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Re: I'm really starting to hate my N800.

well i'm glad that some people understand and apperciate my opinion sometimes since I like to share my experiences. People on the forum have to understand that its not a personal attack, it sometimes sounds to me like people are having to prove to themselves that it was money worth spending when anyone has a negative remark, sometimes they'll get defensive with my negative experiences. Even though I have sold my tablets I flick over to the forums once a week or so to see if new improvements have been made or to see what problems people are running into. I don't hate nokia, i was actually going to buy a n95 8GB(still might), however I've decided to wait for next years touch screen symbian smartphones from nokia - might still buy it if the price drops down to $395 like the original n95 did. Nokia N95 8GB with Eeepc and my desktop at home is a sweet rig to me.

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Originally Posted by Beni (Post 104355)

Those aren't major things. I could live with those alone. The N800 is suppose to be a Internet Tablet, it goes on the internet pretty well and probably is the best portable internet device. However, if you are trying to do anything practical, it is very very slow. Browsing on these forums for example on the N800 is slow.. it stutters when using the "drag scrolling". It is somewhat better when just pressing and holding down on the D-Pad, but then it becomes unresponsive then just keeps on scrolling even when you are not pressing anymore.

This is the fault of the webmonkey site designers and their customers and even Microsoft. When http came out, you could browse any site just fine on a 33mhz computer. But no, feature-itis and bloat and some very bad ideas were allowed to take over the web world, and now browsers require tens to hundreds of megabytes of memory to display several pages. Web sites now bog down gigahertz-cpus. This is not the fault of Nokia.

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Originally Posted by Beni (Post 104355)

Sure it has a webcam. However, its usefullness is almost none since you can't use it to talk to people that are on PC's (Skype, AIM, etc). Since its bound to Tablets alone, the webcam is useless. Not to mention that its put in such a poor place that you have to angle yourself just to get a full frame.

Agree, more standardization for video chat has been slow to arrive. This is the realm of the video-chat market players, not the fault of Nokia.

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Originally Posted by Beni (Post 104355)

The "Media" features in it are poor as well.... I assume that the N800 would be able to play these video's without me having to do anything.

Again the source of the problem is the fact that everybody and his dog is creating new video formats, selling software for it, and often locking it down with patents. Check this out.
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/codecs-status.html
That's just what mplayer supports. Chances are you won't even read through that list, not to mention spending hundreds of hours to research legality, write codecs, etc. The mplayer team has been working on their project for many, many years. If you understood video you would realize, this is not the fault of Nokia.

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Originally Posted by Beni (Post 104355)

First I try to play a video of a Mac and PC commercial. On mPlayer it stutters horribly, so I cancel that out. On the official media player, I have better results. Seemingly it plays perfectly for the first 15 seconds or so, then it starts stuttering extremely, then when I try to do anything it says that its unresponsive so I close out of that. I learned from this experience that the N800 is useless for any non-transcoded videos.

1) Yes there are video formats that are problematic. 2) A lot of videos won't play on 400mhz Pentiums without hardware acceleration. 3) Your conclusion that because *some* videos do not play that the N800 is useless for any non-transcoded videos is incorrect. The N800 can play millions of non-transcoded videos - just not every video. This is not the fault of Nokia.

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Originally Posted by Beni (Post 104355)

Supposedely when OS2008 is complete and not in beta, is should fix many of the issues that I talked about such as crashing programs, smoother internet performance and more. It is also good that Canola 2 will be coming out which will bring a nicer media experience.

OS2008 won't magically make the above listed issues go-away.

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Originally Posted by Beni (Post 104355)

Anyway, the point of this post is that Nokia needs to work on their software.

For the reasons I listed above, the problems you mentioned are indeed due to crap software - written by the webmonkeys and the computing industry at large. There are a few areas where Nokia could realistically improve things. Compressing 10,000 man-years of software development into a 2-year time frame in order to meet infinite expectations is not one of them.

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Originally Posted by Beni (Post 104355)

(Perhaps an Asus Eee?)

I have a notebook too. Mine doesn't suck like the Eee though.

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Originally Posted by lny98 (Post 104475)

As to the quote above: Where is that Opera input.ini file? How can I get there, and what should I use for the editor? In fact, how does one find a particular file via name without going to a command prompt?

The file is where I said: .opera/input.ini
You need xterm installed. When you open xterm it's available as .opera/input.ini which means that it's in the home directory, the absolute path is /home/user/.opera/input.ini
You'll need to edit it with the 'vi' editor. This is a modal editor which is probably best to google for to get a list of the few commands needed to operate it, I'll just mention one thing here specifically: The 'escape' key on the N800 is the hardware button with the little curved arrow.

One of these days I may put together a tiny little deb which would patch that file when installing. That would make it simpler I guess.

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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 104731)

TA-t3: Thanks. Funny thing, I'm slightly familiar with unix, I did look around for the file... didn't realize that the '.' files are invisible to the file manager.

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Originally Posted by lny98 (Post 104790)

TA-t3: Thanks. Funny thing, I'm slightly familiar with unix, I did look around for the file... didn't realize that the '.' files are invisible to the file manager.

Allow me to recommend Canoe

http://maemo.lancode.de/

as a "real" file manager, instead of that cr*p Nokia stuffed down our digital throats.

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Originally Posted by HAC (Post 104544)

Nope, IBM VM/370 VM/ESA, although I have operated VAX and VMS systems..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VM/370

:o
Maybe I should search next time, instead of assuming all that I don't know must be a typo.
I meant "MVS" should be VMS, actually, having heard of VM. I'd not heard of MVS before (just searched it now), but had heard of its successor, OS/390. Which, I am told, has the distinction of being the only UNIX (SUS) not based on AT&T UNIX.

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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 104731)

You'll need to edit it with the 'vi' editor. This is a modal editor which is probably best to google for to get a list of the few commands needed to operate it, I'll just mention one thing here specifically: The 'escape' key on the N800 is the hardware button with the little curved arrow.

Well, you could install JOE from http://www.opbyte.it/maemo/
It's also my favored editor on the desktop, but even if you have no experience, I think you will find less frustration this way. It's a much more friendly (= modeless) editor.
Even though the site says it's for 2006, it works fine on 2007. JOE's only dependency is libc.

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