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epninety

2017-10-19 15:43

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I just realised my X has been quiet all day despite emails arriving...

A quick check shows no sound output at all. Checked volume in settings, ambiences and from the volume key.

I saw this previously on the community build, but this is the first time it's happened since the official build arrived.

I use sailcron to switch to a silent ambience overnight and back to a noisy one in the morning. It certainly switched back to 'noisy', and the 'muted' icon wasn't shown.

Back to normal after a reboot.

Next time I will check the phone audio, and anything else I can think of. Anyone had anything similar?

DrDweeb

2017-10-19 16:30

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1536460)

Yes, but partitioning has been done from recovery.

This is for POWER users with F5122! Normal users shouldn't do it!
You should transfer https://iwf1.com/iwf-repo/parted.rar tool onto phone, chmod +x it and then do:
1) ./parted /dev/mmcblk0
2) print
here you see

Code:

...#     start    end     size

51      1195MB  54.7GB  53.5GB               userdata

52      54.7GB  62.5GB  7843MB  ext4         system

3) you want to make system smaller (on stock SF it is 1.5GB), and make userdata bigger
4) rm 52
5) rm 51
this deletes both last partitions
6) mkpart
here you create userdata again, set up 'start' the same - 1195MB, but end - bigger (61.0GB)
7) mkpart
here you create system again, set up 'start' as the end of NEW userdata - 61.0GB, and end as before - 62.5GB
8) name 51
say 'userdata'
9) name 52
say 'system'

So now you will have

Code:

...

51      1195MB  61.0GB  59.8GB               userdata

52      61.0GB  62.5GB  1537MB               system

So what normally goes in the system partition that might need ca. 8GB?
How big do I really need for SFOS?

I have a need for as much memory for media as possible, so the extra GB will be useful

alfmar

2017-10-19 19:48

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Hmm... this is too funny to not to mention it here.

After exporting contacts using vcardconverter, I also exported the entire database of calls and SMS messages from old Jolla phone (now without SIM) to Xperia X.

First, export message groups and phone calls lists to a binary file: log in via ssh on Jolla and execute:

Code:

commhistory-tool export -groups -calls mystuff

then move that binary file to Xperia X and execute:
[code]
commhistory-tool import ./mystuff
[code]
(you can safely ignore the bunch of warnings).

and everything gets in place and sorted by date, no UTF8 characters lost, added to the already existing recent calls and SMS text messages in its database.

DrYak

2017-10-19 22:13

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfa (Post 1537263)

Turning this off hasn't worked. I'm going to try again on a different computer on the weekend.

Do you get to fastmode ?
(Turn off, hold volume up, insert USB cable, the phone turns on, the screen stays black and the LED eventually shine blue. The blue color is important).

Quote:

I'll try without using the Sony software, as I think this is causing the problem

Normally you shouldn't need to use Emma - the sony software.
It's only used to flash official Sony firmware (e.g.: upgrading to "Central Europe 34.3.a.0.238").

And even if you need to downgrade/upgrade firmware, I would definitely recommend using http://flashtool.net instead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1537274)

Linux went without a glitch for me. Just had to install the android tools with a single command, turn off phone, plug it in while pressing volume up (or was it down for fastboot mode?), checking fastboot devices and proceeding from there with flashtool... if i recall correctly.

For the record :

- Volume Up : is for (Android standard) fastboot mode, and gives you a blue LED with a black screen.
That also allows you to unlock the bootloader to accept non-Sony-signed firmware (e.g.: SFOX or custom Android ROMs).

If you still run the stock Sony :

- Volume Down : is for the proprietary Sony flash mode, and gives you a green LED with a black screen.
You can use Sony's official Emma tool for Windows, or the cross-platform Flashtool to upgrade or downgrade firmwares.

If you've unlocked the bootloader and installer an Android recovery firmware (e.g.: TWRP, ClockWorkMod, etc.)

- Volume Down : is for recovery mod, and gives you a green LED with a menu on the screen (either touch screen, or using only the volume buttons for up/down, depending on the exact firmware installed).
It enables you to install firmware using ZIP files on the SDCard.

