Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 

Because of this feature I preferred a prototype with only 4GB instead of the special 8GB final version we were given to celebrate the launch.

Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 

Well I wasn't suggesting that the battery drain problem was a hardware issue. It is obviously bad software. I doubt it is just my router because tons of other people have the same problem.

Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 

Well, tons of people have routers that cause problems, so what's that got to do with it?

Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 

What is not obvious is who is shipping the bad piece of software.

Isn't this easy to try? Before going to sleep turn off your router (and/or put your device in offline mode) and see what happens in the morning.

If you device still has a battery drained in the morning, then reflash, don't install anything and repeat the test.

Because tons of other people have routers with defective software and install third party software that, no matter how cool, haven't gone through a solid performance and quality criteria. And I'm not pointing specifically Tear or any project mentioned here.

But I really doubt a fresh and stock Maemo 4.1 will drain your battery without interacting with a defective router.

Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 

At least when left alone in idle.
I don't want to point fingers either, but if there is a piece of sw we ship that I wouldn't trust to let running all the time, it is the built in email client.

We do only this much of testing and in the wild there can be some funky setup which will trigger execution paths we never dreamt of.

I would have rather preferred a setup where we would have been using a local MTA like postfix and a web based MUA like sqirrelmail.

Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 

… also, many of these battery drain issues probably could be solved with a new battery. I myself was furious about the bad power management: 12-24 hours maximum in offline mode was just disappointing. Got a new battery, now everything's perfect.

Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 

I doubt it would be a good solution (though I'm running an imap server on a linkstation pro, that's an arm less powerful than the one on the tablet).
Claws works fine on the tablet.

Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 

If the tablets just had a standby mode like Palm/WinMo devices then none of this would even be an issue. There is no reason to keep the devices running 24/7 since they don't receive phone calls, and turning it off and on again just takes too long.

I will be testing it out though, seeing if there is any drain in offline mode. It might also just be that hte battery was damaged since I often charge it from USB.

Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 

Unless you use VoIP, IM, and/or want email notifications. Not receiving calls through a cellular network is not the same thing as not having communications channels that should be kept up. And while such a standby mode (or softpoweroff...) might band-aid the problem for some users, the real issue is with the routers, and it'll continue to plague people who do want their device always live.

For those who can afford a data SIM, the solution is coming in the RX-51 -- ditch the router, and just use HSPA. (What that does to idle-but-connected battery life remains to be seen, of course...) I'm already doing this with my N810 -- I leave it tethered to my phone instead of hopping on the WiFi at home (even though my router's fine), but I charge my phone (and tablets) every night.

Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 

They have a standby mode, but Nokia has botched softpoweroff since before the Diablo release, and fixes will be "fixed in Fremantle", i.e.: "never for you".

Also, the ARM processor in the tablets is quite capable of scaling back power consumption automagically.