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Re: And where is the people from Nokia who worked on Maemo and Meego?

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Originally Posted by stlpaul (Post 943220)

At least you'll know it's a dead-end before buying, instead of 3 months after release like with N900.

yes, but imagin what would happen if more meego phones then wp7 phones would be soled... ;)

and with alien dalvik we have the whole android apps running :D

So, elop, give me the meego phone, that shall be my last nokia phone...

Re: And where is the people from Nokia who worked on Maemo and Meego?

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Originally Posted by stlpaul (Post 943220)

At least you'll know it's a dead-end before buying, instead of 3 months after release like with N900.

With Harmatten on the horizon, most who were paying attention knew that the N900 was going to be a dead end of sorts before we bought it. That being said, I have no regrets in buying it. It is still very useful for my purposes.

Re: And where is the people from Nokia who worked on Maemo and Meego?

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Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 941795)

And what do you have to say this time about the shiny future of Meego and Qt?

I have to say that I'm waiting for more news to come in relation to Qt and MeeGo, from Nokia, from my colleagues working in these teams and from other Qt and MeeGo stakeholders. Mobile World Congress hasn't even started and the dust from yesterday's announcements is far from settled.

I understand how someone reading yesterday's headlines and trying to catch up with all the heated feedback and rumors can get to fast conclusions about Nokia and its role around Qt and MeeGo. Even to fast conclusions about Qt and MeeGo themselves.

If that helps, I haven't reached to my conclusions yet.

Nokia indeed announced a partnership with Microsoft to fight together on the segment of smartphones with an offering based on Windows Phone and its developer tools. And this is indeed a segment that the previous plan aimed to address with MeeGo, Symbian and a Qt based developer offering.

However, Nokia also announced yesterday plans to sell a billion devices to new Internet mobile users, sell 150 million Symbian devices, release a MeeGo open source product this year, and position MeeGo under the CTO activities as an open source platform for future disruptions. Stephen Elop said explicitly that these activities are out of the scope of the Microsoft deal and I'm still waiting to hear more about them. Also, the technophile in me can't avoid thinking of the possibilities and feasibility of putting Qt to work together with Windows Phone, regardless of the business and marketing sense such feature would have yesterday and in the times to come.

As a software freedom lover (just like many of you) and as a professional with a full time job in this field (thanks for reminding this little detail) I still ask myself what is the best work to do there. Sure, Qt and MeeGo had a chance to be at the edge of the Nokia strategy on high-end devices and this plan has changed now. But considering the size, the sophistication and the potential of innovation in the activities out of the scope of the Microsoft deal, I have no hurry to write off any of the technologies or the people I'm working with today. Any of these activities might bring a big and deep contribution to the free software community, which at the end is the main motivation of my work.

Following my nose is part of my job planning and ironing open source strategies. Today, even with all this unsettling dust, my nose tells me that there is a lot of interesting work to be uncovered somewhere under these renovated Nokia goals. Bare with me these days if I'm too silent outside, have no doubt that I keep doing my best inside.

Re: And where is the people from Nokia who worked on Maemo and Meego?

I think that any rational calculation at this point would conider long-term support for any Meego device Nokia releases a very poor risk.

Re: And where is the people from Nokia who worked on Maemo and Meego?

Thanks for taking the time to respond to our concerns. In the meanwhile please tell us how we can support our dream of open source at nokia.

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 944013)

These days you have the Nokia leadership team and comms department bringing radical news about the company. There is a myriad of journalists, financial analysts and enthusiasts like you hunting new quotes from Nokia employees. Be no surprised if most of the @nokia.com contributors you used to follow are silent - busy with the same work we were doing before yesterday's announcement.

I have to say that I'm waiting for more news to come in relation to Qt and MeeGo, from Nokia, from my colleagues working in these teams and from other Qt and MeeGo stakeholders. Mobile World Congress hasn't even started and the dust from yesterday's announcements is far from settled.

I understand how someone reading yesterday's headlines and trying to catch up with all the heated feedback and rumors can get to fast conclusions about Nokia and its role around Qt and MeeGo. Even to fast conclusions about Qt and MeeGo themselves.

If that helps, I haven't reached to my conclusions yet.

Nokia indeed announced a partnership with Microsoft to fight together on the segment of smartphones with an offering based on Windows Phone and its developer tools. And this is indeed a segment that the previous plan aimed to address with MeeGo, Symbian and a Qt based developer offering.

However, Nokia also announced yesterday plans to sell a billion devices to new Internet mobile users, sell 150 million Symbian devices, release a MeeGo open source product this year, and position MeeGo under the CTO activities as an open source platform for future disruptions. Stephen Elop said explicitly that these activities are out of the scope of the Microsoft deal and I'm still waiting to hear more about them. Also, the technophile in me can't avoid thinking of the possibilities and feasibility of putting Qt to work together with Windows Phone, regardless of the business and marketing sense such feature would have yesterday and in the times to come.

As a software freedom lover (just like many of you) and as a professional with a full time job in this field (thanks for reminding this little detail) I still ask myself what is the best work to do there. Sure, Qt and MeeGo had a chance to be at the edge of the Nokia strategy on high-end devices and this plan has changed now. But considering the size, the sophistication and the potential of innovation in the activities out of the scope of the Microsoft deal, I have no hurry to write off any of the technologies or the people I'm working with today. Any of these activities might bring a big and deep contribution to the free software community, which at the end is the main motivation of my work.

Following my nose is part of my job planning and ironing open source strategies. Today, even with all this unsettling dust, my nose tells me that there is a lot of interesting work to be uncovered somewhere under these renovated Nokia goals. Bare with me these days if I'm too silent outside, have no doubt that I keep doing my best inside.

Re: And where is the people from Nokia who worked on Maemo and Meego?

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 944013)

Following my nose is part of my job planning and ironing open source strategies. Today, even with all this unsettling dust, my nose tells me that there is a lot of interesting work to be uncovered somewhere under these renovated Nokia goals. Bare with me these days if I'm too silent outside, have no doubt that I keep doing my best inside.

Keep your head up Quim! This is but a bump in the road. If Nokia totally drops the open source ball, someone else will see the potential and take Qt and the Linux phone stack to successful completion. If it doesn't work out, I hope to see you joining Ari at HP soon ;)

Re: And where is the people from Nokia who worked on Maemo and Meego?

As a nokia shareholder I want to see Quim as the new Nokia CEO.

Re: And where is the people from Nokia who worked on Maemo and Meego?

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Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 944024)

Thanks for taking the time to respond to our concerns. In the meanwhile please tell us how we can support our dream of open source at nokia.

Just like most of you are doing: helping Qt and MeeGo becoming successful standard open source projects, useful to many parties, fun to use and contribute to.

Re: And where is the people from Nokia who worked on Maemo and Meego?

Oh, can somebody add as* on the tags?

Re: And where is the people from Nokia who worked on Maemo and Meego?

@qgil

As we all wait for the dust to settle i wonder if now, that Maemo,MeeGo & Qt were put aside, is a time to ask Nokia(for the millionth time) to open-source the remaining maemo components?
As long as we had Meego/Harmattan in the front of Nokia's strategy i could see why they would not allow it. It would be a shame if all the work that they put on this, will turn to dust.

I believe that this deal is really "pissing to keep warm". it might be a good move for now, as meego is yet to be ready and Symbian is not the best fruit in the basket. But why kill those two? Why not put those two back in R&D for 2 years with no urgence to have a product ASAP? then, when ready, use those to retain dominance.What would differentiate Nokia now, from HTC? I say nothing.