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Careful with the assumptions there, Rebski. Would you not expect a new OS release with new hardware?

And I will keep hammering this point home in general: Nokia IS learning from past missteps. Lessons learned ARE being factored into current and future developments.

Patience. ;)

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No, but his unspoken point is certainly valid: openness *tends* to cause slowness in performance and development due to its very nature (surely no one has to explain that here). When a company maintains absolute control over the operating environment, they can prevent the introduction of elements that interfere with the core functionality. That is Apple's stated goal with the iPhone and iPods. People can gripe about it, but they have a valid point. Microsoft products are far more open than Apples, and everyone is well aware of what havoc that wreaks. If Linux enjoyed the level of deployment that Windows does you'd see the same situation there and probably worse.

There is a tradeoff between openness and control, and the pros and cons each approach brings, and while theory of how openness *should* work sounds good it does not exactly manifest as hoped... unfortunately.

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I fail to see how adding a model with a keyboard makes ANYthing worse, benny. It's an ADDITION to the line, not a direct replacement. Another purchasing option; the N800 is NOT dead yet, despite the claims of ravenous Apple fans. ;)

And check the FCC details closer. You overlooked something it seems.

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If the hardware keyboard doesn't make the device bigger and is a faster/easier text input method than the current on screen keyboard, than I think it is a improvement.
I think a hardware keyboard will be a improvement, but I will have to determine that for for myself when the device is released.

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I think people will be very pleasantly surprised by the next model, for more than one reason. ;)

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Oh, god . . . here it goes again. :P

All that I know is my cash will be down on the counter as soon as CompUSA opens its doors on release day. ;)

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I thought CompUSA has been closing their doors far more than opening them lately?

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Texrat: Yeah, I'm aware of the pros and cons of opensource products and development. My point was, the end product that the NIT is supposed to be (which clearly it still isn't now), should be held to the same standard as other competing products :)

Maybe for linux developers and hackers, it's already a dream platform at the moment. But unless the NIT can tap into a larger audience, how long will Nokia keep this up?

PS: For those people that are hating the slide-out keyboard without seeing and trying it out first, I wonder if they would know what they're missing if given the new tablet with the keyboard welded or superglued shut.

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So let's hope the keyboard will be detachable and will work also as a cover, that would be two reasons for me (GPS being third weak reason).

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I was I was hoping for an addition to the line that I could could buy as an replacement for my 770 - smaller than the N800 and with a hard cover. Your last remark makes me wonder...

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I'm a bit concerned about the ergonomics of the thing. The slider makes sense for a lot of users, but if it hasn't changed sizes from the N800 the balance seems like it'd be off and it's entering into the droppable category.

Thing about that photo is while the shape is tablet-like, there's nothing to relate it to. The change in battery makes sense given the slider's presence, but it affords a lot more than just that.

I think there's a good chance the new tablet is smaller, keyboard-focused version of the platform (making it more pocketable and comparable to the Apple lineup) as opposed to our larger, stylus-focused one. It will introduce a more refined, faster UI and the N800s will see a software update to run the improvements as well. This way, both devices can be sold side-by-side.

That's my guess, anyway.

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Given the drawbacks introduced by opening the platform, I just don't see how that's possible, unless Nokia manages to design in nextgen CPUs ahead of the competition with every tablet. To your unquoted point, however, to *me* it boils down to what's acceptable to the general targetted audience. In that respect, a slight reduction in perceived performance made up by attractive features. I think THAT is easily achievable, and I believe you'll see Nokia get closer and closer, faster and faster. It all comes down to critical mass. Where and when that point is reached I cannot speculate.

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Like many companies in this space, Nokia performs numerous tests during R&D specific to that issue. This isn't being done blindly.

Also, note that all photos are prototypes.

To your other points, well... : X

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Meh, the only important CompUSA is the one near me. ;)

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Hmmm...it isn't the right shape for this, is it?

