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Karel Jansens 2007-02-21 15:17
Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 35822)
This talk about using/utilizing the PIM on the phone is in stark contradiction to what was at one stage implied by Ari: The phone is just a link to the network. So it can be really simple. (Ref. e.g. the blog he posted last year about that lipstick phone as an ideal phone.) I mean, what's the point of buying a rather expensive gadget like the N800 (expensive compared to "normal" phones), if you _also_ has to buy a **!@ "smartphone" too? Just to get access to something that should have been part of the N800 in the first place?

I've said it before: The ideal phone for me is a simple, small, bluetooth-enabled low-cost phone with long battery life (so black-and-white LCD screen is fine), which can stay in the pocket all the time except if somebody calls me on it. And these kind of phones don't have useful PIM apps. And the "PIM" in mid-range phones like my k700i is rubbish. And in my opinion phones are not the best place for PIMs anyway, it's much better to be able to use and looking up stuff at your N800 in front of you while you hold the phone at the ear (and for the same reason it's not a good idea to use the N800 as a generic phone, so I've never agreed with those reviewers complaining about the fact that it isn't a phone).
I want this too. But only if I can have 3.5g for free. Or at most for the price I now pay for my ADSL access.

Until then -- and that scenario is a long way off, believe me -- I want to be able to do everything offline if I choose to.

Karel Jansens 2007-02-21 15:20
Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fldude99 (Post 35824)
If I may put in my 2c here: I run a small ofc and hence am tied to my phone almost 24/7. After recognizing the limitation of a mid price cell (I use the SE W810i-great cell device btw) I decided I needed some sort of PDA for times out of ofc..the Cingular 8525 (HTC Tytn) appeared to be an awesome device-which it definitely is. So I get it on Cingular's 30 day trial, and use it for a couple of wks..and it is definitely a great tool and useful for my needs..especially for using "real" internet access when away from the ofc. However, I finally realized that for the actual time I needed the extra features of the 8525-it just didn't justify having to carry (or lug) such a "beast" of a device. I much prefer the little W810i and what I need it for 90% of the time in my shirt or pants pocket. So I returned the 8525..bought a N800 and when I need the "extra" feature of using "real" internet..I just get online if I'm in a wireless environment..or tether to my cell if not. The N800 is limited in it's PIM, but I find using my W810i for calendar..remind me of tasks..and contacts is perfectly fine..and since it is with me all the time as opposed to the N800, I don't think I'd use a PIM function on the N800 anyway. Anybody else with similar experience? I think the N800 does what it does well and in my opinion a cellphone-even midrange priced ones-manage contacts and calendar functions in a satisfactory way.
I totally agree with the "the phone holds the PIM" philosophy, but we have this amazing computer (that's the Internet Tablet, for those who weren't paying attention) that is much more capable of maintaining the PIM on the hone, so why not make the phone's PIM a mostly for-consulting PIM and the N800/770 its base-station?

TA-t3 2007-02-21 15:22
Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 
The calendar in my k700i doesn't seem to be able to set repeated calendar events, something I use all the time.. and GPE-Calendar for the N800 doesn't have a bi-weekly setting, so I can't use that one either.. in fact I'm still using my Palm T3 for all PIM stuff, I would prefer to use the N800 for this. 3 devices is 1 too many to drag, a small phone + 1 bigger is fine. But the T3 doesn't have a big enough display and has other network limitations, while a laptop is too big, the N800 is ideal but can't do what the T3 can do PIM-vise.. and then we're back to topic again. ;)

Seb Per 2007-02-21 15:29
Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 35820)
What exactly do you do with those Google apps (the precious few that work with the Internet Tablets' browsers, that is) when you find yourself out of internet reach? Can you even run them if there's no internet?

BTW: No, Google Docs and Spreadsheets don't even work with Opera.
That s exactly what I meant:
1) constant access to Internet is required - hence the need for a 3G phone
and/or
2) need to save a version locally (possible but with which sw to run on the IT) to manage then offline: dangerously confusing (where the hell was I: version 1.1.2.corrected_recorrected or 1.1.3_final_corrected? )

Thanks for confirming that Google Docs and Spreadsheets behave like Calendar with Opera.

One more deadend -so far- identified.

sapporobaby 2007-02-21 15:36
Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 
Another issue to consider along with the basic features is that the N800 is seen by most as a geeky developer device. It will NEVER gain mainstream popularity until someone gets serious and develops a simple, easy to use installer, and applications for the common man. After reading this forum and browsing the Maemo, I have also come to this conclusion that this is not a device for everyone simply because of the subscriber base. Hardly anything written is understandable by anyone other than developers or the somewhat closed community that surrounds the Internet Tablet platform.

I am considering simply putting my N800 on eBay and going back to a normal device where the forums are populated by less snobbish people and those who do not have a problem communicating to non-developers.

