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SD69 2012-10-20 14:46
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1282971)
There has to be a reason why their so secretive at the moment, i guess they really want to surprise everyone at slush next month
Jolla has had a few conference calls with Hildon Foundation. The Board elections unfortunately held things up on our end. They are willing to share information with us on a confidential basis prior to the Slush event.

Dave999 2012-10-20 14:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1282982)
Jolla has had a few conference calls with Hildon Foundation. The Board elections unfortunately held things up on our end. They are willing to share information with us on a confidential basis prior to the Slush event.
Excellent news. That's how jolla should roll.

jalyst 2012-10-20 17:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1282274)
Finnish people here, please go to http://www.tosielamandiili.fi/ and give your vote for Jolla as the best startup at Slush 2012.
Winning startup gets free television ad campaign on MTV3.
EDIT: Actually, for non-finnish speakers: go to link above and scroll down to Jolla logo. Look underneath it for a button that says "Tykkää". Hit that. Thank you.
Done... Go Jolla! :D
SuperCell's a close rival by the looks, but other than that they're well out in front...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkumaru (Post 1282500)
Apparently, the phone is coming out in December.
No it's not, they've never said anything of the sort, they've only said they'll reveal much more about the device in Dec, including availability & pricing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dannejanne (Post 1282506)
I don't think they aim to "sell well" in the sense that it will be a "hit".
I believe they are aware that their customer base is probably relatively small and will make "exclusive" devices instead.
Think Ferrari. Less quantity better quality. To a higher price of course. I would have no problem with this as long as it's a quality device.
Now that Anssi Vanjoki has been appointed Chairman of Vertu's BoD, I'm hoping they're looking a little more closely at Jolla nowadays.
All the popular speculation is that it'll use Android & I'm sure it will, but there's room in the portfolio for at least one Jolla or Sailfish based phone ;)

Jesus this thread's been full of so much crap over the past week, sheer epic amounts of crap, amazing.
I did see some new interesting Qns/ideas/concerns arise, remember to continue to adding them here folks.
Like I said a while back I'll chase-up Jolla again soon, they were looking into what exactly they can answer (if anything), & the remainder in stages.

Dave999 2012-10-20 18:44
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It's not the crap that is the problem but the total lack of facts. I read the whole thread its about 14 links related to jolla. Most of the info is videos with Jussi don't provide any facts about jolla, device or sailfish. if that means 1875 post is crap.

Now let's say we removed this 1875 posts. Would that help us?

Would we now more, equal or less?

I say we know more thanks to all the posts.

Bundyo 2012-10-20 19:18
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Hmm, aren't some 1500 of these posts yours? :)

Dave999 2012-10-20 20:39
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Yes, I try my best to give you opertunity for some easy thanks. At least you made a funny comment, in regards to other not so fun. I'm a really strong level 1 player.

There are five stages in a release.

Level 1. Anticipation. In this stage the thread can containing closely related or not so closely related. Off topics can be used the make it more fun. All users posting are trolls, since it's really no facts available, all share their view of the world. Nothing is wrong, nothing is right.

Level 2 . Announcment. Pictures and videos are available. Different facts and specs are available. The thread usually gets lots associations to previous phones and the good, the bad and the ugly. Lots of people crying trolls in the anticipation phase are now become the new trolls of the erea.

Level 3. Shipping. The thread goes totally crazy!

Level 4. User stories. The device have now hit the markets and the main thread is no longer valid. Users running around like crazy trying to create more threads than posts. The most used comment in this level is MERGE!
It's this doesn't work, what's good, what's bad, why can't I, it's the best and in the middle of this mess is usually jalyst trying to organize it. He doing a fine job in this level.

Level 5. All over again. It could be a new device or it could be a firmware update ala PR. Starting at level 1 again.

mikecomputing 2012-10-20 21:35
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Vertu choosing android? I think its WAY more likely for them to choose jollaos.... To differentiate..... Also it may be them who pay jolla atm...

it may very will end that jolla actually IS vertu...

