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jflatt 2010-06-08 01:03

Re: what has "open source" and "linux" phone/tablet maemo os brought us?
 
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Originally Posted by ZShakespeare (Post 704561)
you called me ignorant. Show me one sucessful open source product that is a commercial sucess, and isn't half finished. Just one.

This could possibly go down as the single dumbest comment in the entire history of the Internet

PradaBrada 2010-06-08 01:06

Re: what has "open source" and "linux" phone/tablet maemo os brought us?
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 704621)
Do they still qualify people as psychiatrists after they take one or two psych courses?

Most definitely, but one would still have to spend about 3000 hours of observation and contact in the looney bin to officially get the title.

ZShakespeare 2010-06-08 01:09

Re: what has "open source" and "linux" phone/tablet maemo os brought us?
 
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Originally Posted by baksiidaa (Post 704632)
OpenOffice.org, Blender, Ubuntu, . . .

Microsoft Office, 3DS MAX, Windows, MacOS X. none of these even amounts to anything of consequence. Next you will tell me that GIMP is serious competition for photoshop.

openoffice isn't even gpl, and Ubuntu doesn't run on any computers without proprietary drivers, and even then it runs poorly most of the time.

PradaBrada 2010-06-08 01:10

Re: what has "open source" and "linux" phone/tablet maemo os brought us?
 
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Originally Posted by baksiidaa (Post 704632)
OpenOffice.org, Blender, Ubuntu, . . .

Man, if there is one problem I have with open source software its the naming. I mean seriously, it just feels like those pieces of software got GIMP'd

woody14619 2010-06-08 01:11

Re: what has "open source" and "linux" phone/tablet maemo os brought us?
 
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Originally Posted by ZShakespeare (Post 704572)
I define finished as a product that works completely as advertised and has all the features, advantages, and benefits of a similar product in the market.

So, if someone gives you an answer, you just re-define your question? Nice going on that. You want one example of a "finished product" that does this and pulls in boat loads of money? I have one word for you: Google.

No, I'm not saying to look it up. I'm talking about the company as a whole. They offer tons of services (some "beta", some not), and make tons of money doing so. Check their stock numbers if you don't believe me.

Oh... And all of their servers run this silly OpenSource operating system called Linux. They've also been on a push recently to move the few remaining internal hold outs running Windows over to Linux, citing security concerns. And you may have heard about their recent dip into the mobile world, writing a free OpenSource phone OS called Android.

You did say you wanted just one example right? Because people have already given you like a dozen, and still you're on here whining making a douche of yourself by bad mouthing things, satirizing, and adding qualifiers. Just saying. If you wanted 15 examples, that's fine. But don't ask for "just one" and then balk when people give it to you.

Reality is OpenSource can be pretty stable and worthwhile. It can even be polished and snazzy. Check out FireFox some time. There are plenty of crappy, unfinished, busted close-sourced bits of software and hardware out there too. (Want an old Divx-Streamer box or a Zune player with the now defunct WMV drm junk on it?) Does that mean closed source is useless?

But then why would I try to debate with someone who's clearly already compromised their own standing by continuing to be illogical after their "just one example" is given...

wmarone 2010-06-08 01:14

Re: what has "open source" and "linux" phone os brought us?
 
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Originally Posted by PradaBrada (Post 704628)
As a matter of fact, yes, I do, especially if they are doing so solely to not pay for a real car and so leave a chip in the economy.

Oh right, so you're playing the die-hard capitalist who sees freedom as the enemy.

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Except for the fact that I actually took several years of Computer Science classes :rolleyes:
Which qualifies you to comment on the workings of an industry that is largely opaque to you.

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No work = no paycheck
Well that's a problem everyone faces, no?

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They are both making software to make money. That is all that matters. Hating on closed corporations is simply hating on the competition for naive reasons, which is childish at best.
Except no one's doing that. You're stuffing words in other people's mouths.

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Originally Posted by ZShakespeare (Post 704629)
It's not even an assertion.

Yes it is. You're saying "open source is crap" and I want you to point out why, and how closed source software is better. That might be hard, though, seeing as how closed source software is completely opaque from a developmental point of view.

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it's history.
Whose history? Microsoft's?

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painted in a cute little story to make the big business world more easy to understand for the people who apparently don't.
Oh right, because only BIG BUSINESS can do things properly. Except when they fail miserably, but we just brush that under the carpet (or push the losses on to the public, right?)

fnordianslip 2010-06-08 01:16

Re: what has "open source" and "linux" phone/tablet maemo os brought us?
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 704599)
If you can't win with logic, always trump with the Sarcasm Card!

Logic is futile.

ZShakespeare 2010-06-08 01:17

Re: what has "open source" and "linux" phone/tablet maemo os brought us?
 
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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 704648)
words

firstly I was asked to define what I meant by finished product; gg chief.

second. All of google's good products are proprietary. Chrome (not to be confused with chromium), Android, et al. all have proprietary components. We can't sit here on a forum for an operating system for mobile devices and pontificate about how open we are, when there is simply no open source phone/tablet (try reading the title of the thread next time.) that has all of said features and advantages and benefits of competing products.

Try reading up on what's going on before posting a kneejerk reaction.

geneven 2010-06-08 01:17

Re: what has "open source" and "linux" phone os brought us?
 
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Originally Posted by PradaBrada (Post 704628)
As a matter of fact, yes, I do, especially if they are doing so solely to not pay for a real car and so leave a chip in the economy.



So what? Cry wolf moar.

Wow, so THAT's what's wrong with the economy! You guys know everything!

mikec 2010-06-08 01:21

Re: what has "open source" and "linux" phone/tablet maemo os brought us?
 
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Originally Posted by ZShakespeare (Post 704655)
firstly I was asked to define what I meant by finished product; gg chief.

second. All of google's good products are proprietary. Chrome (not to be confused with chromium), Android, et al. all have proprietary components. We can't sit here on a forum for an operating system for mobile devices and pontificate about how open we are, when there is simply no open source phone/tablet (try reading the title of the thread next time.) that has all of said features and advantages and benefits of competing products.

Try reading up on what's going on before posting a kneejerk reaction.

when I last looked there are nearly a billion nokia phones running an open source os. Its called symbian.


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