maemo.org - Talk - Jolla Tablet Refunds (latest developments)

@vitaminj: As you might rightfully guess - I am just looking at "copy and paste" from a user's perspective, without looking what is behind the UI. And I indeed see your point. On the other hand: why wouldn't you allow to mark and copy each sort of string that is visible to a user - even the battery percentage? At least, that would be something I would call system-wide copy (not paste).

So maybe it is more about the copy-part than aboout the paste-part. Pasting should indeed only be allowed in those fields that are provided therefore - as it is right now.

Another issue is off course the way you copy without keyboard and ctrl-c (as, for instance, with the N900) because you might want to reseerve the long-click for other Events than copying.

And just as a side-question: what is a celebutroll? I guess I am supposed to be one, but I have no clue what it means. Plus: trolling is not my Intention, so please apologize if I made the wrong impr4ession.

JoOppen

2016-02-17 13:55

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

@pichlo: thank you! Plus: I fully agree with you regarding selecting and copying ("Some questionable decisions in the VKB design. Whose genius idea was it to combine select and copy into a single action? So I cannot select a piece of text and replace it with the contents of the clipboard because the act of selecting puts it in the clipboard. Arrrgh! ")

pichlo

2016-02-17 14:06

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

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Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1499053)

I have a friend who at this point would berate you for your Windows ctrl+c ctrl+v heresy. But he still calls it a buffer. :)

I never used Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V. I found Ctrl+Ins, Shift+Ins far more memorable.
Until I started using the N900, that is. Then I had to learn :)

aegis

2016-02-17 14:10

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Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1499044)

Seriously, what do you mean? Silica components support copy and paste, globally. If I select text in an application, it gets copied to the clipboard and I can paste it into text controls elsewhere. Do you just mean the poor support for it in the browser? You can still paste into text fields, and do both from the address bar. Saying that Sailfish has no global copy and paste is a bit dishonest when you just mean the browser application.

There are plenty of other applications where you'd want to select text and copy it that does not work.

Unless they've changed it recently and I've not noticed, Mail is a prime example. To copy text out of an email you have to first reply to a mail so it's quoted in your reply. Then you can copy text out as it's an input now.

But, I wouldn't call people dishonest. When you've an OS that is missing so many 3rd party apps you have to rely on the browser a lot so having a substandard browser there too is a second slap in the face. The browser could solve the app issue but two years on, it's still frustrating.

cue someone saying the source is on github, go fix it yourself.... 3.... 2....

aegis

2016-02-17 14:22

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1499060)

I never used Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V. I found Ctrl+Ins, Shift+Ins far more memorable.

ah, the IBM indoctrination runs deep.

Always found that really awkward after using Macs, Amiga, BeOS, Later Windows. I must use Command-ZXCVEFG dozens if not hundreds of times a day for the clipboard/buffers on a Mac while editing.

billranton

2016-02-17 14:36

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Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1499062)

cue someone saying the source is on github, go fix it yourself.... 3.... 2....

I can go one better:

https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfi...ssue+clipboard

It doesn't even seem to be a registered issue on the project! WTF! Someone go copy and paste all this into a new issue and... oh wait.

mikecomputing

2016-02-17 21:33

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Wtf https://jolla.com/tablet/ sold out, before I gott one :eek:

vitaminj

2016-02-17 21:48

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1499052)

I do! (Yes, including the battery status.)

My god, how perverse!

Ok fair enough, I can see how it might be helpful, but yeah it would interfere in e.g. lists that have a long-hold menu or similar.

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Originally Posted by JoOppen (Post 1499054)

And just as a side-question: what is a celebutroll? I guess I am supposed to be one, but I have no clue what it means.

No, sorry, not you, I made up the word from "celebrity troll" and I mean Dave999 and anyone else who always turn up like clockwork whenever there's a system update and go "Have they done global copy and paste yet? No? Imbeciles!" without really explaining what they think is missing apart from the browser copying which, yes, is a little bit rubbish.

Dave999

2016-02-17 21:55

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Originally Posted by vitaminj (Post 1499103)

My god, how perverse!

Ok fair enough, I can see how it might be helpful, but yeah it would interfere in e.g. lists that have a long-hold menu or similar.

No, sorry, not you, I mean Dave999 and anyone else who always turn up like clockwork whenever there's a system update and go "Have they done global copy and paste yet? No? Imbeciles!" without really explaining what they think is missing apart from the browser copying which, yes, is a little bit rubbish.

Lucky for you. You wont hear it since there is almost no updates anymore :D

If you read the user experience thread you will find what I'm missing and my suggestions.

salyavin

2016-02-17 22:13

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

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Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1499063)

What no yank and put talk from vi? No emacs kill and yank?

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