Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

You should read once again. Both sims worked. So I, too, have no idea what Heik meant.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Both sims work with the SD physically in the tray, but with the SD connected (no tape) the second sim gets disabled. Thus the problem seems to be in software... Awaiting dmesg output to confirm.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

https://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...d-one-t3475651

Android people seem to suffer from the same problem so I don't think it ever worked under Android and we are facing another Sony trick to cripple functionality for people that are too adventurous.

This next to the DRM keys that make sure original functionality can never be restored after re-flashing a once unlocked boot loader if you are not careful and make a backup of said keys etc...

The nail that sticks out must be hammered down! :D


I would try to cover SD card pins pin by pin and see when I loose the SD and get the 2nd SIM card back.
But that could lead to non-desired results I guess

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

isn't that the case with all phones with hybrid tray these days?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

My first question was 'does it work in android', as the conversation continued I assumed that was a yes.

Still will be interested to see if the sim gets 'seen', if not it's hardware - anyone willing take one apart and look for joined traces?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

You mean, pick any 2 of the 3?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

The one who invented the alternative SIM/SDcard slot should be fustigated.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

yes. I know that in the early days of hybrid trays that trick did worked but lately it doesn't even on some cheap chinese phones. And all higher end phones are marketed as either dual SIM or single SIM+ SD card.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

the comment from the link you posted says it works on X dual.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Does ist make sense (is it possible) to lock the bootloader again after flashing to get rid of the annoying message at startup?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

As far as I know, this is not possible. Well, technically it is possible but it will prevent your phone from booting since SFOS don't have a kernel signed by Sony. There's a thread over at TJC about that where someone mentioned that, so let's hope Jolla comes up with a solution.

Being able to relock the bootloader would also be great from a security point of view.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

No, in the Galaxy S7 you can just glue SD-card and slimmed down SIM card back to back and off you go: dual SIM and 256GB.

Resulting in pretty high end phone specs deserving of Salifish if it wasn t for the stupid glass back.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Do jolla have any plans to release updates at some point? is the sail x release completely different from the jPhone 1 build when it comes to release circles .

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

It is not supposed to recognize sdcard when sdcard contacts are covered.
I wanted to test if phone recognizes 2nd SIM card when contacts are covered, and so the phone does. However, it does not recognize the 2nd SIM card when sd card contacts are not covered, and that covering is the only difference.
With that test I proofed, that there is no problem with the contacts of 2nd SIM card, as the physical structure is the same in both cases (except the piece of tape).

The question is, what is the reason that phone does not reconize 2nd SIM card when sdcard is connected?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I was horrified at the ominous warning screen that was thrown at me in the startup when the bootloader is unlocked!
In all other android devices I have seen (not many though) there is just a very small-font discreet mentioning of an unlocked bootloader in the upper or lower corner of the device screen...

Shame on you Sony for making it so ugly!
Just like the openmode-warning on N9 was. Plain user harassment IMHO.

I wonder if there is possibility for a similar fix to it like we had in N9, where it was enough to remember to remove the warning before booting an unsigned kernel...?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Here are the files in a zip file.
-dmesg_sdcardok.txt, no tape
-dmesg_sdcardtape.txt, with tape

Was easy to compare in Windows with Notepad++

I will check the android behavior, as I am not sure if I did that looong ago already.

I will be back...

EDIT:
Now it is checked, behavior in Android is similar as in SailfishX:
-no 2nd SIM detected if sdcard is connected
-both SIMs work, if sdcard contacts are taped

:-(

Now back to Sailfish X, takes some time to setup, since not too much knowledge to have made backup... well, in one hour all is ok again.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Xperia X is the new community phone so not only I expect it to be updated, but to be updated first.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Or, alternatively, WELL DONE SONY for making your security warnings plainly obvious even to people who never read the splashscreens!

The fact that in this particular case it is a nonsense is entirely secondary :)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Ì think its a ugly message but it should be obvious I think. since the phone is not secure if you are planning to sell it.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Exactly the same behaviour confirmed in testing here.

