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Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream

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Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 815813)

Well, apparently, despite all the Anssi worship around here, in 2007 he was intent on copying the iphone

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/29/n...-no-seriously/

I guess maybe this was the n97 or something, but if his intent was really to copy iphone, he did not succeed.

That's like comparing this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/multime...ne_109939t.jpg

with this:
http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/cup.jpg

Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream

Well, so unfortunately the N900 didn't work the way you want it. I'm sure there are other phones (Android, IOS, Bada, etc) out there will meet your expectation.

Good luck.

Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream

I think one of the main problems is..

When a phone starts to function like a desktop PC, people complain that it doesn't function like their desktop PC completely.
Same with Maps, when it starts to function or look like TomTom, people complain that it's not completely the same as TomTom.

Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream

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Originally Posted by johnel (Post 815821)

http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/cup.jpg

Is that picture of iphone4 held in "wrong" way?

Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 815819)

That would be MeeGo's role. Maemo was constrained in many ways (one model, one manufacturer, small team), but MeeGo *SHOULD* bring all that stuff you miss from Maemo at the scale of (at least) Android, but without being limited to a single class of devices.

It's not really about proficiency - sometimes it's just the wrong phone. That's why I asked if you ever used Linux - as your points were roughly what I hear when a long-time Windows users get to work with Linux boxes. It didn't really matter how experienced they were in Windows - in fact, often that experience worked against them as they expected a thing to work in one way, when in fact it did in another (as texrat says different != wrong).

It's all a question of scale. I struck me for example when you said Android brought Samsung out of obscurity - even before Android Samsung sold *shiploads* of phones (smartphones even), and even now, the Android/Galaxy sales are just a minority part in their overall business. It's just that they were not aiming at the gadget/app people as the target audience, and that's why you never heard of them prior to experimenting with Android.

PS. One tiny remark - Maemo was born loong before iOS and Android - not as a response to them (the N800 was already out when the iPhone was released and the N810 was released waaay before the first Android). If anything, the shame is that THAT advantage (especially considering the newly-rediscovered-by-Apple tablet market) was not capitalized upon.

Yeah good points. And no I haven't used Linux in it's purest form. I have an uBuntu machine and use Firefox but thats as close as it gets! Maybe these are good examples to my point: Anyone can use an uBuntu machine and Firefox is very popular, especially amongst people who probably don't even know what Linux is. So Maemo should provide the seemless user experience for all level of users regardless of their Linux knowledge.

Yeah and I realise Maemo has been around for ages which kind of illustrates my point even further: The N800 etc never tried to be the world beating smartphone, it was the quirky half computer that the passionate Maemo could tinker around with. The rally racing car to use the car analogy. But then Nokia go ahead and release the N900 their Subaru WRX (or was it STi) which can beat an M3 so is therefore claiming it to be the same experience as an M3 but no-one wants it cause its still too much of a rally car (brilliantly built but there's no aircon and the seats are uncomfortable).

So if the N900 is still a rally car, then Nokia has no competitor in the top end of the smart phone market. The end that I like to be in and the end I was sold by the N900 marketing. And this is concerning for Nokia hence all the shuffling about!

Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream

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Originally Posted by slender (Post 815834)

Is that picture of iphone4 held in "wrong" way?

Yes it is.

The antenna is actually inserted into the owner's rectum and then you can say "iPhone users literally talk out their ar5es"

:)

Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream

Good article, shame it won't dent the 'geekdom' on these forums.

You do however like android and I chose Maemo because it wasn't linked to the worlds biggest data miner, google.

...But as Nokia did with PR 1.2 what Google do with Android and nick all your personal information... Welcome to the club.

So you may as well go with a working OS that is supported and growing, if you are going to have to sign over your life to the manufacturer of the OS just to use it, may as well go for a good one.

Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream

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Originally Posted by slender (Post 815820)

No. Wrong. Only way to measure if product has failed is to see it sales and feedback from device owners. Only one who sees these statistics is the seller itself. So you can only make vagues guesses how well something has succeed. And of course the problem itself is that how to measure and what is the scale itself.

If you try to make statement about failure then you need shitload of references and statistics from 3rd party sellers. Without those you are just yelling fool who can wear clown suit (like most of tech. bloggers and commentators in blogs, just bunch of fools who think that their opinion without arguments or references is worth something) :|

Only thing you can say is that device has failed FOR YOU. Big difference!

The difference is - and I think you missed my point - is that we should care. I think N900 is a great device. My wife, however, do not know how to use N900 (when she borrows mine). For her it is a disappointment and she is not going to change her mind if I tell her all the technicals specs. What I can do is to listen to her and try to make N900 more usable to her. And if not else, I should listen to her opinion when suggesting new phone to her. From the user point of view it is his or her experience which is relevant. And service providers and manufacturers need to listen these experiences otherwise it is hard to improve their products.

Even it would be developer or arrogant blogger; feedback is always important and worth of studying.

Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream

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Originally Posted by jonin60seconds (Post 815839)

There is a reason for Ubuntu' s popularity: The fact that it is so easy to use and install. However, that is the exception to the rule, not the other way around. I run Ubuntu as one of my three OS's, the other two being Gentoo and WinXP. Whenever friends or family have made up their mind and want to switch to a Linux flavor, I will install Ubuntu for them. Easy to install, easy to use and it's user interface is quite nice. I would never install Gentoo on someone's machine, as it is way too time-consuming to maintain and get those users to learn to maintain the machine. Maemo and Ubuntu are not comparable, in my opinion, in terms of being ready for end users out of the box.

Neither would I advice any non-techy to buy an n900.

Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream

Isn't the free market fun?

Android, iPhone, Windows Mobile, Blackberry, Symbian and maemo/ meego. You can decide want phone you want.

(In soviet russia the phone pick you)

BTW: Good luck jonin60seconds and I hope you enjoy your new phone.

:)