If you've unlocked the bootloader and installed the optionnal Jolla recovery firmware :
- Volume Down : is for recovery firmware, and gives you a green LED with a screen showing instruction to use telnet to connect to the Phone.
The actual recovery menu is visible on telnet.
(Pro tip : If you're on a Jolla 1 phone - DO NOT use the btrfs recovery)
Using the shell you can do pretty much anything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaelic (Post 1537256)

For me the lowest volume setting is to loud, and high volume way too high an massively cracking, I guess on the long run it would destroy the speakers.

I would suspect a bug in pulseaudio having an abronally high volume level. (In that situation, the cracking is software audio clipping, not destruction of the speakers)
(The speakers of nearly all smartphones are piezo anyway. They are solid-state).

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1537273)

Is the display brightness range the same on sfos as it is in android?
Booted the thing in android for the updates and found it is nicely dark on lowest setting. Unprecedented in sfos device i would say.

In Android, you usually set a brightness setting, and that's it.
In Sailfish OS, you generally set a desired brightness and the phone will play with it's actual brightness settings, based on the light sensors.
(The end result might end up being brighter or darker depending on ambient light).

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogger888 (Post 1537237)

I just want to say thank you to all those who helped me

Happy that as a community we managed to help eachother.

rfa	2017-10-19 23:09

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

My issues are all related to unlocking the bootloader... (I think) - I can't upload pictures @ work, so I'll type away below:

F5121

Rooting status: Bootloader unlock allowed: Yes

I'm running 34.3.A.0.238

Developer options: ON
OEM unlocking: ON
USB Debugging: ON
Verify apps over USB: ON

Select USB Configuration: MTP (Media Transfer Protocol)

Everything else (in developer options) is OFF

Location: OFF

Lock screen & security:
Protection by my Xperia: OFF (this was on previously)

Device administration:
Unknown sources: ON

____________________

From the Sony website (where the instructions don't match either the video or the links provided) I have searched elsewhere & downloaded (as shown on the Sony video) installer_r24.4.1-windows.exe

I've downloaded the fastboot driver

I've (eventually) got it running in Windows 8.1 (rebooted into Testmode & run unsigned driver, again these steps don't match the Sony steps in the video

I've got the CLI running

I've typed in fastboot devices

a code has returned (I don't have it in front of me)

I've then (from step 4/4 on the unlock your bootloader Sony website) entered (Copy pasted) the code

and FAILED is al that happens...

deprecated

2017-10-19 23:18

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfa (Post 1537311)

I've then (from step 4/4 on the unlock your bootloader Sony website) entered (Copy pasted) the code

and FAILED is al that happens...

Did you enter your IMEI at the Sony site, and are you certain that the code they gave you is pasted exactly in the fastboot command?

rfa	2017-10-19 23:45

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1537313)

Did you enter your IMEI at the Sony site, and are you certain that the code they gave you is pasted exactly in the fastboot command?

Yes. To be certain I copy pasted the fastboot command code, rather than risk mistyping

deprecated

2017-10-20 00:00

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfa (Post 1537314)

Yes. To be certain I copy pasted the fastboot command code, rather than risk mistyping

Honestly at this point it sounds like your fastboot driver is broken, even though it's reporting a device correctly. Are you able to do simple commands like "fastboot reboot" or "fastboot reboot bootloader"?

Also, make sure you're doing any fastboot commands from an elevated (Administrator) command prompt.

rfa	2017-10-20 00:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1537316)

I'll try these tonight.

I'm running CMD as administrator

Correction, trying now

"fastboot reboot" reboots the phone

"fastboot reboot bootloader" reboots the bootloader returns

Quote:

rebooting into bootloader...
OKAY [ 0.003S]

The code I get after running "fastboot devices" is: CB512E0E65

does this mean anything?

rfa	2017-10-20 04:12

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Currently flashing.

Thank you for your help and motivation.

I tried using a different email address & re-typing my my iemi#

rob_kouw

2017-10-20 06:50

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by oenone (Post 1537282)

Thank you for the information.