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.en...kia-iphone.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/29/n...-no-seriously/

If not I suspect this is still the direction Nokia is going. I get the feeling the 770/n800 platform is a just development project for Nokia till they can release a phone with a Linux operating system.

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No, no, and no. This is another cellular device that has nothing to do with the IT platform (thank goodness).

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ffs not again, please! We all understand you cannot give specifics and that where possible you give hints and up front tips, but can we just stop with these all-encompassing vapid kind of posts?

I don't understand why on earth you, or someone from nokia, cannot just say yes, it's got a slide-out keyboard that doubles as a metal hardcover and will have gps onboard. If it's the case, let us know, I'll start saving up! certainly wouldn't mean that apple is going to put out a copy-cat spoiler or something.

I really, really don't get this secret squirrell approach. We're grown men ffs!
(I haven't seen any evidence of female posters on here, well, one that got scared off about a month ago).

The one thing I'm hoping isn't the case is that it's smaller, or actually that it has a smaller screen. that would be a bit weird.

Anyway, anyone got one yet? texrat? :)

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I'm not. They're quite a bit of fun, in fact.

Because textrat isn't authorized and the people that are aren't on here (and wouldn't tell you if they were). Grown men would understand the concepts behind contractual obligation and NDAs. <_<

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or to sum it up: he can tell you, but then he would have to kill you ;)

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Or he could tell you after you have signed nda.

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Sign me up.

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Where do I sign? :D

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That's really a fact of life here: details of any product cannot be discussed before such a product is launched. It is a kind of problem for us that are heavily involved in the development: sometimes it's hard to comment even on a very general and innocent level on a particular discussion, because what we don't say can be interpreted to mean just as much as what we say about something.

But rest assured, many involved people are reading these discussions, even if they cannot really actively comment on certain topics. I personally generally feel that no teasers is the best policy, as not to annoy anyone.

As Wittgenstein wrote in Tractatus: "That which we cannot speak of we must pass over in silence".

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Oh I am sorry, I got the minor digit wrong... I humbly apologise, please understand I don't own any Apple stuff (erm, OK maybe I have a single gen 3 iPod in a drawer with a long dead battery) and consequently I don't follow their OS development religously! :) Whether it's 10.4, 10.5 or 10.whatever it's apparent that Apple don't support their hardware "for ever" which is the basic point being made here... feel free to correct me though! ;)

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Yeah, I'll only touch on what's readily available to the public and even then I'm not gonna elaborate. Isn't figuring it out on your own or being surprised more fun guys? Along with some gentle teasing of course (I see ragnar disagrees). :D

Speaking of disagreeing:

Being vapid is my strong suit.

And we've been round and round on this. Yes, a FEW are annoyed, as ragnar mentioned. But what's the real harm? I'm not going to risk the wrath of Nokia by discussing unreleased details, and I don't see how anyone is injured with a few "vapid" comments. :confused:

And to respond to another poster: as one other already said, and I will confirm, I'm in no position whatsoever to reveal hard details on unreleased products. I cannot and will not place myself in any real risk here, sorry. I also can't speak for any other Nokia employees. Hey, just having ragnar drop in and torture you all with me is something, right? ;)

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yeah I agree, fact of life. I would really love it to beta test the next device, and I think it would really be cool if Nokia were to hand out a couple devices to the community (with NDAs of course) for such testing.

And I do feel for you guys that do have knowledge. You guys must be burning to reveal details, and at the same time are probably getting pestered into releasing those same details. Keeping your lips sealed while holding up to that pressure is admirable. I really admire that loyalty.

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jzencovich, if you only knew... [imagine symbol for "fighting that burning detail revelation urge"]

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Dear Nokia Development Team (or whom it may concern):


Most companies have mobile internet wrong. The internet is not designed for tablets, UMPC's, etc. Same thing with cell phones.

The power of portability comes in applications. I dont want to goto maps.google.com. That website expects me to me on a 1ghz+ computer with 512 ram. BUT, Google Mobile Maps application (for cell phones, PDA's) and the iPhone Google Maps application, are designed for portable usage. Same thing with the Gmail app, and the iPhone Youtube application.


