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Re: How can we encourage iPhone developers to develop on Maemo?

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Originally Posted by timoph (Post 311748)

After that it comes down to being easy and I think Qt is a good move to get Maemo development a bit easier. You can get started with it quite fast. Then again there's always python..

Maemo also needs a working and easy to use modern IDE. The SDK should be a breeze to install and so on.

python... that's what I'm trying to make understand to all :D

Re: How can we encourage iPhone developers to develop on Maemo?

I" want an easy development environment."

"I want to make an amazing app and made money from that."

A lot of developers won't make the jump if they don't get this. Never understimate the lazyness of the average Joe.

Re: How can we encourage iPhone developers to develop on Maemo?

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 311751)

Sports Tracker, GMail and Google Maps in S60 are cool as well. These apps as free as in beer.

Google wants their services everywhere :)

If Maemo becomes a more spread platform with a lot of people using these devices, Google will be more than happy to write these applications.

I really would like to have a native GMail client, GMaps (with latitude support), ecc.... I think you already know how/if starting a commercial collaboration with them.

Re: How can we encourage iPhone developers to develop on Maemo?

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Originally Posted by nwerneck (Post 311790)

To make the development easier, one first suggestion is making emacs run as easily as is advertised in the tutorial!... :mad: :p

I would not like to see Maemo turn into the iPhone. I don't want DRMs and all that stuff. I want a GNU machine with one or two "proprietary binary blobs" here and there for convenience of our free lives in this proprietary world (that means flash support and device drivers). A Debian machine with the non-free repo added, just like my desktop machine is! If that turns down companies and developers who I don't like, such as Micros~1, I see that as a positive thing.

It's wrong to ask for more users and more developers before thinking about what applications we would like to see. I liked to hear from qgil that he likes the ocarina iphone application! I was looking for a project to start, and I do know something about signal processing and about ocarinas as well (my girlfriend even brought me one from Chile a few months ago). I am seriously considering to start a Maemo Ocarina application right now! ;)

Myself, I haven't been missing anything. I would just like the hardware to be upgraded, and the current applications to keep being enhanced...

But I have a testimonial to give you. I get sad and then angry when all my iPhone-loving friends say that my N800 has nothing of special or interesting. They all come wanting to pinch my screen to see if the pictures will zoom, they laugh at the lack of animations while I browse through my albums... And if I show them something the NITs do that iPhones don't, thay say it's unimportant. Like, you know, MULTITASKING.

I get upset. But I have suffered this kind of prejudice all my life, and I'm quickly getting over it. No, I don't want to attract the iPhone developers, just as I don't want to attract "the average joe" to Linux.

See, using free software is a bit of an act of heroism. You don't ask people to be heroes, you just present them the situation and let them take the decision to act heroically. So I stopped trying to convince people to use Linux a long time ago, and I'm not going to try to convince people to buy Nokia's tablets.

I am sure this is very bad PR for Nokia. But that's not my problem! I will love to see more Linux based tablets coming. But if it's not economically viable, and Nokia gives up, that's just my bad luck. I am happy now with my N800. I would like to have another machine to make me happy in the future. But if Maemo turns into something similar to the iPhone, that won't make me happy anymore, and I'll just have to be looking for the next N800...

Back in the good old days some people would make the hardware, and some other would make the software. If Nokia puts itself as a hardware provider to me, and let me easily install mer or whatever, then we'll be friends for a long time. If they start to force me into the jailbreaking nonsense, I'm outta here.

I close up with a very popular poem:

Heartbeats they were racin'
Freedom he was chasin'
Spotlights, sirens, rifles firing
But he made it out
With a bullet in his back

I agree with you.

But nobody seems interested by ideas in Reply #29 of this thread ?
#29

Re: How can we encourage iPhone developers to develop on Maemo?

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 311747)

@icbolsh: my guess is, before the app is passed around, there would be attempt to disable\remove the ad mechanism if there isn't a protection scheme in place.