MINKIN2 2012-10-20 22:35
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1283150)
Vertu choosing android? I think its WAY more likely for them to choose jollaos.... To differentiate..... Also it may be them who pay jolla atm...

it may very will end that jolla actually IS vertu...
Yeah, lol... I it could appear as though the Acorns are not being allowed to fall too far away from the tree?

jalyst 2012-10-21 06:55
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1283137)
Yes, I try my best to give you opertunity for some easy thanks. At least you made a funny comment, in regards to other not so fun. I'm a really strong level 1 player.
There are five stages in a release. <SNIP>
Cool story bro ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1283150)
Vertu choosing android? I think its WAY more likely for them to choose jollaos.... To differentiate..... Also it may be them who pay jolla atm...

it may very will end that jolla actually IS vertu...
Well all the industry spec is that he's going for Android, can't recall whether he's specifically said anything like that himself, think he may of at least once already.*
But hopefully Sailfish is at least being looked at closely now, & I hope it becomes a important part of the portfolio, if not the primary part...

*hence all the "pee in your pants" jokes, something he once famously said about Android.

Dave999 2012-10-21 07:07
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Sailfish is not complete"if a os ever be". This is the first release of many, and to bring in a beta OS as your primary OS, it's a gamble very few companies can do.

Akkumaru 2012-10-21 07:10
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
@jalyst Well, the phone will be released before end of 2012, and they also tweeted about the phone details will be in December, so I'm guessing it will be.

jalyst 2012-10-21 07:17
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1283260)
Sailfish is not complete"if a os ever be". This is the first release of many, and to bring in a beta OS as your primary OS, it's a gamble very few companies can do.
Agreed, I doubt they'd bet entirely on it, it MAY become part of their portfolio, hopefully.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkumaru (Post 1283262)
@jalyst Well, the phone will be released before end of 2012, and they also tweeted about the phone details will be in December, so I'm guessing it will be.

They've only ever said they'll reveal more details in Dec, they've NEVER said it'll be on shelves this year.
It might, but it's extremely unlikely, Q1-Q3 of 2013 is far more probable, & reasonable...

Dave999 2012-10-21 07:34
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
This.

What has jolla communicated, to whom. The message isn't clear. This is the problem when using tiwtter. You only gets part of the messages and blogs and posts on forum spreading the word but you dont now whats offical press releases and whats twister in blogs and posts.You don't see what jolla offical saying.

Instead create a basic website and present the press release there. It's official and no one can miss it. why spreading the information all over the place(read internet) when you place it front and center. (This is what you trying to do here all the time, Mr Jalyst, and its great ;) )

The message is there. But is it clear enough for the user/reader to paint the picture?

Stskeeps 2012-10-21 08:44
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Let's discuss the question sets a bit.

I'm not talking on behalf of Jolla here - this is my own private opinion, but a couple of hints of advice in general when you're doing question sets to any companies:

1) Don't have the questions set morph and change constantly. Make a final version of the questions, send that by e-mail or other form that isn't a live document.

A live document is very time consuming to answer and sometimes problematic as you never know if the original questions will be modified, or you'll be accused of not answering everything when you have tried to answer the set of questions you had at the time.

2) Identify one person which is the person that contacts the company with the questions - if there's multiple people pushing it gets unclear who is actually supposed to receive the answers.

- I vote this is jalyst.

3) As with any person that's getting interviewed, pressuring or being rude will often cause the opposite effect than wanted and ruining the whole thing for everybody involved.

4) EULAs/terms of conditions of the places the live documents are can sometimes matter a lot in terms of having anybody from companies participating in it in their roles as employees.

5) Moderation is always good - go through questions, set up realistic expectations for those being answered - discuss if it's even appropriate to ask some of them. Make sure questions are specific, not extremely broad.

- Make a tmo thread for discussing the questions together. There was an attempt in the live document but that's not a very good discussion forum.