2 SIMs and one μSD card were destroyed in the testing process.

OnePlus X would work this way though, 2(SIM) + μSD all functioning properly in Sailfish. That project however has not received the 2.1.1.x update though and it is unknown if kimmoli will return to it.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Duh....
Never mind : seems that the community is planning a new kernel spin.
With some chance that guy will use the slightly newer kernel, same as Android and the card will work.

Stumbling in the darkness, double tap on the screen, that's it.

(Not everyone uses a dark-themed ambiance ;-D )

...but to my knowledge, all known instance of Sailfish OS use systemd.
There's no Devuan-based Sailfish OS clone, as far as I know.

Or a PCB traces problem ?

- e.g.: not enough power provided on the +V rail that is shared by the SD and SIM2 ?

(the solution would be to try to find a way to feed both electrically, or use some less power-hungry SD + SIM just to test if it works)

- e.g.: shared data lines between SIM and SD. If the chipset sees an SD card, it starts talking in "MMC" over the data lines and the SIM can't speak on the same bus ?

(In the later case, the solution would be even more complicated, like using a dual SIM adapter to connect both SIMs to slot 1, and have the slot2 only used by SD).

For the record, FlashTool - the tools used to flash firmware version, that contains XperiFirm (so you can downgrade to Android 6.0.1 Mashmallow, or upgrade to the latest 34.3.A.0.228 or .38 Android 7.1.1 Mashmallow as required by Sailfish OS X), also contains backupTA.sh - which will be able to recover the DRM keys out of a downgraded Xperia.

Advanced -> Trim Area -> RAW -> backup


Flashing the above TA backup, and flashing a Sony firmware will re-lock the boot loader, remove the screen, re-enable DRM and basically put the phone back in condition as it was purchased.

This should make it sellable or sendable back to warranty.

Post processing cannot bring back data that is lost : yes.

BUT.

Post-processing can cheat a lot to make pictures *appearing* more sharp. ( which is more likely )

Post-processing can process the raw sensor data differently than how the RGB data is obtained (I don't know if Sony's official app uses RGB or Raw data).

And indeed as you mentioned : the Contrast detection autofocus implemented in the Sony official app could simply be better than the implementation used by Sailfish X / or in the camera driver / firmware (depending on how focus is implemented in Sailfish's camera app)

I think Apple started the whole "Phone needs to be thin, and thus use weird contraption for their SIM" trend.

Common, if manufacturers didn't try to make phone so thin you could cut cheese with them, we could still have normally-sized SIMs and 3mm audio jacks, and all the current bells and whistles.

And it's stupid anyway, because nearly all users will stick the phone on a protective hard back-cover anyway (I think I'm one of the rare users that rely on a hard holster instead)

(And for the record, the only novelty in the "it's the excuse why the jack had to go" taptic engine is the linear motor.
High precision vibration control that can imitate diverse textures was already done in the Logitech iFeel series of mice, only their motor wasn't linear).

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

No, it doesn't work under Android, and it is by design :
https://support.sonymobile.com/globa...7f29f23007a61/

Hope it help ...

Envoyé de mon F5122 en utilisant Tapatalk

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I am at a complete loss, could someone point me in the right direction please. I have enabled oem, usb debugging, my bootloader can be unlocked and I am running 34.3.A.0.238, yet when I use EMMA it says phone locked. Where have I gone wrong please. Thank you

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

You have to go to Sony developer site, and follow the instructions to unlock

Enviado desde mi Xperia X corriendo Sailfish OS

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

You haven't mentioned how you actioned inputting code requested from Sony:https://developer.sonymobile.com/unl...urboot-loader/

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

dont use emma. use fastboot in the jolla files. make sure you have the driver from earlier step.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Ok I misunderstood about unlocking the bootloader, this has to be unlocked via the sony website is that correct? and how much of ths android sdk do I need to download. Thank you

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

After reading this info :
- they totally failed to understand that the current kernel doesn't even detect the presence of an SD card.
It has nothing to do with the format of the partition, it doesn't even reach the point where the partition content matters.
This info isn't relevant (yet) to your case.