Running iw phy phy0 info gives:

Code:

        Band 1: 

[. . .]

                        Frequencies:

                        * 2412 MHz [1] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2417 MHz [2] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2422 MHz [3] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2427 MHz [4] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2432 MHz [5] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2437 MHz [6] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2442 MHz [7] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2447 MHz [8] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2452 MHz [9] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2457 MHz [10] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2462 MHz [11] (20.0 dBm)

                        * 2467 MHz [12] (disabled)

                        * 2472 MHz [13] (disabled)

                        * 2484 MHz [14] (disabled)

...

When I run this command, only channel 14 appears to be disabled. 12 and 13 are working. I think I flashed the version for "The Netherlands, Other".

mrsellout

2017-10-20 08:02

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by oenone (Post 1537282)

...
iw reg set [2 letter country code, eg BE, DK, RU, AU, etc] works but does not survive reboot and it changes back to the original settings.
...

You could create a systemd unit file to execute this command on boot.

Create a file /etc/systemd/system/enablewifich.service with the following

Code:

[Unit] 

Description=Change region to enable WIFI channels 12 & 13  



[Service]

Type=oneshot 

ExecStart=/bin/sh -c "echo OFF > iw reg set GB"  



[Install]

WantedBy=multi-user.target

then enable the service

Code:

systemctl enable enablewifich.service

This was adapted from this link:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/quest...pt-for-systemd

alfmar

2017-10-20 13:03

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1537332)

You could create a systemd unit file to execute this command on boot.

No need for a shell; just use something like:

Code:

ExecStart=/usr/sbin/iw reg set IT

Once enabled the service, just reboot. Note that iw reg set... takes one or two seconds to change to a different wifi regulation setup.

The wifi "channel" is actually the center frequency - adjacent channels frequencies overlap. This is why most of the commercial wifi access points and routers use either channel 1, or 6, or 11 (and this is why I use 3 in the garage and 13 at home).

Btw I see that XperiaX wifi is even better than Jolla1's - also the WoW (wake-on-wifi) is better, quickly recovering from energy saving modes (no need to try non-default values).

alfmar

2017-10-20 16:13

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Wow, I just associated my Logitech K480 Bluetooth Keyboard from SailfishX.

It works.
When some text input is required (that is: when the cursor is on) and the keyboard is on, the virtual keyboard disappears.

Note that in my Settings I have Language "English US" and Text Input / Active keyboard "Italian", Text Input / Keyboards "Italiano", Text Input / Active Layout "Italiano" (my K480 has an Italian layout).

Dave999

2017-10-20 16:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

any easy way to get the latest play store installed?

DrYak

2017-10-20 17:57

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1537364)

any easy way to get the latest play store installed?

I would suggest http://opengapps.org/, but I haven't tried it yet.

You should use:

32bit ARM - Sailfish X only use 64bit for the kernel, AFAIK
KitKat 4.4 version (That's the one supported by the aliendalvik on Jolla C, Tablet, and Sailfish X. Jolla 1 is still stuck with Jelly Bean 4.2, thanks to qualcomm drivers)
either the pico (bare strict minimum for Play) or nano (pico + a few extra google services not available on the playstore).

Note that in theory, as your Xperia was licensed for Google's Android, you should in theory have the right to run google service on your Sailfish X installtion.

(But your local jurisdiction's software copyright laws might be nitpicking because you don't use the exact verison that came with your phone - by extracting it - but download a different but more or less functionnally equivalent from the web).

aspergerguy

2017-10-20 18:09

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1537364)

any easy way to get the latest play store installed?

Just follow HtheB workaround here:https://together.jolla.com/question/...n-tablet-or-c/

You would need to stop store updating by one or other of these:
https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?...0&postcount=27
https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?...3&postcount=51

DrYak

2017-10-20 18:12

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 1537358)

Yup, Sailfish OS has supported physical keaboard since ages.
My favorite keyboard to use it the bluetooth "4 parts W-shaped" foldable by think outside.

(this one).