6) Be aware there's many things that a company delivering a product simply can't answer as if some of these may not come to fruition in that specific form it's being answered, no matter how much it's tried, it may be constituted as false marketing towards a consumer and it's a very thin line to walk

7) Be aware that there's questions that may make sense to discuss with a community but when seen in context of for example lawsuits (patent policy, IPR licensing, discussion as examples) it's pure gold for the opponents.

8) Respect that some employees cannot talk about their past or knowledge of other companies' projects.

Hence, my advice is:

* Walk through the questions, perhaps deeper specify them a bit, moderate a bit what's realistic to really ask.

* One person (moderator) make a final version of the question set, PDF them up, send them by e-mail to press@jollamobile.com or the likes so there's one contact point to the questions. Somebody like EIPI has done really good work in the past as well, interviewing individual community members.

* Respect that there will be no answer on some issues simply because conditions tie a company to not being able to answer these. Not answering does not mean community unfriendly, but making sure that it's possible to continue a business that actually cares about community.

* There will be times when some questions can be answered now, some later, some in the future when it's more clear what the idea is. Sometimes finding answers need exploring together with a community on what can be done together.

and in the end.. there's really an honest attempt at building proper community - but as with any definition, community means different things to different people.

Much of it is being seen in Mer and Nemo community already, where there's deep involvement in areas by community traditionally reserved only for company employees in let's say, Nokia times.

Personally I believe that the best thing to do is to give the bits and pieces that allow community to innovate properly and in a structured manner - while maintaining own identity of the product offering to make it commercially viable.

I fully forsee communities developing full UI, features with a lot less manpower than companies have had to use in the previous years, community members spinning out to do companies together surrounding their technologies and selling these services to many device makers.

A community of do'ers.

Hope this helps move things a bit ahead.

Dave999 2012-10-21 08:53
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
or simply wait until the 21, since we don't get any real answers now anyways...after that we might get answers on some questions but at time, we already know the the answers.

I'm not against the idea of the document, Its just that when we get the asnwers, we already know the answers :D

Anyway, stskeeps suggestions are great. keep it up Jalyst. Make it happen!

jalyst 2012-10-21 08:54
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Thanks for re-posting that here stskeeps, much better that everyone sees it rather than just me...
The Jolla Qns doc is everyone's, we're free to organize it however we decide is the best way to proceed.
I agree at some point it should be locked, maybe even all the content should then be copy/pasted to another medium before passing it to Jolla.
Perhaps the doc should be narrowed to concerns/ideas/Qns relating to Jolla, & we have a separate one for the Sailfish alliance?
And as stskeeps suggested, do we start a new thread dedicated solely to discussing the doc, & keep this one for more generic banter?

Dave999 2012-10-21 11:47
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v7q14FcErs...challenge2.JPG

Haha, just realized some moderator edited my footer. It seems that this place isn't as open and free as I thought. Didn't even notify me. Crazy world :D If the mod responsible for this sneaky undercover attack have the guts to show himself or tells me why I would be pleased or I have to call the police.

Where is the list of moderators? I need to start an investigation until jolla release some information.

mikecomputing 2012-10-21 14:32
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1283257)
Cool story bro ;)



Well all the industry spec is that he's going for Android, can't recall whether he's specifically said anything like that himself, think he may of at least once already.*
But hopefully Sailfish is at least being looked at closely now, & I hope it becomes a important part of the portfolio, if not the primary part...

*hence all the "pee in your pants" jokes, something he once famously said about Android.
I have not followed Vertu much but the little I know about them is that they have private investors(from wikipedia) and theyr focus has been "low volumes" and "luxery mobile" and as we know it was a Nokia owned company.

To me it looks more logical step replace symbian with Meego/QT if they plan to differentiate, luxery == higher prices == hype it. Also if its exnokia people they already has more knowhow in Symbian+QT/C++/C and Meego than Android/Java.

Going Android route is just as stupid as Nokia going WP for them. They would ust be another Android company.

