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Other information in the results:
MS might be paying Nokia 250MUSD per quarter. Quite a good amount.

Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 

Yes they are and from the Nokia interim report it says..
Quote
"Our broad strategic agreement with Microsoft includes platform support payments from Microsoft to us as well as
software royalty payments from us to Microsoft. In the fourth quarter 2011, we received the first quarterly
platform support payment of USD 250 million (EUR 180 million). We have a competitive software royalty structure,
which includes minimum software royalty commitments. Over the life of the agreement, both the platform support
payments and the minimum software royalty commitments are expected to measure in the billions of US Dollars."

This sounds like the 250 could be close to the minimum. and given the reported sales this may only grow with sales. we will see I guess.

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Yeah, that sure does sound like something we'd heard before the MS partnership, and yes, I might very well be reaching. However, check out the Nokia 2011 Q4 Results PDF before you go dismissing it. It's a 60 page pdf, however :rolleyes:. Let me make it easier--checkout page 40 and the beginning of page 41:

By the time Nokia launched the N9, the announcement about MS was already out there. It may be a poor write-up, but the way it's written, it doesn't sound like Nokia is done with Meego 1.2 Harmattan yet...

Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 

I would love to think that the N9 really sold better than Lumia, but I think it is much more likely that the N9 sales have been totally insignificant.

We don't know Nokia N9 or N900 sales, but judging from the download statistics from Maemo.org and the amount of users on this site, the N900 sales are probably in the 200.000 - 500.000 range.
If the amount of applications in Ovi store is an indication, it would suggest that N9 didn't sell a lot better.

The fact that apple sold 37m iphones in one quarter is absolutely amazing, but doesn't mean that smartphone with a lot less sales can't be considered successful.

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Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 

They, the same funds, used to own Nokia, but after they denied Vanjoki to be the next CEO and forced Nokia to take Elop instead as a next CEO, they sold their shares away.

Fidelity (Magellan) is a big MS shareholder also and owned quite a bit part of Nokia before the Trojan Horse was inserted in Nokia.

"Nokia shares owned by Fidelity Magellan fund"
http://news.morningstareurope.com/ne...s/magellan.jpg

It was the old fashioned "take-over" of the company by "MS".
Now Nokia is *owned* as it has made the restricting binding agreement with MS and burned all the bridges behind it.

The old platform was set on fire before Nokia dived into the MS-sea.

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Nokia Q4 Results: Now Official, Elop has Created World-Record Destruction of Market Share in One Year
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...-one-year.html

Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 

Well, I'm seeing quite a lot N9 advertisements here in Czech Republic. Basically every T-Mobile and Vodafone store has something like this:
http://i.imgur.com/CS0sY.jpg
There was nothing like this for the N900 and there are quite a lot of them around.

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well, they didnt promote the n9 at all here in the USA, and it is still dificult to find, yet everyone who sees and uses my device longer than 5 minutes, tries to "swype" thier device in frustration after.

zero marketing and the sellers on craigslist, who price it right, cant keep them, and the 710 just launched and are already flooding the boards at $240-ish prices, and the $500-ish priced 800 is hardly selling at all.

and, the 710 is marketed all over the place here like the tmo stores do the n9 there.

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Given the Elop drive for Wphone domination and that this is the first time
that I know of that Nokia has not disclosed sales figures either formally or informally. I think if N9 was less in sales he would of happily used it as a validation of the windows direction.
In Australia only two phones are listed by Telstra (biggest carrier) as country-wide phones
the N9 and a droid.(both on contract) I see as many N9 as N8 so hard to tell.
I dont know if the app store is necessarily a good indicator as the phone is so easy to use phone users can buy and not really use. I have two people at work who have had them for 3/6 weeks and havn't downloaded an app yet.
mostly all of the basics are there.

I think the Lumia 900 will be the one that defines the success or failure for
the elop strategy. If it does not get a premium status then I think it will be just another niche market.