So, to make this easy:

1. Port over a version of google maps for the new tablet.

2. Give us a Gmail app, a Flickr app, Myspace, and maybe Facebook.

3. Design a template, and maybe a Design Suite for users to create their own websites that will be directly compatible with the next tablet.

4. Tabbed browsing

5. If it will have a keyboard, then it will need AIM, Yahoo IM, and MSN. At least AOL IM.


Mobile computing is done through touch. We cannot avoid the internet, but when we can take the important parts, and make them into useful applications, we all win.

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by the way Tex, i think your text is slanted not from your inability to discuss certain subjects, but from your use of italics.

Just an observation :)

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Garage, as this form factor becomes more popular, I fully expect third parties to climb all over each other providing exactly what you request.

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ROFL!

Good one!

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I'd rather not use apps and just use the full versions on a web browser just as I already do on the N800. We already have AIM, Yahoo and MSN, by the way.

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My wry humor may not be the best, but I try :)

Jon

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I'm afraid that instead of that Nokia will just launch their own (and quite probably isolated/crappy) version of these as part of the grand Ovi strategy. Why is it so difficult for companies to understand that we want to use the web services that we already use and where our friends are?

Of course, Nokia could surprise us positively, and generate a cool, mobile-friendly UI that would still let us stay in touch with the community sites we've been using all along. Flickr integration etc...

At this point following Apple's guidelines is most likely a safe bet. That way your mobile site will work nicely with both iPhone and the S60 browser.

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As my personal opinions:

3. is not a good idea. It's been tried in the past several times and it always eventually fails. People want "the real website", not a slimmed down version. And then, nobody wants to develop and maintain two versions of a huge website. Of course this is not black and white. A good web site detects the browser that is being used and perhaps configures its offerings (UI etc.) to better suit that target device. But "own websites" - I don't think so. Perhaps iPhone will prove me long in the short term, but I think the Internet will prove the iPhone wrong in the long term. :) People want to access the real sites with the real content. Devices come and go, it is really unfeasible for developers to create custom versions for any device. Perhaps if one device would have 50% of market share, but otherwise not.

2. What would actually be a Facebook application? If not the Facebook site itself? (If not considering now the applications inside Facebook...) Or what would be a Myspace app?

And wouldn't it be obsolete once it is released? What happens when Myspace gains the next killer feature? Apps don't get new features automatically, but web sites and web services do.

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I would love to see social networking data from the various services I'm using (the ones that have an API at least) integrated into the address book a bit like Jaiku Mobile does on S60. You know, enhancing the address book with status information, location, travel plans, ...

Then again, since the address book is just an e-d-s front-end, this should be possible to do as a separate project outside Nokia.

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Like Mosh?

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lol honestly.

if the n800 has the processing power of a cheap laptop, then this would be totally feasible. sad fact, it doesnt.

heres the other thing. if you are so hard up to use the full version of the site, then you will still be able to, just point the browser there. some of us are on the run, and we want our data fast, simple, and effective. my little nokia phone's google maps program runs circles around the full site on the n800. i actually prefer it 10 to 1.

and no, we dont have aim, msn, and yahoo, we have some ported/hand made version that does not have the refinement of the sidekick versions.

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the sad fact is, the internet is not designed for 800x480, and a slow processor/low memory situation. it is also not designed for fingers.

sidekick, for example, just launched a myspace app for their hardware. check the vid:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7jbjZ60KipI

its important because not only is it fast, but it integrated. youtube on iphone for example:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qObhmS8zX...elated&search=

google maps mobile on a motorola q:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=98NPPptZcqE


the important thing is, you can still use those sites like normal. BUT, if you have never learned to use programs like Google Maps Mobile, you wont understand why its so important. it just works that well.

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Hopefully, this new device can play all usual video formats in native speed (http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/Ca.../MVI_0709.AVI), supports sdhc and usb-host...
And without a gaming cam like on the N800...