Re: Who said that Flash 10.1 is not coming?
 

Oh come on. If you're smart enough to get the rest of what you did, then you know full well that "Jobso" is wrong in that he is arbitrarily dismissing choice (with some of the most asinine and disingenuous reasoning I've ever seen in the tech world) and simply jockeying for Apple to be the middleman. With much more disastrous consequences than anything Flash could inflict.

Re: Who said that Flash 10.1 is not coming?
 

This is probably the plan and I can perfectly understand why they would go with it. If the user experience is centered around multitouch, i wouldn't want some half baked effort.

Hardware restrictions are a pretty big deal especially if a work around can't be found. The software can only go as far as the hardware lets it go and not the other way around

Re: Who said that Flash 10.1 is not coming?
 

in the N900's internal browser i think we currently have flash 9.0,246,0
in easy debians precompiled image u get 9.0,48,0 while running the web browser Ice Weasel (firefox based) (atleast in the precompiled image i got).

if we are lucky that means that it would be possible to make a hack for manual upgrade to upcoming flash versions (but hardware acceleration may be tricky in flash 10 unless were lucky).

in case it really turns out that nokia and adobe really abandon the plans for flash 10.1 on debian (ARM version) or the n900, we will be dependent on such hacks - alternatively if the Meego project turns out so well that we'll get all fedora (ARM version) possibilities and its web browsers with flash if it supports N900 hardware... should do so as long as its arm cortex a8+sgx535 based

Re: Who said that Flash 10.1 is not coming?
 

It goes like this (puts on Sherlock Holmes hat):

Flash 10 requires special features from the OS to work (for Android, Froyo; Flash Lite 4, that is compatible with 10 requires Symbian^3; etc).

Those features are included in MeeGo. They aren't in Maemo 5 AKA Fremantle.

An official commercial release of MeeGo is not coming for the N900. The community is seeing what it can do to bring MeeGo to the N900, but there isn't anything assured.

That means, there isn't anything assured about Flash 10 in the N900 (specially if it is going to be hardware accelerated).

Re: Who said that Flash 10.1 is not coming?
 

I think its time to read between the lines. All along they've been saying "we have to see if it will work on the N900"(regarding MeeGo-Harmattan UX components). What does that mean? We know for a FACT they CAN get it to work but their statement is that they won't be BOTHERED to make it work if they run into ANY issues, and we know there will be issues, like multi-touch and etc.

So they're hemming and hawing when really we all know they're setting up for the big let down a few months from now when a MeeGo device releases. "Yeah, we tried, but we couldn't get it to work. But if you want, why not buy this really cool MeeGo device that does everything you thought the N900 would do but we never promised you."

Let's be real. I know marketing speak when I hear it.

Re: Who said that Flash 10.1 is not coming?
 

What about having maemo.org join the Open Screen Project and having some veteran coders implement it.
If maemo.org can't join then I think they should remove the Open in Open Screen Project.

Re: Who said that Flash 10.1 is not coming?
 

"Adobe provides a porting kit"

Once Adobe says that, I think the next answer is Nokia's not Adobe's.

If I say I sent you something, the next question is to you -- did you receive it?

Nokia typically stonewalls. Then they release something like PR1.2 and they are all over the site, as they were for a few instants. Then they fade back into the woodwork.

It's their pattern. It's a bad pattern.

Re: Who said that Flash 10.1 is not coming?
 

"Adobe provides a porting kit" =/= "Adobe has provided a porting kit"

Seeing as we haven't heard anything from Micrsoft or Palm, I'm going to guess Adobe hasn't provided this kit yet. Maybe to Google

Re: Who said that Flash 10.1 is not coming?
 

I know there's so much hate for Engadget here but have you guys seen their interview with Adobe's CTO Kevin Lynch?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/a...ull-interview/

The first half is pretty interesting, the rest is not so much.
If you fast forward 5:30, he starts talking about other manufacturers including Nokia. What makes me cringe is that Adobe's CTO says that he demoed Flash 10.1 for Symbian NOT Maemo in last October :S (forward to 6:45)

It's also interesting how Kevin lynch mentions that you cant just dump Flash 10.1 onto the OS, you have to update the OS aswell. He also says (i think) that kits should be ready around June

Re: Who said that Flash 10.1 is not coming?
 

I think at the time the N900 was the only device they could demo it on, capabilities wise.

I agree that if Nokia had knowledge that there was even just a small chance that they could not offer it on the N900 then they should have released a statement at that time. I doubt that they could have stopped Adobe from using the N900 for the demo but they also needed to protect the Maemo brand,

Instead it looks like Nokia marketing had their cake and got to eat it too. How much of a factor did this demo have on an average N900 buyers purchase decision?

Even if it was small, it could have resulted in a sizable amount of N900 sales. Nokia marketing should cut this crap out because of the deterioration to the brand that occurs because of it.

This behavior of Nokia Marketing isn't new. All the pre release press shots of the N800 as I recall showed a screen with Navigation software running on it, Navicore (later branded Wayfinder) wasn't released for some 4 months after the N800 dropped and was sold as a co-op kit for close to $200 USD.

I shelled out the $400 clams for the N800 on the day it became available. I rationalized it's cost because of this implication that it could be used as an in car navigation device as well. I shelled out the additional 200 clams the day Navicore was available because I had to justify my first rationalization. (the same reasoning gamblers and alcoholics use btw. The "all in" mentality. :D )

The only thing that kept me from running through the next CES with "NOKIA SUCKS" painted in big blue letters on my fat naked body was membership in this community or more specifically the Internet tablet Talk forum where I began to appreciate Maemo and the build quality of the devices... in spite of Nokia's seemingly bait and switch tactics.

But alas, that was when we were a small town and everyone had a chance to get to know one another. You could walk down the street and pop your head into any thread and see what was going on. Because most input was positive, input from everyone was welcome and no question to dumb and no idea went unexplored by others. As a result things got done. Or at least it seemed to keep my interest.

Now that we are this "Big City" as it was called recently, things still get done but more and more things are being done behind closed and locked doors. That may be because when you now walk down the street it is like the day after Mardi Gras or Times Square circa 1975. You see hooligans mugging the elderly, people pissing in the streets, and god forbid you ask for help, chances are that Ratzo Rizzo himself will offer it after first sizing you up to see whats in it for him. :eek:

Nokia offers on-line customer support so why did all these busses full of complaints seem to stop in our small town and unload like it was the end of the line?

The answer again is Nokia Marketing wanting their cake and eating it too.

Posted around where a new N900 owner lands after touching that "Maemo" icon on their new N900...
>> http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo/

Want to know why there are all these threads here demanding MeeGo as if it was some sort of entitlement?

Count how many times WeAreMeeGo shows up on that page. :rolleyes:


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BTW fatalsaint, it's good seein' ya around here more often lately.