They probadly not intrested in big volumes instead theyr intrests seems to be differentiate and have high price tags to hype up the company. And with Meego combination its more logic IMHO. Second I dont thinks those consumers buying those luxery highprices devices is intrested in 1000000 buggy android apps anyway...

mikecomputing 2012-10-21 14:47
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1283260)
Sailfish is not complete"if a os ever be". This is the first release of many, and to bring in a beta OS as your primary OS, it's a gamble very few companies can do.

Tizen is beta, Android is beta, Meego is beta, WP is beta,

we dont know yet but if most stuff is based on Maemo/Meego harmattan But I dont see it as more "beta" than any other OS.

Lets face it: The fast updates on HW specs make every damn OS a beta.... Also Android is fragmented cause of this..

But with beta you have to write new drivers for HW often when new device comes out in any case in ALL OS:es.

Dave999 2012-10-21 15:38
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1283411)
Tizen is beta, Android is beta, Meego is beta, WP is beta,

we dont know yet but if most stuff is based on Maemo/Meego harmattan But I dont see it as more "beta" than any other OS.

Lets face it: The fast updates on HW specs make every damn OS a beta.... Also Android is fragmented cause of this..

But with beta you have to write new drivers for HW often when new device comes out in any case in ALL OS:es.

seriously, what are you talking about? Please don't quote my posts with answers like that ;)

shmerl 2012-10-21 17:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1283302)
And as stskeeps suggested, do we start a new thread dedicated solely to discussing the doc, & keep this one for more generic banter?
I think it's OK to open a separate thread. I'd even suggest to do it on OpenTablets, since TMO threads tend to drown in heavy offtopics:

http://opentablets.org/forum/43-jolla/

But if everyone prefers TMO - you can do it here of course. Just prepare to filter the noise.

Dave999 2012-10-21 17:53
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1283495)
I think it's OK to open a separate thread. I'd even suggest to do it on OpenTablets, since TMO threads tend to drown in heavy offtopics:

http://opentablets.org/forum/43-jolla/

But if everyone prefers TMO - you can do it here of course. Just prepare to filter the noise.
Are you paid by Opentablets or what?

shmerl 2012-10-21 18:18
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
You are free to pay them if you want :) They are non commercial.

jalyst 2012-10-21 18:49
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1283495)
I think it's OK to open a separate thread. I'd even suggest to do it on OpenTablets, since TMO threads tend to drown in heavy offtopics:

http://opentablets.org/forum/43-jolla/

But if everyone prefers TMO - you can do it here of course. Just prepare to filter the noise.
Personally I think we should stay here, we just have to trust everyone to "put their adult head on", & FOCUS on the task at hand.
Feel free to get the ball rolling, I'm less & less active at TMO, I was supposed to be totally weened at least a mth ago*, but I think I'll have to stick around a tiny bit for a bit longer.
Otherwise I'll start one pretty soon....
And what does everyone think about omitting Sailfish-related stuff from the doc, & starting a separate doc for it, necessary? (I imagine the new thread can still be for both)

*I hope to be much more active again by Q2 2013...

mariusmssj 2012-10-22 09:42
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
90 Seconds Interview With Marc Dillon new CEO

Dave999 2012-10-22 10:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1283794)
I want do see that interview. 6 short questions in 90 sec? They must have been talking in slow motion. :D

90 seconds i a loooooong time.

H...i M...a...r...c – c...o...n...g...r...a...t...u...l...a...t...i...o. ..n...s o...n y...o...u...r ...n...e...w... ..p...o...s...i...t...i...o...n... ..a...s... ..C...E....O f...o...r... Jolla!

T...h....a....n...k... y...o...u., i...t i...s a... p...r...i....v...i...l...e...g...e... t...o s...e...r...v...e s...u...c...h... a... g...r...e...a..t c...r...e...w...

:D.

