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Re: Why Symbian OS is so not friendly at all? How is Maemo?

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Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 302814)

To erase the contacts during the upgrade and make all the installations not running it is simply not ok.[/B]

Bug Nokia always tells you to backup all data before a firmware update for the N95. It was their mantra until the latest handsets got UDR (user data retention).

Re: Why Symbian OS is so not friendly at all? How is Maemo?

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Originally Posted by mgoebel (Post 302820)

>> > To erase the contacts during the upgrade and
>> > make all the installations not running it is simply not ok.

Bug Nokia always tells you to backup all data before a firmware update for the N95. It was their mantra until the latest handsets got UDR (user data retention).

Forget the contacts. This can be backuped.

But, the existing installations are affected by the upgrade. Existing installations will disappear and all the applications need to be re-installed. Why re-installed solution, does not make any sense, but this is how symbian works, it will try to re-install your applications. And this applies to new devices with UDR (user data retention).

After this none of my old Java applications are running, just few s60 applications were successfully reinstalled, so many, many applications are lost. This applies even if you backup your data. So, after upgrade, some of your installations will be lost.

Re: Why Symbian OS is so not friendly at all? How is Maemo?

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Originally Posted by Kozzi (Post 302793)

I have 6 games and 20+ applications installed on my 5800. Once, I did a reset on my phone and used Ton Ren AutoSisInstaller to install all needed auto-install all sis files I put in one folder.

This means you saved manually your downloaded "sis" file in one of your custom folders.
But if you install applications from OVI store directly on the device, the download and installation process in ovi is behind the courtins for you, so you don't have access to the downloaded sis or jar file to save it somewhere. So this is how after a device update you might loose paid applications and more over, ovi does not let you re-install the paid app even on the same device (AppStore lets you install on 5 devices, the same Android store)...

Re: Why Symbian OS is so not friendly at all? How is Maemo?

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Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 302802)

Yes. I plan to buy N900. This is why I ask people and Nokia here how is the Maemo OS compared with Symbian at these key features:

1) AppManager to not stop working (yes, some installs or uninstalls it is acceptable to fail, but not the manager itself).
2) App compatibility between OS versions and sub-versions (and devices)
3) Existence of secret APIs (device APIs) which break the compatibility
4) Number of firmwares per year for a device
5) update process to be OTA and to keep the user data (contacts, installed applications)

I haven't the knowledge to give those answers, but I venture a comment.
( I am just an end user with general, but almost no programming, knowledge.)
From half a year of reading a great deal on this forum in order to learn about the OS and the hardware, my impression is that you should have positive expectations.

As to OS compatibility, the OS for the N900 (Fremantle) will not be compatible with the OS for the N810/800, the devices having somewhat different hardware.
BUT, the Mer project, supported by Nokia, builds an OS for the N8x0 tablets with as much as possible from Fremantle included. (See about Mer in it's thread and on wiki.maemo.org.)

I use a simple Symbian S60 v.3 phone, and a Nokia N810.
If the N900 is similar enough, I hope to be able to afford it !

With Symbian I had some of your problems, and a few others.
I have had no negative experiences with the N810 OS, so long as I haven't experimented to wildly.
Installing a few dozen apps from the standard sources and uninstalling many of them has been a breeze with only one misbehaving app.
The app. manager has done it all, except for one app. under developement, where I had to install a library from the command line, well guided by the developer.

Symbian: I missed apps for longer notes and texts.
N810: I miss a PIM suite, but I guess it will be ready for the N900.
What I miss: Phone+Tablet mutually syncronized.

Re: Why Symbian OS is so not friendly at all? How is Maemo?

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Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 302321)

Symbian is a big pain. [snip rest of rant]

Seriously, are you a professional troll?

Re: Why Symbian OS is so not friendly at all? How is Maemo?

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 302881)

Seriously, are you a professional troll?

Almost as bad as a professional Qole...

Thank god we don't have OH SNAP WE DO!

I have never used Symbian, and I really don't think it reflects Maemo's quality. Maemo has been a great OS, not really any major problems. I mean, yeah its not perfect, and its really a hacker's device at heart, but its great.

So please STOP ranting about how shitty Symbian is. Symbian is not Maemo.

Re: Why Symbian OS is so not friendly at all? How is Maemo?

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Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 302824)

That's interesting to hear about Ovi store, well I usually keep my serial numbers somewhere safe for later use though. Ovi store has a tab called "My Stuff" there I can find everything I have downloaded, wonder if it works the same way as on Android and Appstore. IMO the chance of loosing paid applications after update is quite minimal as I haven't yet seen it happening with those who own 5800.

Re: Why Symbian OS is so not friendly at all? How is Maemo?

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Originally Posted by lma (Post 302748)

>> I want to know about the upgrade experience on N810. How many firmware updates did you have since N810 was released?

I have these in my firmware downloads directory:

Code:

RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin

RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin

RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin

RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin

RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin

RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin

>> How is Nokia updater software for NIT?

There's a Windows flashing tool but I've never used it. The command line version is documented here. You can also upgrade in-place (the so called SSU updates) which is theoretically easier but there have been problems in the past and if you upgrade by flashing the binaries are pre-linked and load faster.

>> How easy is to install/remove an application - do you have a sort of "Control Panel Add/Remove App" or like "AppManager" in Symbian?

Yes, it's called the Hildon Application Manager, but more importantly the underlying technology is apt, which handles dependencies and such automatically for you.

>> What is the compatibility between Maemo OS versions because the compatibility of Symbian OS versions is simply awful?

Could be better. So far every new major release meant programs had to be recompiled, and certain parts of the code (mainly UI) "ported" to the new version. Maemo 4.x to Maemo 5 is going to be a large break in compatibility, and Maemo 5 to Maemo 6 a huge one.

If Maemo 6 based on Qt will be released before Symbian^4 which is also based on Qt and it will be released at the end of 2011, then maybe Nokia will focus more on Maemo for its devices than on Symbian, which makes more sense, at least for smartphones.

1) How different is Qt C++ and Visual C++ as basic language, and as libraries they base on?

2) On what distrib is Android linux OS based? Debian, Fedora, Slackware, ...? Maemo being Debian.

3) If compared Debian, Fedora, Slackware, etc, what is the diffrence on the architecture (APIs / libraries / components)?

Re: Why Symbian OS is so not friendly at all? How is Maemo?

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Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 302817)

where they simply say all the existing applications of Maemo 3, 4 and 5 made with Hildonized Gtk+ will stop working in Maemo 6.

Am I the only one who understood that announcement as Hildon/GTK stuff will not be UPDATED but not broken ? As in it will work, but look weird, out-of-place or sorts (as do non-hildonized things now).

Re: Why Symbian OS is so not friendly at all? How is Maemo?

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 303016)

No, I completely agree with you, as a example look at Canola, this app survived to several interactions of maemo, and is built upon a community supported UI toolkit (EFL), it can also happen for the Hildon/GTK apps around :rolleyes: