Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1369623)

The funny thing is, Lumiaman is not even a very good astroturfer or shill.

He always copies in the comments from others debunking his hogwash in their entirety, so the true facts always get repeated at his expense.

He knows he has no answer to the actual points once debunked with evidence.

He always leaves the true facts unanswered resorting to childish tangental outpourings clearly demonstrating he doesn't actually believe the drivel he spouts.

rgds

ps. Calling someone a hater, doesn't make it so, hating something inanimate makes no sense as anyone with intelligence would know.

I also couldn't care less what you think, I only care about countering the disinformation and falsehoods you try to spread in this Maemo forum with facts and evidence.

Clearly you are blessed with a short memory, let me repeat myself one more time for you, the longer I can keep you drivelling in this thread, the less harm you can do anywhere else and we all get to have a good laugh at your expense.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1369630)

Ok. Mr Ignoree, even Finnish people are telling you what happened (see above post) few pages back, and you still believe Tomi A delusional bulll. Symbian was dead and NOKIA knew they had to kill it. Elop did kill Meego and Maemo because the team couldnt deliver worthy software. They were too slow, dysfunctional, and unable to deliver. So he cut them loose. Every CEO would do that to a losing proposition. But what is there to talk to you about. You still dont understand the business of selling devices. You still confuse open and close. And you still hang around here. Just put me back on ignore. Oh wait, you live in Third World and you missed the revolution..........

Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1369520)

Lumiaman outed as paid Microsoft Astroturfer?

A Shill?

http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/

The glove fits, reusing earlier quotes as facts, reusing non factual posts from other sites as evidence, slipping in statements as if they are facts based on no evidence and then re using them later as evidence, infiltrating developer social networks, Microsoft has even astroturfed using identities of dead people, they are without shame.

Microsoft were undeniably sleazy and apparently nothing has changed if Lumiaman is anything to go by.

Just saying

rgds

Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1369617)

Interesting isn't it that Lumiaman keep repeating the same mantra and then is deliberately rude to try to get a rise, typical of an Astroturfer and to feed his ego.

SInce Microsoft started copycating IOS with their attempt at a closed ecosystem, Lumiaman consistently states that is it Android doing the copying even though this has been debunked many times in earlier posts.

Since Elop literally destroyed Symbian and all the great ideas Nokia was exploring such as QT and Maemo, Lumiaman consistently tries to rewrite history by making statements that it was not Elop who destroyed this as if they were facts, no doubt to be regurgitated later, strangely reminiscent of a paid Shill.

Notice also the constant repetition as if this will make it more true, this delusional behaviour is either genuine or someone is paying for it to be continued deliberately. Again typical of a paid Astroturfer.

I am sure that no one wants to "get with your program" Lumiaman and you have been asked many times before to stop being rude, it is offensive.

Please don't.

rgds

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1369680)

Interesting, sad and unsurprising for Microsoft--and Lumiaman. As I skim the posts to catch up, I keep wondering to myself WHY people are still bothering to reply to him? He's clearly full of sh**, doesn't really post anything interesting or productive to the board, often makes personal attacks and flame-baits for attacks himself and continues to steer the posts evermore off-topic. After a while, it becomes boring or too exhausting to bother to even pretend to have an interest or caring anymore--much like all the fu**s we give for Windows Phones themselves. :P On rare occasion he has contributed something interesting, thoughtworthy or informative, but MAN that's rare--really rare.

I wouldn't doubt that you're right about him being a Microsoft shill, from the way he carries on, except for that hilarious fiasco where someone here from Nokia very nearly recruited him as an evangelist and then very, very carefully and briskly backed off from that after realizing he would do more harm than good to the brand. :)

But seriously, and this is true for ANYBODY (not just him): if you want to ignore him or get more people contributing to the topic, when you read his stuff and you know everybody else can see it's hilarious on its face, let it just stand on its own without a reply. Definitely don't reply to the flame-baiting stuff. It's getting tiring and this IS supposed to be the Nokia stocks thread, not a pissing contest.

Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1369663)

My point about Lumiaman as a shill or astroturfer is clearly demonstrated in that last comment, true to type.

He mentions a post earlier with no reference, links, evidence or facts which is immediately debunked with verifiable statements.

He responded dragging TomiA in tangentially and irrelevantly to the points of the comment as a statement with no evidence or facts and is therefore meaningless, a childish attempt to misdirect maybe? how stupid.

Adds childish insults that have no bearing on the comments and are not based on any intelligent consideration, especially since there are parts of the USA that rival the worst conditions of any third world country, not that I have ever visited one.

Nokia announced closure of Symbian after Elop joined, evidence presented previously.

Still banging the same drum and ignoring evidence to the contrary is classic sign of delusion and stupidity.

