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So it's not just me then. :(

There are unfortunately quite a number of areas where functionality has not improved - or worse, regressed - since the N9 (email has no push and still only alerts for the first new email, no native Skype at all, "People" and browser apps are worse, Twitter event feed is limited to 10 tweets and shows no conversation context, I could go on).

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Whatever the current state of Sailfish today, it can only get better. Harmattan - can only get worse.

So I don't worry about it. But I'm a patient man. After all, I waited out a real Linux based phone. As you all are seeing, it took a while :)

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I haven't switched yet as well but that does not mean that I am surprised. I was expecting some of the problem (like the lack of LPM, pebble not working...)
Some were almost surprises like the fact that I cannot get mfe to read my google calendar (probably related to Google preventing it from working properly now)
I am waiting for Gpodder as well as I am a great user of it with N9.
And there is a couple of issues here and there.

But at the end, I still have it opened, I am using it because in some activities, it is way faster than with N9. I am using it because it is cool. And I am looking forward for the coming developments (the phone has been in the market for 3 weeks now) and the community to take its part in the development of nice app around the OS.

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After a day with mine, I'm missing a lot of N9 functionality too. SIP, CalDAV, turn-by-turn navigation, schedules for account syncs so I don't get emails at 4AM etc. And a lot of what is there is limited functionally eg. the 10 tweet limit and no native twitter app.

There's a few apps that have very obscure UIs like the gallery app where holding on the top half of the screen gives you a menu but no indication there is a menu. I quite like UIs that don't hold your hand and have to be 'discovered' but that's taking the biscuit.

Obviously, Jolla have had to rewrite a lot of the closed source apps that came with the N9 and even rewrite some of the open source ones too that used libraries that are obsolete now.

It is 'beta' and that is both a reason as to the reduced functionality and also it's a disappointment that it's not more complete.

I do find it amazing that only 80-ish people have produced it however and it may sound harsh to clamour for updates but yeah, it does need them! I'm sure Jolla are aware of that.

My N9 might have more functionality but it also has serious bugs that Nokia never fixed. I've lost count how many times I've killed the tracker database and emptied the twitter cache to stop the dreaded 'application not responding' popups. It's been great not dealing with that kind of annoyance.

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Assuming i get my phone tomorrow, what is the right order?

-updating first to latest build
-enable developer mode
-install Android compability
-settings and import contacts
-install apps?

Can anyone who has setup the phone give some advice?

Thank you very much...Kiitos etukäteen

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1. People app does not allow to scroll from contact A to contact Z
2. Browser has no landscape and on some pages it is needed to scroll into 4 directions
3. Browser can not load multible pages simultaniously
4. BT does not allow car HF to use contacts
5. There is no offline free of charge navigation solution
6. No zoom in camera app
7. Less storage space and file system issues when using memory card
8. No app to toggle BT or 2g/3g
9. No app to use volume buttons for flashlight
10. Alarm issues
11. Battery indicator / clock and GSM reception quality indicators are not visible on main screens
12. No Skype integration - you have to use Android Skype. And you can not start Skype chat / call from People app.
13. No constancy in menu navigation.
14. In landscape app all navigation swipes remain in portrait mode
15. No Facebook feed
16. etc, etc

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This, i dont agree.
While the N9 was / is a very nice phone I have to say the overall performance of the Jolla Phone is much better !

Jolla OS lacks a lot and the UI is beta and needs many improvements but going back to the N9 is a step down in overall performance.

I will also not use the JollaPhone as my main phone on this SW version... Let's see what Q1'14 brings for the platform. We invested in them so now it's upon them to deliver and upon us to keep on having faith.

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My SIM card is back in my N9, I will keep my Jolla and wait to see what 2014 brings.

I think it is a great testament to what ~80 people can achieve, but I'm not prepared to take the (currently) backwards step in functionality for my daily phone.

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Having watched several operating systems and environments grow up, I have learnt that when a system is first released, the number of bugs is proportional to the square of the number of features ;)

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First of all, delete any contacts from your SIM unless you want that mess to appear in the People app with no way to suppress them.

When it comes to importing contacts, good luck.

Apparently it's possible to sync contacts over Bluetooth from an N9 to Jolla, but this totally failed for me - the N9 said it had worked and finished syncing, but nothing appeared on the Jolla. Not even a notification. Nothing.

I then exported the N9 Contacts to separate files, and merged them together into a single large VCF file (containing all 166 contacts), but when emailing that file to the Jolla and importing it, the Jolla simply said "Contacts imported" (and not "166 or 166 contacts imported") but none were imported. No errors were displayed either.

