Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

I was the first person ever receive the tablet in it's prototype form and get the UI up. I don't accept your premise. :)

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Where is the tablet for the rest of us? Please share some cool stuff you have tried. Split screen?

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Whooooooooooosh

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

I would be more annoyed if I do not get updates for the tablet, although I am still waiting for it first!

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

It just wasn't that good of an attempt. But thanks for trying!

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Don't blame me, I'm just a start-up :p

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Open up your sources or zogg will be all over your as$

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Split screen?http://previews.123rf.com/images/tan...tock-Photo.jpg

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Oh wow! I'm back on board if it comes with a stylus!

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

You can laugh at me as much as you want if you feel better about yourself. Meanwhile I'll keep repeating "I told you so" and laugh at all those who keep falling down and being fooled again and again :P

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Thanks for the hard work you and other sailors have done. It would be nice if you could write a piece what you have learned from the tablet project and what you would have now done differently.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

I was told Mosconi left company too. But as it happens with Jolla it happened silently.

For that i would be called troll too?

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

brilliant, is there any co-founder left?

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

They know something most of their users do not want to see.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Dunno. It's so blindingly obvious, even you'd think to the die-hard cheerleaders.

Game's nearly over.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Is there anyone left at Jolla?

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Didn't Mosconi leave something like 4 months ago? Or shareholders kicked him out?

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

I thought this was old news as well...

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Well, he and other people leave the company every day. On their way home after work.
Maybe the cleaning lady saw him walk home and told you about this? :)

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Switching brutal honesty on; cause I know this place can take it :).

[BRUTAL+COMPANYECONOMY:ON]
People with $$$ invested into jolla, expecting $$$$ back.
jolla team tried to deliver, delivered, against all odds (due to hardcore challenges; loosing the platform is NOT a small thing!); but unfortunately, $$$$ did not come, $ came. Reasons for this are various (in my personal opinion, choosing the iPhone-way of early-than-expected-release over all, and making the incredible mistake to OVERHYPE the whole thing, wrongly believing in the delusion of it somehow magically live up to the generated expectations..).

They managed to pull MORE cash, with the incredible tablet. This gave birth to some good (probably unexpected) feedback as we know (it collected prizes even before it was finalized). But now, all that cash got fueled in to that (amazing) tablet development; and there is none left for the company jolla in order to survive (the cash from the TOH did not come, remember?). But what are the chances to get more cash? With one product (the OTH) which was overhyped and (hence) forsaked expectations; with one product in the stage of uncomplete DEVELOPMENT (I've heard from various people these types of delays are very normal with new product development), and which might bring up alot of surpises before the phase will be completed; with same people running the business responsible for the current situation?


Put yourself in the situation of the guys with the $$$$. You already invested into jolla; you might even see potential in it (at least one chance with the tablet that might be worth exploring, plus SF getting into a usable shape, which opens up more opportunities like Intex); but you do not want to throw more money down the drain for free, you want to be 100% sure THIS time jolla will deliver.
You need jolla to deliver.

What would Jolla do to get to the cash? They cannot undo the OTH without injecting in more cash; plus, they need to keep SF2.0 developing; and they dont want to stop developing the tablet, or theyll write off what good has come from that (its one good opportunity, after all)

Which act would you expect from the company in order to fuel the change that will assure the next product (=tablet) to succeed (=the company to get more cash from you)?

Im afraid the answer to this question is easy. And not good for the people @ jolla :/

This is the startup life. You live until you make sense (=profit in this case); or you live off of someone else's sense (=investor cash in this case). If the product you are working on does not fly, nor does make sense (for users in this case), you will not go over the first round of investment. If the product you are working on does not fly, but makes sense , you will be taken for responsible, and the product will be taken from you and given to someone who will get a shot. The hard way of the jungle, jimbo.

It's useless to hide it from ourselves, let's face it. Jolla as it used to be is *no more*. It's gone. Done. Finished. Finita. Basta. Zip. The End.
And now that that is done, let's move on, for God's sake!