Very high quality. The size of a laptop 5 rows keyboard, (numbers on a separate row, unlike the later "2 halfs V shaped" foldable).

mrsellout

2017-10-20 19:34

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

The K480 is a nice keyboard for around the house. You can pair it with three devices (eg TV, phone, tablet) and easily switch between the three. Then there's a slot at the top perfect for holding your mobile devices.

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=...evices.png&f=1

richie

2017-10-20 21:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Hi,

Has anyone noticed the email client is slow to open emails on X?

Opening the emails with Sony X side by side with Jolla phone, and Jolla phone is noticeably quicker.

Rich

Dave999

2017-10-21 05:48

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by richie (Post 1537377)

Hi,

Has anyone noticed the email client is slow to open emails on X?

Opening the emails with Sony X side by side with Jolla phone, and Jolla phone is noticeably quicker.

Rich

yes, its extremely slow. in the transition to mail content. if its only text its fine but if email contains attachmends, headers, footers, html or other things its no smooth at all. jolla need a project butter

asa	2017-10-21 12:25

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I was able to install Play Store to Xperia with these instructions. I stopped the auto-update right after the installation and now have a 4.5.10 version.

Should I update to a newer one? 6.4.13? And how about Play Services? Maps says that the're too old, but Maps still works though...

clovis86

2017-10-21 12:54

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1537383)

I hope RC4 planned for next week will fix these lags !

Heik	2017-10-21 13:38

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by asa (Post 1537404)

As far as I know, version 7.3.25.K is the last one, that allows application updates in Sailfish. It works for me. Play services you can update from Jolla Android Store.

aspergerguy

2017-10-21 13:46

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heik (Post 1537410)

As far as I know, version 7.3.25.K is the last one, that allows application updates in Sailfish. It works for me.

Very easy to obtain older versions of Play Store via Aptoide, although remember you still have to accept "Update" to install 7.3.25.K if you are on 4.5.10

asa	2017-10-21 15:38

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heik (Post 1537410)

As far as I know, version 7.3.25.K is the last one, that allows application updates in Sailfish. It works for me. Play services you can update from Jolla Android Store.

Thanks! Play Services updated via Jolla Android Store.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aspergerguy (Post 1537411)

Very easy to obtain older versions of Play Store via Aptoide, although remember you still have to accept "Update" to install 7.3.25.K if you are on 4.5.10

How do I accept the update?

I used this code to prevent Play Store from updating:

Code:

touch /opt/alien/data/app/com.android.vending-1.apk

chattr +i /opt/alien/data/app/com.android.vending-1.apk

klinglerware

2017-10-21 15:50

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I can confirm that Opera VPN + Travelex card purchased in the USA works.

For others based in the US, did you flash Sailfish X on top of the USA-localized android firmware image, or on top of the generic image linked in the Linux installation guide thread?

oenone

2017-10-21 17:36

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by klinglerware (Post 1537414)

And exactly why would you want to use the USA-localised Android firmware instead of what the community recommends?

klinglerware

2017-10-21 17:48

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by oenone (Post 1537416)

And exactly why would you want to use the USA-localised Android firmware instead of what the community recommends?

I don't. But since US telecoms deploy a breathtaking patchwork of LTE bands specific to North America where the required band may differ from region to region even on the same provider, I am hoping not to do anything to break compatibility or degrade performance in accessing my provider's network.

P.S. Most of the community doesn't live in the US. Which is why I am asking for the experiences of our American community members if there are US-specific issues we need to watch out for

Heik	2017-10-21 19:30

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by asa (Post 1537413)

Thanks! Play Services updated via Jolla Android Store.

How do I accept the update?

I used this code to prevent Play Store from updating:

Code:

touch /opt/alien/data/app/com.android.vending-1.apk

chattr +i /opt/alien/data/app/com.android.vending-1.apk

I am not good in Linux, but with

Code:

chattr -i /opt/alien/data/app/com.android.vending-1.apk

you again allow changes in com.android.vending-1.apk,
and you are able to remove or phone is able to update it.

