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Re: Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

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Originally Posted by drizek (Post 317953)

Yes, it isn't pixel count, it is pixel density. Most phones have about the same sensor size though, so there isn't much difference in comparing count and density. Yes, it is true that a giant sensor with a ton of megapixels slooks better, but high pixel density does lead to a reduction in many aspects of picture quality. Most important is the addition of noise, but the other major issue is the reduction in dynamic range.

Here's an example (images shamelessly taken from dpreview):

http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/So...o1600_crop.jpg http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/Ni...o1600_crop.jpg

Basic characteristics:
- Same camera manufacturer (Nikon)
- Same sensor size (APS-C)
- Same ISO (1600)
- Same lenses
- Release dates differing by less than a year

And here's the kicker. The LEFT one is a 12 megapixel camera. The RIGHT one is a 6 megapixel camera. That's right. The 12 megapixel one delivers better resolution with clearly LESS noise. Yes, of course that advantage comes with a hefty price tag, but demonstrates quite clearly that you should draw no conclusions just based on paper specs and technological speculations.

Edit: Note that this, of course, does not mean that ALL 12 mpix chips are better than 6 mpix ones.

Re: Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

I have an idea, let's make a whole bunch of seperate threads about the N900!

Re: Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

Yet if we go back to dpreview and read the review of the 15mp Canon G10 compared to the 10mp Panasonic LX3, this is what they have to say.

At ISO 400:

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Even at this low-ish sensitivity setting the Canon and Nikon have surrendered most, if not all, their resolution advantage. The LX3's output still closely resembles its base ISO quality with a touch more noise and some of the softness that noise reduction tends to bring beginning to creep in. However, the other two cameras are clearly having to resort to extreme measures with much more prominent noise appearing in the Nikon's image and fairly heavy noise reduction smearing the G10's output (and with sharpening artifacts showing an attempt to crisp the image back up). At a consistent output size, the results are likely to look identical but that begs the question - what do those extra megapixels achieve?

At ISO 1600

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It was never going to be pretty but there are some pretty unpleasant results here. The G10's noise reduction has obliterated most of the detail in its image and hammered the contrast too. For fans of watercolors, perhaps? The Nikon has made an even bigger mess of things, peppering its image with white speckling and producing unsightly yellow blotches across other parts of the image.

And, although the LX3's image isn't exactly a paragon of image quality, it's hard not to conclude that it's producing the best results at this point. There's all the noise and noise reduction degradation you'd expect of a compact camera working at this sensitivity setting, but it's balanced the two well and produced a good compromise result, retaining some detail and producing the most accurate color of the three.

See for yourself: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonG10/page19.asp

Re: Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

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Originally Posted by drizek (Post 318025)

Yet if we go back to dpreview and read the review of the 15mp Canon G10 compared to the 10mp Panasonic LX3, this is what they have to say.

Sigh. I never disputed that. I'm just saying you're jumping to conclusions with regard to the megapixel-image quality relation. Saying phones should not have more than one or two megapixels in 2009 is an anachronism (I have a 2mpix Nokia dumbphone and it produces absolutely useless photos when compared to a Nseries). If you want to complain, complain about the LED flash (say, I'd rather have 3mpix+xenon than 5mpix+led).

Re: Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

Your 2mp Nokia is ****, that doesn't mean all 2mp cameras are ****. The image I posted in the previous page was 1.3mp, taken with what I assume is just a plain point and shoot by the same person as the N900 photos and it looks far better and far sharper than the 5mp pictures from the N900. megapixels and image quality absolutely are related. Smaller pixels are less accurate, this leads to noise and a loss of dynamic range.

I do not consider 3mp a downgrade. In fact, I would rather have 3mp and LED than 5mp and xenon.

I am not saying I want the iPhone camera in the Nokia, I am saying that Nokia should have used hte same size sensor, the same lens, but lowered the megapixel count to improve high iso photography.

Re: Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

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Originally Posted by drizek (Post 318055)

...and it looks far better and far sharper than the 5mp pictures from the N900.

And we just were told that a lot of the photos were not taken with the N900 and that they were prototypes. Still too early to decide on what looks better... so... can we just close this thread until the actual final N900s make it out?

Re: Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

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Originally Posted by drizek (Post 318055)

I am not saying I want the iPhone camera in the Nokia, I am saying that Nokia should have used hte same size sensor, the same lens, but lowered the megapixel count to improve high iso photography.

Are you saying Nokia should go back to the cameras they used 4 years ago? Nokia is a leader in mobile photography, and the reason they've used 5 megapixels is they've spent years developing processing and figured how to raise pixel count and image quality at the same time. I am of the school to say their new 8 megapixel cameraphone is the best cameraphone on the market, with unmatched low light images.

Re: Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

Where's Dr. Tran when you need him? He's a world reknowned imaging expert. Ask him about the quality of Nokia Nseries flagship cameras. Check his flckr account for high quality photos from a N95

Re: Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

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Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 318569)

Where's Dr. Tran when you need him? He's a world reknowned imaging expert. Ask him about the quality of Nokia Nseries flagship cameras. Check his flckr account for high quality photos from a N95

I hated the pic quality of my n95. My wifes Iphone took far better pictures, even with different photographers. Anyway, I guess pic quality is very subjective. However, I think we can almost all agree the pic quality on the n800 and n810 is sub-par.

Re: Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

jandmdickerson,
maybe you don't know how to use the N95's camera well. You are the first person to say the N95 took worse photos than the iPhone.

I suggest you look at Dr. Tran's Flickr page to see the great things he does with Nokia cams. And then ask yourself what the heck you've done wrong...