Edit: oh sorry my bad. They had a coffee break in the middle of the interview. That explains it.

mariusmssj 2012-10-23 08:58
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Slush 2012 venue map
http://slush.fi/wp-content/uploads/2...factorymap.jpg


The list of speakers
http://i.imgur.com/enegK.png

Jordi 2012-10-23 09:08
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Yes, 90 sec. is a short time for an interview... Anyway, Marc Dillon confirms the annoncement date for the upcoming device:

"After the Sailfish announcement (21st Nov), when can we expect a device announcement to follow ? Do you have a rough ETA yet for device availability ?

We are now busily planning the upcoming event and will share the news at the event."

Dave999 2012-10-23 09:31
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
any live streams or this a start up productions?

Might have notify Engadget to send some people over there.

Stskeeps... will you be there? myabee set up a live blog?

anyone participate in this event?

mariusmssj 2012-10-23 10:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1284351)
any live streams or this a start up productions?

Might have notify Engadget to send some people over there.

Stskeeps... will you be there? myabee set up a live blog?

anyone participate in this event?
I asked Engadget about their presence in Slush, once they will reply I will let you know

tissot 2012-10-23 10:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1284351)
any live streams or this a start up productions?

Might have notify Engadget to send some people over there.

Stskeeps... will you be there? myabee set up a live blog?

anyone participate in this event?
I hope organisers or Jolla would have live video stream of it.
Other than that at least Reuters, Wired will be in the event, though both probably media houses that wont make live stream of it.

Dave999 2012-10-23 14:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1284382)
I hope organisers or Jolla would have live video stream of it.
Other than that at least Reuters, Wired will be in the event, though both probably media houses that wont make live stream of it.
Yeah. Jolla should launch www.jolla.com with a live feed! That would kick some serous butt!

HELLASISGREECE 2012-10-23 15:09
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if you end up not buying Jolla's phone, I'll shoot you Dave. In the knee.

thedead1440 2012-10-23 15:10
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1284489)
if you end up not buying Jolla's phone, I'll shoot you Dave. In the knee.
I would prefer to shoot him someplace higher than that :p

Dave999 2012-10-23 15:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1284490)
I would prefer to shoot him someplace higher than that :p
Voilance doesn't solve anything. It has been tried around the world ending up with the same bad result time after time.

HELLASISGREECE 2012-10-23 15:25
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Vulgar display of power dude.

Dave999 2012-10-23 15:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1284501)
Vulgar display of power dude.
True, we must have some limits here. This is not a playground.

Back to jolla.

thedead1440 2012-10-23 15:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1284503)
This is not a playground.
:confused:

Didn't you say that before any product launch a thread is a troll-fest similar to a playground a few pages back?

So you are moving the goalposts again :p


Edit:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1283137)
Level 1. Anticipation. In this stage the thread can containing closely related or not so closely related. Off topics can be used the make it more fun. All users posting are trolls, since it's really no facts available, all share their view of the world. Nothing is wrong, nothing is right.

Edit 2:
Quote:
Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1283800)
Best strategies for having fun with trolls?

Is ignoring them really the best way to close them down?

Personally I see several strategies.

1. The diametrically but equally unsubstantiated opposing model.
2. Ignore them completely.
3. Moral high ground.
4. Bait and switch

One of the key factors that can be relied upon is that a troll usually can't resist from having the last word and they usually hang themselves ever so gracefully if they are baited just right.

It must be ever so frustrating being a troll knowing that your sole purpose in life is to defend a completely meaningless or hypocritical position.

Its hard not to feel sorry for them.

rgds
Dave you have just been hit by strategy 1&4 in a double-combo :p

Dave999 2012-10-23 15:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1284505)
:confused:

Didn't you say that before any product launch a thread is a troll-fest similar to a playground a few pages back?

So you are moving the goalposts again :p
Go back read my post again please. Don't point gun in here, unless it's loaded with a jolla device.

Goalposts? What's that?

Edit: Excellent, I rather hit a double troll jackpot combo or what ever its called than shot.

mariusmssj 2012-10-23 18:03
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I don't think Engadget is attending Slush, still no reply from them


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