Those who know better, can correct me. :-)

oenone

2017-10-21 22:49

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by klinglerware (Post 1537417)

The concern is real what with what seems to be standards followed by the United States of America (with Canada and Mexico in tow plus maybe a few other nations) and The Rest of the World in regards to many things like vehicle safety and emissions standards, electricity generation, product safety standards, and radio-magnetic frequency utilization.

There have been no reports of issues with Sailfish X connections in the USA using the community recommended firmware.

Fun fact: The original Jolla works in Canada (some regions like Toronto and Montreal and some carriers like Rogers and Videotron) with 2G for voice and 4G for data. No 3G. The switching from 4G to 3G (oops, no 3G, let's look on 2G) to 2G takes ages so by the time the device switches through a decade-and-a-half of network technology the network has already given up and either the attempt to call is dropped or the incoming call is redirected to voicemail. But it otherwise works if the switching is done pre-emptively and manually.

klinglerware

2017-10-21 23:08

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I appreciate the response. I will go ahead and try the linux install using the recommended files.

Regarding US standards: it's frustrating that Jolla does not put in more (i.e., any) effort in the North American market. But I can't say I blame them with our different telecommunications standards and requirements. The carrier-centric model of phone purchasing in the USA (Americans are used to buying their phones subsidized in conjunction with a phone service contract) makes it difficult for phones to make headway in this market without carrier partnership. Sadly, it is what it is.

deprecated

2017-10-22 02:54

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I'm in the US on T-Mobile and 4G/LTE works great. I'm in Chicago, so my area is typically heavily congested, but everything works well.

For the record, I flashed on top of the latest Emma image (coming from the community build, I just wanted to make sure). I flashed a EU version on accident (I was still on my Finland VPN, so Emma populated based on that) but everything still works as it should. I don't think there are any region issues.

ste-phan

2017-10-22 03:53

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I am going to purchase a second hand F5122 (only one available here in Vietnam) and give Sailfish X a go for the sole purpose of adding another one to the count.

Due to being behind with other works I came to dislike digging up procedures from forum based on "just read this thread" rules and the prospect of having to spent hours just to flash the phone OS.

Is there already a complete and up to date step by step guide here or on together.jolla.com?

Starting with "how to know if bootloader can be unlocked"
via DRM key backup (optional)
to Flash officially via Windows
or unofficially via Linux / Mac OS with warnings?

Normally I am not lazy but I think this guide is really really needed.

Edit: This looks like a good base. Many thanks to the author.

https://together.jolla.com/question/...lash-on-linux/

KylliOrvokki

2017-10-22 08:16

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1537439)

Is there already a complete and up to date step by step guide here or on together.jolla.com?

Yes. There is official instruction which is really good one.
https://jolla.com/sailfishxinstall/

So instructions I used:

1. backup DRM keys (OPTIONAL)
http://sailfishmods.de/2017/07/howto...ys-bootloader/ (I used this guide translate google com ..)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...ria-x-t3590476

2. Install SailfishX
https://jolla.com/sailfishxinstall/
(if mac or linux use together with this. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...78&postcount=1 )

Voila.

Dave999

2017-10-22 10:43

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I hate sailfish browsers. fails every day and dont do the tasks I need like show web pages. what a **** show!

how can anyone use this a as a reliable browser...o

piece of **** software deluxe! I had enough of it.

atlochowski

2017-10-22 12:28

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1537457)

There is a solution. Webcat. https://openrepos.net/content/llelectronics/webcat

Dave999

2017-10-22 13:14

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by atlochowski (Post 1537459)

There is a solution. Webcat. https://openrepos.net/content/llelectronics/webcat

been there done that. were out shopping and was looking for some things. menu doesent open in wecat. filter doesn't apply to search.

its like using a browser from 2005.

pichlo

2017-10-22 15:26

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1537457)

That is interesting. I have tried every mobile browser under the sun including on my kids' Android tablets and ended up returning to Sailfish Browser with the tail between my legs every single time. It is tbe onky browser that just about works.

mariusmssj

2017-10-22 15:31

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1537465)

I wouldn't go as far but compared to windows phone and android browsers that I have use the sailfishOS one is not that bad.

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