[BRUTAL+COMPANYECONOMY:OFF]

As much as I hate to mention it; back in Narikkatori 2013, I had the chance to be part (even if just as a basic user) of the coolest project ever. I was part of that hype, it was easy at the time! It was in-y00r-face-mr-eflop. And things did not turn out well. Important is, products survive, if they make sense. sailfishos as a product makes sense. That's why I believe it will survive. Faces might change, but products stay (if they survive)!

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Why does every Linux tablet fail?

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Same reason why "Year of the Linux Desktop" has yet to happen... I blame the users.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

That's yet to be seen if it has failed or not, remember, it has not been delivered / been available yet ;)

Seeing it getting awards even before it got released, if jolla does not f*ck it up this time, we might be in for a show*crosses fingers*

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Not just tablets. Any consumer product. With the exception of embedded products where Linux is well hidden from view (Android falls into that category).

I also sometimes wonder about that. I do not pretend to have the answer but I have a few ideas. Mayme it's a combination of factors, maybe something completely different.

Here are my 2c:

• Fragmentation. There is one Windows, one Mac OS, one iOS, one Android... you get the idea. They all have version variants but they are still one entity. OTOH, there is no such thing as Linux, when you think about it. There are at least 20 of them, usually mutually incompatible. That is not a good start.
• Lack of support. I know, I know. You are going to burn me alive for saying that. Community support and all that jazz. But that is exactly the problem. Community support is getting better but until recently, the answer to everything was, "recompile the kernel". Which brings me to...
• No single entity to turn to and no liability. When you have a problem with your Mac, you go to Apple. When you have a problem with your Linux tablet, you go to... err... where? The community mentioned above?
• Lack of consumer oriented applications. There are a lot of great applications for Linux. All of them written by geeks for geeks. All kinds of servers, for example. Or utilities. But no groupware. No good video editor. (There are about 10. I tried them all and they all suck.) Heck, there is not even a good IDE for programming in C. You are expected to use VI, like we are stuck in 1970s. There is an Office suite but it is light years behind MS Office and is fragmented (see point 1).
• No marketing. With no one to make money on it, no one is going to try very hard to sell it. Which means no hype. It may be fantastic but it will not sell itself.

There are other issues too but even the short list above is enough to conclude what I think the real problem is. For a product to become successful, it has to be, well, a product. A product has someone standing behind it. Someone making it for profit. Linux is not a product. So trying to sell a Linux tablet will inevitably fail.

The solution? Do not sell a Linux tablet. Sell a tablet. In the worst case, sell a Linux tablet. Do not put the emphasis on the OS. Make it so that the OS does not matter. Focus on the user, not the boring technical stuff.

I always cheer up when I see a new Linux-based consumer product. 5-8 years ago it was netbooks. Today we still have Chromebooks. And the approach was/is about right. Do not try to impress the user telling him it runs Linux. It Does Not Matter. Sell it as a device that can do X, Y and Z.

Does Jolla's tablet fill me with the same level of excitement? Yes and no. Yes, it is yet another attempt at a Linux based consumer product. No because there is too much emphasis on the "Linux" part. Which is kind of hard to avoid when the company's main focus is the OS. Does it have a chance? No. Not the Jolla tablet. Once the IGG units are all delivered, that's it. No more Jolla tablets. But there may be a future for Sailfish. It has a potential. It just has to be picked up by someone who is willing to embed it into their product and sell that product. Two years ago I thought the Jolla phone was such a product. It flopped because there was too much emphasis on the Sailfish part and not enough on the phone part. Sailfish may have a chance if Jolla finds a partner who will reverse that. And then stand well back and not try to get in the way.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Sometimes to resolve the problem you need to acknowledge it. Blame everything and everyone around except yourself is nice way for excuses.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

I believe the mindset is somehow skewed. People see linux as an arrival, a goal; but in reality, its a kernel; a tool to build upon.

real_end_user_product=linux + something

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

That is a valid one, although I deny and utterly refuse to believe it to be the only one ;)

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Thank you. You summarized in a few words what took me a whole page.
People, ignore my post. ^This is much better.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

The "something"-part is usually the one which seems to alienate hc-linux fans. As it's not necessary FOSS and that seems to be an ideological obstacle of colossal magnitude.

