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Re: Nokia take legal action against Eldar Murtazin

I agree with gerbick that theft is theft. We could get into a similar argument that's raging over the music/video games industry.

If you've obtained something that doesn't belong to you through sources other than official, if you've found something of great value lying in the street, bar or on the bus and have made no attempt to relocate it to it's rightful owner, then it constitutes theft.

But then, all that depends on the state of law and order where you live, and we are talking about Russia here.

The thing we've also got to consider here is how many Chinese sweatshops are now churning these things out and what other manufacturers are capitalizing on information gleaned from this guy.

Re: Nokia take legal action against Eldar Murtazin

i think eldar was nokia's leak guy...many of his screen shots showed OPK as a contact as well as the fact that NO ONE else in the world has the sort of "contacts" he has...i mean no other blog could get into contact with "inside leakers"???...i find that hard to believe....there is no reason for me to think that after all of these years that nokia NOW decided to take action against eldar....he has been doing this since the n90 and even before! somehow i think something went wrong...may it be too many bad reviews of nokia devices? i once looked forward to his reviews and ill admit i loved getting to know whats next...but i think he crossed a line where he believed he was invincible and became egotistical....and well...we know the rest of the story....

Re: Nokia take legal action against Eldar Murtazin

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Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 744547)

I agree with gerbick that theft is theft. We could get into a similar argument that's raging over the music/video games industry.

No, thats so-called IP; not theft, but copyright infringement; not theft. Theft requires physical material to be taken away from possesion of its rightful owner. In the case of copyright infringement the original owner does not lose possesion of their property. Hence, totally different, and in fact extremely difficult to compare.

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1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious
taking and removing of personal property, with an intent
to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.
[1913 Webster]

There is no way how you can bend copyright infringement to be 'theft'. There are situations which are exception. For example, if the master copy is stolen. But then its theft of the master copy. Another example would be destroying the original and only original. But then that'd be copyright infringement + vandalism (or something like that).

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Originally Posted by xmob (Post 744338)

I'm not condoning theft in the slightest. However, prototypes fall into competitors hands all the time.

In a past life, I worked for another mobile manufacturer (also in Scandinavia). They would regularly receive competitor prototypes to have a look at. It was almost (but never openly discussed) like they accepted that rivals would see each others hardware.

But, I do understand that this case isn't quite the same. It's a 3rd party publicly disclosing information he shouldn't have.

We both know why that wasn't publicly discussed...

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Originally Posted by RobertHall (Post 744563)

Or perhaps they weren't bothered by him until he crossed the line of bad mouthing prototypes as if they were finished products.

Some say bad publicity is publicity. I believe cattle goes for popularity without thinking, and that for those who don't follow this trend the first words they read on a device are very important. Like the first time you meet someone.

Re: Nokia take legal action against Eldar Murtazin

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Originally Posted by RobertHall (Post 744563)

i think eldar was nokia's leak guy...many of his screen shots showed OPK as a contact as well as the fact that NO ONE else in the world has the sort of "contacts" he has...i mean

Those are not necessarily real contacts, that was part of the taunting he regularly did. Also, I don't think people like OPK are involved in operative decisions like what happens with bloggers. Maybe in a Jobs-controlled company, but IMHO Nokia does not fit that image. Also, if your contacts are that high up the ladder it might actually be more difficult to get to the actual hardware without everyone knowing it came to you 'blessed'.

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Originally Posted by crown77 (Post 744545)

The Point is that Eldar got the "balls" against Nokia and tells the Community the truth about there Products and Politics. He have many followers so if he says for Example that Symbian 3 is garbage then the whole Mobile Press like Engadget and Co following him. I guess this is the real Problem behind the N8 Story.

But its allways the same like here if you say something thats the Truth but nobody wants to hear it then you get blamed.

Ridiculous assertion. Very simple:

a) Receive a smuggled prototype that was never supposed to be released
b) Tear it apart as if it is a finished product gleefully exclaiming how shitty Nokia products are
c)...
d) Profit (with people like you)

Fact of the matter is that he has stolen property and a beef against Nokia - no conflict of interest of course with being a consultant for competitors either, right?

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Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 744846)

About time.

I sort of agree with this. I did like seeing the early scoop reviews but it was not always clear when the review was of a real production unit or some smuggled preproduction unit so it would be often the case where what he would write would be drastically different from the experience using the production version.

Re: Nokia take legal action against Eldar Murtazin

I don't so much have a problem with him managing to get his hands on prototype hardware. In fact, I think that's great. What's not so great is, as others have said, reviewing it as if it's final hardware and software, even when it's the better part of a year before release and worse, refusing to give the stuff back.

Re: Nokia take legal action against Eldar Murtazin

Do you think Nokia will let him slide if he does favorable reviews of the leaked hardware?

Does this look like 'conditional' freedom of speech then?

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 745011)

Do you think Nokia will let him slide if he does favorable reviews of the leaked hardware?

Does this look like 'conditional' freedom of speech then?

He's been hammering them hard for over a year, so I don't think it's really got anything to do with his unfavorable opinion regarding Nokia's recent efforts.

I think they'd probably let it go if he'd give back their stuff.

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 745011)

Do you think Nokia will let him slide if he does favorable reviews of the leaked hardware?

Does this look like 'conditional' freedom of speech then?

They better not. Reviews should be critical. Post the positives and the negatives.