@ysss: I think is okay if it is removable if you have the knowledge. But if the platform is popular and there is a lot of end users that don't have that knowledge, ability and concern, then there would still be a lot of exposure for the add.
for instance: there are a lot of free templates for websites, but they have the companies emblem on them at the bottom for their exposer. You can remove it if you have the knowledge to change the script, but since it is small and a lot of people don't have the knowledge to change it(total guess, maybe 80 percent), they just let it stay and the company gets what they want. I take the time to remove it and I get what I want. Both are happy.
I'm just saying there are a lot of free things out there where the advertising that actually pays for it.

Re: How can we encourage iPhone developers to develop on Maemo?

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 311797)

You egocentric prics :D

There's a battlefield to be won out there. If you care about keeping the spirit of opensource and all that it stands alive, you'll have to think about how to get it mainstream where it CAN MAKE REAL CHANGES.

That is the point, there is no war.

There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving and that is your own self. --- Aldous Huxley

Be the change you want to see in the world. --- Ghandi

The only way something gets mainstream is people falling in love for it. We can't push OpenOffice down everybody's throats. IBM got big because they seduced their millions of customers somehow.

The auspicious path is we keep developing our platform here. If it's good, some day people will acknowledge that, and start to use the thing.

Unless... I would like to know from Nokia: do we have to be afraid about Maemo and the NITs fail if they don't gather more users soon? Or have we actually found a nice and honest niche product that can continue to exist even tough it doesn't have millions of users?... Are we in that situation of having to grow not to die? (In portuguese we sometimes say a company has to "crescer para não morrer".)

Today there is no war. There is just people opting out for one or another product, and we are lucky enough that the companies are managing to offer different products to different people. Is that scenario at risk? In this case, then I can agree we could try to do something to make the NITs more pop. Unless it's "selling out" too much. In this case I would try to move on to something like Pandora, I don't know....

Re: How can we encourage iPhone developers to develop on Maemo?

@nwerneck: and Nokia is a robin hood type selfless charity that tries to raise opensource fund by selling low-mid level mobile phones to fund your altruistic movement? wake up :D

Re: How can we encourage iPhone developers to develop on Maemo?

Ysss, ce n'est pas avec cet état d'esprit quôn vas avancer.

Always have large company like big evil is not the best of things.

Nokia, with the choice of free, shows that it leaves the choice to the people to participate in the products and not just consume.

And this proves one thing: At Nokia, among the employee, there are good people.

Re: How can we encourage iPhone developers to develop on Maemo?

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 311830)

@nwerneck: and Nokia is a robin hood type selfless charity that tries to raise opensource fund by selling low-mid level mobile phones to fund your altruistic movement? wake up :D

I never said that. I am saying that it might be the case that the NITs as they are now can perhaps be profitable enough to justify the product existence and keep my egocentric derrière happy. I am not a robin hood altruist myself, I'm a hedonistic bastard. I don't really care if Nokia is making money, I want to know if they will build more devices like the N800 in the future, and cheaper, so I can buy them while my friends keep buying that expansive and feeble iMtireds.

Unless you tell me the NITs can go extinct unless more people start buying it, I won't care about attracting Joe the Plumber and Aunt Tillie to use it.

Will the price drop if more people start using it? Will it drop if iPhone users move to it? or will it get as much expansive as an iPhone?

Now, maybe the Nokia people need a new yatch or something. And they decide they will try to use Maemo to get more users... Why not letting them decide alone what would be the strategic move? Can we users and third party developers really help them? Should we really care? Are we sure, for example, that prices might drop if we help them really hard?

Re: How can we encourage iPhone developers to develop on Maemo?

@korbe: Ok, let me just rephrase it differently.
Nokia is not in the 'opensource business' solely for opensource's sake.
Surely they see this as an investment, an incubation project to grow an opensource OS that can be used on their products because they're not in the OS business. AND if you understand this part, then you'd see that going mainstream (and succeeding) is in the symbiotic interest of both the community and nokia. Unless, this niche can grow big enough, to be profitable enough to sustain the niche's dream.