Re: How bad is the mail client...
 

I'm Dave to my friends, and I do get on a bit don't I?

Thanks for that.

I think you'd be better served by addressing individual problems with individual brainstorms. Lumping many issues together is likely to become something of an unstructured mess.

I'd be proud if I produced Modest, so - sure. Modest is usable now, it's easy to navigate and generally a good early effort - its first appearance was in diablo, right? That much said, I'd certainly agree that there is room for improvement. I share your frustration with new mail notification, and wish for imap-idle support (really, a tinymail issue) and other things.

Re: How bad is the mail client...
 

The email client on n900 is one of the most primitive email client I have ever seen so far. It useless as a email client for official use. It lacks many features and almost sounds like a toy. The only this good about it is it integration with Maemo on n900. It does not come any close to the email client on my 3 year old Blackberry. Its a real shame to Nokia to launch a high end mobile with such useless email client.

Re: How bad is the mail client...
 

these are all true for my hotmail account. but im not sure what #5 is...

Re: How bad is the mail client...
 

Come on, bring the constructive criticism. Bashing is blah. Instead: What functions would you like to see? Which ones do you miss most often?

Re: How bad is the mail client...
 

Nerds around? How bad?
This bad.

Some brainstorms:
http://maemo.org/community/brainstor...n_imap_server/
http://maemo.org/community/brainstor..._email_client/
http://maemo.org/community/brainstor...inbox-folders/
http://maemo.org/community/brainstor...ng_operations/

But I don't know. Imho sometimes it's just better to grab n+1 competitor devices (and also your own :P) and first just dumb combine best features of these and after that start really brainstorming on how to take it to another level :|

Re: How bad is the mail client...
 

I come from the E90 and there i had profimail.
And man what is that program way better then Modest. Its not even close but a very wide gap.

Of course it is for me the most part is Imap-Idle, not using the sent folder on the server also the user interface is something that i dont like. Why for example does the send button scroll outside of the screen (yes i know ctrl-enter will also work) and instead of the most important button (send) we have completely unimportant buttons on the screen for altering text (size,bold) those are a waste of space! never use them at all!

And this one for me also (for others it is just the reversed i think but make it a preference) i want to alter the font size of the list to way way way smaller, Why can i only see 5 entries?? If i open tmo in the browser i see way more topics in 1 screen, including much more info (like the first line of an email i already want to be able to read).
Also when i am in a mail, and i delete a mail, i don't want to go to the next (or previous) mail! i want to go back to the list.

Also it generates way to much traffic, if i send/receive an account and i dont get any new emails then it did tranfer more the 300KB of traffic. I dont mind that to much when i am in my own country. But in a foreign country that it really expensive. With my E90 and profimail, i just had profimail in a imap-idle configuration and that didnt generate much traffic at all. (the mobile java gmail client is even way better! there i can read many many mails and i only have 60-100kb of traffic)
It seems that modest does get constantly all the id's of all my mails in the inbox.
and i guess thats also the thing that makes Modest slow to use. it has to handle all that stuff.

I also want preferences how many mails it should keep in the inbox (or any folder)
something like i it can store the last 500 subjects (per folder) and the last 100 it can cache the whole message including body.
A preference what to do with new mails (only get the message subject or get the whole message)

If needed i can go on and on. Problem is that that for a mobile computer i expected that email was on the same level as the browser or the IM (those last 2 are really great but the Modest is the worst part even more worse in my eyes the Ovi Maps 1.0)

Re: How bad is the mail client...
 

You hit the nail on the head. In the past, I have attempted to debug Modest and my findings indicated that a lot of traffic was caused by same queries (such as asking the server for the list of folders it knew about) being issued over and over again for no apparent reason.

This is clearly not going to improve performance...

BTW, the brainstorm to log improvements to Modest is now open for "solutions" entries.

Re: How bad is the mail client...
 

I concur...

I can even say that modest is nearly the sole reason I don't take my N900 with me on daily basis... relegated to a nightstand duty.

Re: How bad is the mail client...
 

Modest suffers the same disease as calendar, no full-text search..

This renders both apps close to unusable for business use.

emails are stored as individual files in N900's fs, so tracker (that currently indexes only filenames) or recoll/beagle port could index email contents for search.

Search needs to track changes in emails, ie. add new mails to index and delete deleted mail content.

Search should give results grouped/ordered by user config and list enough content/email metadata + link to open the actual mail from search results.

Re: How bad is the mail client...
 

N-series should not even be used in business context or actually it was not designed to be used. e-series is for business usage. This is how Nokia intended this, but (sadly) they didn't probably understand that people who enjoy social media and multimedia capabilities of this device go to also work :|

.edit
If i correctly remember there is some brainstorm about search:
For email:
http://maemo.org/community/brainstor..._email_client/
calendar:
http://maemo.org/community/brainstor...endar_in_n900/