As far as shareholders are concerned, I find it hard to believe they really expected Jolla to be profitable in 2015 as it takes either long time or huge pile of cash to implement all required feats and it takes even longer time to break through to markets even with polished products. Back in days Android devices were usually cheaper, not so polished or premium and not high quality products but in time it became to dominate (mainly because iOS is Apple only and Symbian was...well, Symbian). Majority of manufacturers create huge losses on Android based devices though...

[speculation]However, it may be that there has been a collision with ideology and major shareholders on whenever Sailfish OS should be FOSS. Which would be a sensible reason for certain people to leave, if the idea of openness and whatever-nice-sounding-but-not-necessarily-profitabe-stuff doesn't meet the demands of shareholders. Another explanation may be that they simple grew tired on startup, living in uncertanity and stress from one round of funding to another. I know I wouldn't do it if I didn't have my finances secured so that it wouldn't matter if I was unemployed or not... What is certain is that things have progressed slower than Jolla has anticipated and failure with the Tablet is especially bad, so they need to change in order to survive (and I'm not speaking about openness-stuf...)[/speculation]

Was I negative enough this time? :)

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

News from this morning...

http://www.aamulehti.fi/Kotimaa/1195...mautetaan.html

Half of staff will be on forced leave (temporary halt in jobs and salaries as an alternative to layoffs) because of financial troubles. Doesn't look good.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

and i just ordered phone...

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

More details... they have been doing another round of additional financing which should have been completed this month, but for some reason it has been delayed. Which in capital intensive startup means that liquidity is very thin.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

"According to Lassila, the delivery of Jolla tablet devices to customers is aimed to be secured, despite the difficulties. The company's key personnel will not be laid off according to him." from Aamulehti

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Hoooraay we get to suffer on!:D:D

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

There was absolutely nothing negative in your post.

Where is ZogG when you need him? :)

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Google Translate....so pinch of salt required...



The operating system developer IT company to establish a broad layoffs Yle news broadcast. Late in the tablet's fate is uncertain.

It Jolla company will lay off more than half of its personnel, says Aamulehti. The reason for the financial difficulties. Jolla is according to the magazine worked with over a hundred employees.

Jolla Communications Director Juhani Lassila confirms layoffs Yle news broadcast. Developed by the company's tablet is the delivery schedule of late, and Lassila unable confident to promise its coming.

- It is an aim, otherwise I can not say at the moment. Financial means meant to find.

Economic difficulties Jolla related financing round, which was supposed to expire in November. Financing round is now Communications Director Lassila according delayed.

Having to develop their own mobile devices Sailfish OS. In this and other small järjestelmäkehittäjillä a total of modest slice of 0.3 percent of market. Lion's shares are Google's Android and Apple's iOSilla. Communications Director feels that in business space is available.

- It is a challenging, but interesting position. Consumers are interested in the options.

High expectations Jolla on to India, where the largest smart phone manufacturer to take in new cell phones Sailfish system.

Tiina lankinen
Yle

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

This turn of events could do with its own thread.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

So I log in for my daily dose of tomfoolery here and find this news.

One year after the campaign launches no less.

I guess it is time to face reality that we may truly never see delivery of more tablets.

I don't know about anyone else, I am considering this closed. I need closure.

If, for some reason, Antti Saarnio's statement from Slush (albeit still ambiguous) is correct and one day a tablet arrives, it will be a happy surprise and an outdated tablet.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

It looks like they are also late in paying some of their bills according to that.