Seb Per 2007-02-21 15:41
Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fldude99 (Post 35824)
If I may put in my 2c here: I run a small ofc and hence am tied to my phone almost 24/7. After recognizing the limitation of a mid price cell (I use the SE W810i-great cell device btw) I decided I needed some sort of PDA for times out of ofc..the Cingular 8525 (HTC Tytn) appeared to be an awesome device-which it definitely is. So I get it on Cingular's 30 day trial, and use it for a couple of wks..and it is definitely a great tool and useful for my needs..especially for using "real" internet access when away from the ofc. However, I finally realized that for the actual time I needed the extra features of the 8525-it just didn't justify having to carry (or lug) such a "beast" of a device. I much prefer the little W810i and what I need it for 90% of the time in my shirt or pants pocket. So I returned the 8525..bought a N800 and when I need the "extra" feature of using "real" internet..I just get online if I'm in a wireless environment..or tether to my cell if not. The N800 is limited in it's PIM, but I find using my W810i for calendar..remind me of tasks..and contacts is perfectly fine..and since it is with me all the time as opposed to the N800, I don't think I'd use a PIM function on the N800 anyway. Anybody else with similar experience? I think the N800 does what it does well and in my opinion a cellphone-even midrange priced ones-manage contacts and calendar functions in a satisfactory way.
I have exactly the same experience. That's why I ll get the n95 when it s out because I ll get a small phone 3.5G + 5 Mpx cam with autofocus, the PIM. and HOPEFULLY the n800 and the n95 share the same charger... or I ll have to buy a heavy multicharger (not even sure it ll work).

the other solution for you would have been to have two sim cards for the same number (possible here in Finland, elsewhere I don't know) : one in your small phone one in your Tytn. But still have to update PIMs in both :(

Cheers, Seb

Seb Per 2007-02-21 15:49
Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sapporobaby (Post 35835)
Another issue to consider along with the basic features is that the N800 is seen by most as a geeky developer device. It will NEVER gain mainstream popularity until someone gets serious and develops a simple, easy to use installer, and applications for the common man. After reading this forum and browsing the Maemo, I have also come to this conclusion that this is not a device for everyone simply because of the subscriber base. Hardly anything written is understandable by anyone other than developers or the somewhat closed community that surrounds the Internet Tablet platform.

I am considering simply putting my N800 on eBay and going back to a normal device where the forums are populated by less snobbish people and those who do not have a problem communicating to non-developers.
hum... as a non-developper I agree that this forum gets sometimes difficult for me to follow (snobbish definitely not!) but there are other forums (or fora?) / support pages focusing on the n800 with more "user friendly" approach. Nokia has one.

S

TA-t3 2007-02-21 16:01
Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 
@sapporobaby:
Searching around Maemo may definitely be a bit cumbersome for "mainstream" users, but I can't see where the problem with the built-in installer is? The package manager has a few simple options, where one will update what's installed and another will list all packages available that could be installed. Not that big a list either, unless you have added a lot of repositories manually. In fact I think this is the simplest by far installer I've seen on any portable device -- it's usually much more work to get something installed on your general PDA or smartphone.

Seb Per 2007-02-21 16:27
Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 35826)
I want this too. But only if I can have 3.5g for free. Or at most for the price I now pay for my ADSL access.

Until then -- and that scenario is a long way off, believe me -- I want to be able to do everything offline if I choose to.
unless a major operator propose a solution enabling connecting to internet through any wifi cell respecting cost and privacy, constant access is 3G, 3.5G and Edge. Digital Radio is coming here, maybe that will also propose internet (like powerline here) N800 with its FM tuner (should it be digital) could then also connect.

You will get 3.5G for peanuts (starts to be cheap here) but I see a trouble on the horizon: when everyone will use VOIP coupled to WIFI (cheap or free), operators will have to increase subscription monthly fees like crazy. And don't count on the small operators because they re using the networks of the major ones.
Wimax can save (because it will introduce new competitors on the access to network) but we ll have to get a IT wimax at that time.

to do everything offline (if one choose to, which is I believe the best) one need apps offline. not on the IT ...yet.

sapporobaby 2007-02-21 17:31
Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 
Maybe snobbish was a bit strong, but sure it is like a clique of developers. This could be a great device but in many ways the community tends to turn people off. As an example, I had a few friends, one has the N800, and my wife, a Finn, try to go through the forum and see if they could find helpful hints. After just a few mins, they got frustrated and said that there is no way they would even bother to search for help here. This is not good as they are mainstream users, not techie types that only want a device that works. I am an engineer, not developer and feel that this forum is for sure slanted at developers and the users are sometimes left to fend for ourselves. For this device to take off, it has to appeal to the man in the street, not a closed group of users.

My $.02.


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