Whilst I might accept that discussions around the possibility of replacing Symbian in a large company like Nokia may well have happened over a longer period, the axe wielder was Elop, the ongoing failure of the future strategy is Elop, the burning memo that sunk Symbian was all Elop, the near instant crash in stock price, the worlds fastest crash ever seen by a world leading company, was all Elop.

rgds

ps. I will put you on ignore when I choose not when you direct.

I am not interested in your thoughts as I have already stated please take that onboard, only your misstatements and falsehoods, which is the sign of a dishonest person and all I am trying to do now is decide whether this is deliberate or you really are that blind.

Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1369701)

@danramos

I know I know, don't poke the village idiot with a stick, it's just such fun though, he rises to the bait so easily.

I will try harder to ignore him in future and hope we can get some useful updates on Nokias declining stock price.

rgds

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1369702)

Last time I checked it was 4.17. I almost doubled my investment. How about you chump.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1369696)

And why did Elop publicly announce Symbian demise.

Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1369663)

Adds childish insults that have no bearing on the comments and are not based on any intelligent consideration, especially since there are parts of the USA that rival the worst conditions of any third world country, not that I have ever visited one.

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1369833)

4.56%. Is that alot? This stock is as stale as Lumiatard's idiotic ramblings.

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1369415)

I'm an executive director and shareholder of a manufacturing company. We've made much more profit than NOKIA in the time Elop has been in charge. I'm also an executive director and shareholder of another company with a portfolio of residential rental properties in the UK. I'm currently contemplating buying a holiday resort in Cornwall too.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Originally Posted by Artyom (Post 1369572)

They are letting me do it for 4 years now still not so much has changed.
Who is dreaming? Me or you? Think again.

Originally Posted by Artyom (Post 1369421)

you probably didn't. just bought a crappy 5800 and whine about how symbian is so bad and so ugly and how it should be replaced. on the other hand i've been using symbian handsets since the 7650 days.
so all the numbers are lying is this what you're trying to tell here? nokia was a huge company back in 2010, you came in and simply destroyed the company for the sake of microsoft and windows phone mr. elop.
i don't follow tomi ahonen, in fact i already knew back in 2011 that symbian was a very viable choice as a mid range smartphone os. it could crush android at that area. nokia 603 was a great example for that. but instead of making capable symbian devices mr elop chose to make uncapable dumbphone devices. and now we are seeing the results.

if you are an extreme optimist yeah being a third player with ~3% is a good thing.


The biggest mistake that nokia did. Buying symbian. now people like you come here and badger about how other companies adopted android and how they benefitted.
If tizen successes i will remind you those words.


Yes they can compete. They showed it by dominating the phone world for years. With symbian. If you can't see the fact go jump off a bridge. Some guy stealing their technology and making a touchscreen device will not change that fact.
That's how the "silicon valley" hate symbian. They envy it. They couldn't eliminate it so they sent someone from the inside to do the job. Which cost them at least a couple of billions.

MeeGo was unlucky. Mr elop announced lumai 800 3 months after N9. Bu it still sold more than lumai 800 and 900 combined. Such a shame that you rigged the race and didn't let the clear winner win mr. elop.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1369827)

I vote switchman to be the new CEO of NOKIA and to resurrect the all mighty SYMBIAN!!!

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1369653)

If you had studied the actual documented chain of events (which has also been translated in english for your benefit) you would understand that this was largely a management problem, not problem with SW engineering or competence.

Nokia did what they had to do to in order to try to turn a large ship in that situation, but you have to agree that the execution of turning was not done very elegantly.
(or else the current march order of mobile phone companies would be something else :D)

Originally Posted by Artyom (Post 1369892)

Lord of the lumais,
No one is after resurrecting the all mighty symbian though it is a mighty os i agree. ;) But the next step after symbian was definitely a linux mobile os. Not a crippled windows metro ui.
Also they delivered meego harmattan n9 in merely a year. The time between nokia-intel settlement and the deal break. That's pretty fast. Apple delivered the iphone in three years.

Also the the origin, the first version of symbian^3 is s60v3 which was announced back in 2005. Which is almost a completely different os from the versions 6.x 7.x and 8.x. the iphone aka project purple was announced at 2004.

Originally Posted by Artyom (Post 1369895)

Lameiaman,
Learn to answer all statements first then fix that link. Then learn not to e a broken record.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1369896)

Arseyom

try this:

http://taskumuro.com/artikkelit/the-...of-nokia-meego

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1369901)

Better than your Third World story.....

Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1369908)

which is several more than you have ever presented.

rgds

Originally Posted by Artyom (Post 1369902)

lameialord

yes they that's why they brought the s60v3 platform which was a way modern os and MADE FOR NON TOUCH DEVICES. and no symbian touch devices untill 2008.
also that article explains why maemo and meego devices couldn't be highlighted as much as symbian and the delays. because of a crazy inner conflict. because of nokia can't get it's shite together. you disproved your claims with an article that you put.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1369918)

Arseyom, you disappoint me. You didnt blame Elop for that!

Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1369701)

I will try harder to ignore him in future