In the end I created 26 separate combined vcf files, one each for A-Z, and emailed the 26 files to the Jolla - they all imported successfully. So go figure on that one.

I'd have thought importing contacts from an N9 with minimum fuss would have been a priority for Jolla, but obviously not. And it doesn't appear that contacts are being synced anywhere now, so whereas before we had Nokia Contacts for cloud syncing, we don't even have that with Jolla (what's the Jolla account for if not syncing data?)

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I have to disagree. I'm using much more my Jolla than N9. N9 is a fine smartphone but Jolla is much better. There are flaws, missing features and bugs, but at least for me they are not showstoppers.

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Performance is totally different to functionality. I don't mind waiting a few extra seconds to get something done on an N9[50], but there's no point having better performance when the Jolla simply can't do what the N9[50] can do, or does it in a worse way.

I'd genuinely be putting my SIM back in my N950 right now if only I hadn't chopped it up to fit into the Jolla, as I fear putting it back into the N950 with a SIM adapter is only going to bugger up the N950 SIM slot.

I support what Jolla are trying to achieve, I've always supported the Nokia internet tablets since 2005, but it's hard to express how disappointed I am with what Jolla have delivered after all this time - it really is sub-N9 functionality. Yes it's early days, but apart from being directed to a developers mailing list Jolla are engaging far less with their users than even Nokia did with Harmattan (no public Bugzilla, for a start, even though the Noia one was largely pointless).

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I would do it in this order:

• enable developer mode (better chance to fix things if something doesn't go as it should)
• update to latest release
• install Android compatibility
• import contacts
• install apps

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Well, finally I got my Jolla today so thumbs up to all of the Jolla sailors doing their hard shipment work :) I can imagine that some sailors will have nightmares printing and sticking battery warning lables on the shipment boxes.

IMHO this device is more than I ever expected for a first generation Jolla. You can not compare version Sailfish 1.0 BETA with iOS7 or Android 4.x.x.

Maybe just for the fun of it dig some old historical webpages and do read the first reviews of Android 1.0 and the legendary G1 Google phone.

For e.g.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2008/...d-g1-review/3/

or

And now compare this to your Jolla in your hands.


Cheers and happy sailing,
Nek

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I don't think anyone here expects to compare Jolla / SailfishOS with iOS7 / Android 4.x, but unfortunately due to the heritage around here there are and will most probably continue to be comparisons with the Nokia N9.

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Google don't allow new devices to use MfE unless you're a paying customer. Sad but true.

(yours with sympathy, another annoyed ex-MfE user)

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So very true. Another thing not often realised is that even the simplest seeming feature is only 5-10% in implementation, the rest goes to polish & fixing the inevitable problems that weren't first noticed with it.

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If you don't mind sending me the vcard (robin.burchell@jolla.com), I'll create a bug about this internally.

I don't work on the contacts application (anymore, I did for a while) - so I don't know specifics, but I'm fairly sure that N9 was most definitely tested for imports, so it'd be interesting to know what's breaking for you.

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For me it took some time to get used to Jolla, mainly because of it's size and sharp corners. I have no complaints about the performance or the UI, it has evolved since the N9. Regarding features, at the moment N9 beats Jolla hands down. It shouldn't be that big suprise, Sailfish is still very young platform and I have all the confidence that it will evolve and missing features are added rather sooner than later.

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Somebody asked on page one already but i cannot find any reply.

How does RSS implementation work? is it on Notification page?
If not is there a native app already?
Which is the best way to read RSS Feeds on SailfishOS?

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Well, for me it's not possible to connect to my wifi (WPA PEAP). This is a showstopper and not a small glitch or a missing app. (I really don't care if there's navigation, etc. from the beginning or not).

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Sailfish feels like a nice empty shell to me because almost everything I like from the N900, N9 and Symbian is not there or lacking.

But it takes only a quick tour of the OS to see the potential of Sailfish filled with native applications.

I haven't hesitated to support this project by the 100 Euro pre-purchase and to lay my small left over confidence in the mobile phone industry on the line for Jolla.

In return it would pleasure me to hear Jolla acknowledge that part of the undeniable beauty of the N9 (and N900) was the total integration of key communication tools (Skype, SIP, XMPP whatever into the OS and throughout the contacts list) as well as desktop like behavior like unrestricted multitaksing and small things like copy / paste.

I wish that Jolla would confirm this is on the road map and will be working to implement these features step by step.

In about 6 months time we need a beautiful and polished core that we can like straight out of the box.

Then there will be an app for this and an app for that in no time.

And again, good software doesn't need to come for free.

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Hi w00t, I've sent you an email with the combined vcf that I tried (and failed) to import into the Jolla. Many thanks for taking the time look into this. Will be interesting to know what the problem is, as creating multiple files with smaller groups (A-Z) worked without a problem.