But, well, as said above : community members are trying to build a new kernel. If that solves your problem, it's something that will be much easier for Jolla to integrate into the next update of Sailfish X

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Don't waste your time as advice on site out of date. You need to do a bit of searching on TMO, but will try and find it and amend post.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Exactly. You have reached the point where the bootloader can be unlocked.
Now you need to actually unlock.
(Warning: actually unlocking it will fry the DRM keys. Have you backed these up before ? *)

On the website you need to register your e-mail (or a single use e-mail)
Then give the IMEI of your Xperia X
then it will give you the code to unlock the phone.

It will look something like 'fastboot oem unlock 0x<key>' where the key is a long hexadecimal string specific to your phone.

Only the 'fastboot' executable.
If you've reached that point, you should normally already have it installed.
(There is a Windows copy packed inside Jolla's Sailfish X installer).

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* - the most user-friendly and cross-platform is to use http://www.flashtool.net/ :

- downgrade the firmware to Android 6.0.1 Mashmallow (34.0.A... firmwares)
- activate again developers mode, debug mode, untrusted sources
- menu File -> turn on "Advanced mode".
- menu Advanced -> TrimArea -> Raw -> Backup (this gives a .fta file)
- this gives you a "registeredDevices_<serialnumber>_rawta_<date>.fta" file, keep it preciously
- upgrade the firmware to Android 7.1.1 Nougat (34.3.A.0.228 or 238).
- now you can safely unlock your phone ("fastboot oem unlock 0x<key>")

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Hence this question :)

It's probably a multi layer PCB so nothing to see, but you never know!


Had a look at the dmesg logs, lots of error looking things but can't isolate anything that looks like a working second sim. I give up for today.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I took at a look at the SIM carriage for F5122, and it appears there are only 17 pins total on the package. 9 on one side, 8 on another.

SIMs are 6 pins, SD cards are 8, so that's a total of 20 pins. Looks to me like one of the SIM sockets physically share pins with the SD socket.

Of course, I could be wrong. This is just based on a cursory inspection of the repair part.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I'm having this exact problem.

I think it;s because I'm using Windows 8(.1) & it has issues with unsigned drivers - the Fastboot "extra" driver

Any suggestion or help would be much appreciated


Edit: New post above with more information / new questions

I have no intention of downgrading to Marshmallow

I've bought an Xperia X purely for SailfishOS & have no intention of selling it (I've still got my N900 & two N9's)

I can't find a fastboot.exe anywhere...

What have I missed?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

you have to go to the folder where you have unzipped the sailfish image package. There is the fastboot.exe and the flashing script.

For unlocking the bootloader you have to go to https://developer.sonymobile.com/unl...urboot-loader/
there you will get a code which is necessary to unlock your phone. Just follow the instructions step by step...

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

There is a fastboot.exe in the sailfish X zip that you download from Jolla. I used that. Read it somewhere on TJC but can't find the link now.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

The step I haven't undertaken is the (buying &) downloading the sailfish zip

I was trying to unlock the bootloader first.

I'll reply again after this step :)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Sounds like a great idea but the tray looks to be plastic and I see no pins so I guess you're looking at the PCB (or I've found a generic pic not the actual one)? Shared GND would make sense by that's only two pins saved... Wherever these contacts are someone can continuity test between them and see what's connected to what.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

That info is actually relevant. It clearly states, that Jolla / SFOS only supports SDHC cards up to 32 GB, but almaviva tries to use a 128 GB (probably SDXC) card. I always thought that the official limitation to 32 GB was because Jolla wants to mitigate to Microsoft for the exFAT licences (which you are obliged to do for cards >32 GB), but maybe there is more to it? Missing support for specific card types (a seems to be what we have found out here) could be an additional thing..

I'll try to ask about the sdcard issues in the upcoming community meeting today, if there is a chance for it.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Now I get :
on the Jolla payment page - after getting to: https://shop.jolla.com/payment/purchase/

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Now, after finally getting windows to run an unsigned driver I get the error message (from the command line, to enter the unlock code):

FAILED (remote: Command did not succeed)
Finished. total time: 0.052s


What am I still missing?