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Re: What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development?

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Originally Posted by Daneel (Post 1093703)

Read this thread.

*This* thread :) :http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575

Re: What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development?

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Originally Posted by baptx (Post 1093176)

We know Harmattan is a MeeGo by Nokia, so maybe less open and hackable but this won't change anything for me, I'll use the N9 because there's no better device actually. What about the N900 platform security, how does it works?

N900 has no platform security implemented.

Re: What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development?

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Originally Posted by debernardis (Post 1093709)

*This* thread :) :http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575

Very interesting topic. It looks like the rebellion by some very important community contributors.

I think we should avoid direct involvement in their topic, but nothing prevents us from discussing it here.

Here are some things that caught my attention:

There are some new terms like platform developers, which seems to exclude community developers. I think platform developers include nokia employees and subcontractors(speculation, but it smells that way) .

I am really scared of the platform developer reasoning. It looks like they are obsessed with limiting what developers and users can do with their devices. They behave like they actually own the device. If you buy N9 you are not an owner with full rights - instead you are allowed to do what nokia thinks is ok for you.

That sounds like converting the community developers to the level of Symbian/Android/iOS developer. Basically enclosed in a box and subdued.

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Originally Posted by djszapi@meego

You can send your device back, if you do not enjoy the hardware or/and software. There is no obligation for you to ship an application, if you do not have time and sake to do it anymore. I know many people out there waiting for this device. At least when I showed them, they were happy and I mentioned the general complains.

Do not take it offense, please, but it might be that, it is that platform you do not enjoy, and would be better to give to those people who would die for one with its current state.

:mad: I think this should have been expected once it became clear developers will not own a device.

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Originally Posted by javispedro@meego

Either way. I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt again.
You are asserting that lizardo's trick, aka, patching the kernel so that it lies to userspace applications about the state of Aegis, _is_ the sanctioned way to disable Aegis that I've been looking for.
Well, it hardly seems like one official method though. But I will patiently wait for the kernel sources to materialize and hope that if we start using that Nokia will not eventually "fix it" in the next firmware release.

I wonder if they are going to get kernel sources?

My guess is that the platform architect (and btw: who may that be?) is intentionally squeezing security credentials for following reasons:

introduce gradual changes to tighten the "security" without braking everything
at the same time too much of a "security" at once might make community developers angry.
optionally, make the community developers challenge the security framework, so any vulnerability can be detected.

The question is what is the final step (5/5)?

I think the problems community got from closed binaries, is children's play compared to what may happen to N9(50).

We can not blame Elop for this, since it started long before him.

EDIT: rephrased some of my faulty english

Re: What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development?

I think the "Trusted Computing" video is relevant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnXU7z2_6Jg

For me (aside from problematic hacking) it's really embarrassing because I've touted how my os is so much better than my friends' locked down piece of crap that. Now it looks like my os is also a locked down piece of crap.

Re: What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development?

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Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1093728)

<SNIP>

Again your overall impression of developments is quite diff. to mine.
Your summary of that thread, is quite diff. to the impression I got :confused:
Contrary to what momcilo suggests...
I'd recommend folks who've read this thread, also read that thread.

Re: What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development?

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1093880)

It is always better to read the original thread and make own conclusions.

I've shared my observations (and possible speculations) in a hope that others will discuss it as well.

BTW: Can you be more specific on <SNIP>?

Re: What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development?

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Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1093886)

No problem with that whatsoever... :)
T'was just suggesting that everyone read for themselves, & interpret as they will.
It's never a good idea to digest just one person's take on things.
"<SNIP>" just means removing everything in the quote.

Re: What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development?

looking interesting on the meego forum: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=8

Open mode achieved

Re: What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development?

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Originally Posted by mooglez (Post 1107863)

looking interesting on the meego forum: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=8

Open mode achieved

We still have to see how it goes in end-consumer devices, but this looks promising.