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RSS isn't supported by the OS.

There is an RSS app in the Jolla store called "Tidings" which seems to work OK, although it doesn't seem to update the feeds automatically (at least, there's no configurable schedule that the user can set). Needless to say Tidings does not tie into the events feed, it's an entirely separate app. And one of the feeds that used to work on the N9, doesn't work with Tidings.

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I mentioned this same thing several pages ago. I understand if Jolla can't do it for the time being, but I would expect it to happen as formal releases start coming out (read: when we're out of Beta).

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Possible.
Meanwhile I will keep my fingers crossed that indeed they give priority to integrated features little known loved and missed in the outside world but loved by fans of Maemo instead of a perfect Facebook client.

The Jolla browser Html5 benchmark gives me +/- 330 points while the Firefox on virtual Android more than double 700+ points ...

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There is a link feature that will help on this. Just link the duplicates.

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Oh, I had a long history with car BT problems (Renault here), both with my N900 and my N9.

Initially, the N900 had the following problems:

• No phonebook or call list access at all (missing PBAP)
• Once connected, I could change songs in the music player only if the player was opened, and sometimes not even that (AVRCP was bugging)
• Turning off the infotainment system would not stop the song on the N900 so I had to do it manually which was mighty annoying
• It would never show up on the display what song was playing, nor the playlist - it would just say 'Audio track'

Then I manually updated the OBEX stack which fixed a lot of things, namely problems with address book access by giving a proper PBAP support (tho the call lists were mangled) and AVRCP profile that came with it was issuing pause/stop signal to the player...

Then I got my N9 and its AVCRP was fine (except that it still sometimes failed to start the song and sometimes controls would just stop responding) but even tho it had PBAP, I couldn't access neither the address book nor call lists. And unlike with the N900, there wasn't an easy fix...

Then my car radio died, when I replaced it the N9 continued to work fine with PBAP - both address books, call lists and everything in-between. AVCRP problems still persisted but they are not mighty annoying.

Thus, given my experience, once I get my Jolla I'm well prepared for the problems :D Unlike with the N9, with Jolla it should at least be far easier to fix/update the BT profiles by ourselves and that's the first thing I'll do if the need arises. :)

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i am very happy jolla did not choose higher res than it is. text is already to damn small in the browser! I really hope they licence a better font in the future. also this site get even worse on jollaphone hower I have already stated TMO is not mobile user friendly... its actually PITA to post on TMO using any phone.

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Indeed, not there from the start.
For the moment I'm using Feedly (Android) to go through my feeds.
A good client / integration is needed.

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Hi All! Received my Jolla today. Looking very good. Nice work. A lot has to be done, but that was expected.

I am looking forward to the updates (importing contacts (dav) seems te be impossible atm :(. For me at least. ).

Quick question: do you use android whatsapp? Or an other client? What works best? I'd like to go native :D.

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overall:


* twitterfeed needs alot improve, delete twitt, why only ten tweets? :S

* browser textbox is non touchfriendly edit is PITA (yes, it really is, I did write this post on Jolla phone first but gave up)

* Browser need landscape But I take for granted jolla already prioritize this q1 2014 ;)

* if an entry is active and try mark text or move cursor in a silicaapp I often move hand and accidently "enable" pulleymenu. i recomend jolla to disable pulleymenuy when text entry us in "move cursor mode"

* cursor keys in maalit would be good as a complement to above situations...

Over all great work fully respect what done so far lets hope you take our feedback as serious :)

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Definitely down to google. As a paying customer my google calendar synced first time and has been up to date ever since

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The native Tidings app looks nice but it's limited in functionality. You can't import your own ompl file. I've switched to Android rss apps like Press, Flipboard and Pulse for the time being. Press is my preferred one because I could sync all my old Google Reader feeds over to it from Feedly.

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Probably stick to AtomaRSS then and just import settings.

Thanks alot anyway...

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What, all 150+? I don't think so.

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That was also something I absolutely loved on N9 and N900. Now I have to do with Android-version of Skype, but as far as I know, many of those communication tools in N9 were built on top of one framework to integrate them to unified user experience. Sailfish already has XMPP, but does it have Harmattan-style framework in place already? If it does, it shouldn't be too difficult job to develop many of those tools from Harmattan-versions.

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Stop whining! This nonsense mobile version thing was invented for incapable devices so don't blame the site if the browser you are using is a POS... I use TMO daily on Firefox for Android with UA expressly set to desktop and it works well so stop spreading untruths of it being a PITA.

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I only had 15 duplicates. It didn't take that long to link them.

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Any whatsapp users here? :)