Re: Big announcement coming soon from T-Mobile ; Project Black to shake things up?
 

well, they just make a little less profit. there's still much space left for a nice profit margin.

Re: Big announcement coming soon from T-Mobile ; Project Black to shake things up?
 

Well that's the idea, and I'm sure they have enough financial room in their voice/data/sms plan wise to account for this (plus if they get alot of subscribers this way). But I was thinking more if they subsidized the n900 heavily. We are talking about a $600 dollar device here, unless Nokia is selling it to TMobile cheaply to get more USA interest in it.

Re: Big announcement coming soon from T-Mobile ; Project Black to shake things up?
 

yes, i meant even when subsidizing the n900 they still make sh*tloads of cash. don't underestimate how much you're currently overpaying :)

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Regarding the supposed poster/advertisement for project black:

Am I the only one who thinks that this will be tiered in some way depending on the type of phone? I.e., you can get a $50 unlimited everything plan for your clamshell dumb phone but if you click the "even more plus" button to get the N900 or crackberry or whatever, you either have to pay a hefty subsidy or buy a more expensive unlimited everything plan.

Just a thought.

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You mean 2 different plans, one without internet and one with? Well if you read the comments on the linked page you'll see people tend to think it's highly likely. I wouldn't be surprised either, as this forum has discussed just how much money they'd be wasting if they charged us super users the same amount as people who never touch the internets on their phones. If the internet heavy plan comes out at $75(50 for text and talk + 25 for internet) vrs $50 for just talk + text, I wouldn't be surprised in the least. Chances are if there's the opportunity to charge people for something they use extra, they will.

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In your opinion, how long would it be before the n900 comes to tmobile? i'm seriously debating whether to wait or buy it now.

I really want to pre order, but I feel like i'll be kicking myself if they announce shortly that they'll have it in november or something like that.

Re: Big announcement coming soon from T-Mobile ; Project Black to shake things up?
 

rather than the type of phone i suspect it would be based on whether you got a subsidy on the phone or payed in full/brought your own

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These type of companies can greatly leverage the economy of scale that could significantly lower the cost (per customer) as they gain more customers.

Re: Big announcement coming soon from T-Mobile ; Project Black to shake things up?
 

Don't forget - heavily subsidizing the iPhone has put a world of hurt in AT&T profits. Not the windfall for them you might think. Profit margins on voice or data in the US (after network build-out + maintainence costs) really aren't so hot. Text message charges are where the easy money is now.

As long as we're all playing Project Black guessing games, I'll throw in mine...nothing new, just my opinion on what will happen...

There's not a merger with Sprint coming. I think T-Mo US has decided it's easier and cheaper to grow by nabbing other carrier's users with better deals and cool phones than to take on a sure-to-be messy and very expensive merger with that friggin' disaster called Sprint. The considerable bandwidth controlled by Sprint/Nextel is tempting, but not that tempting. T-Mo already controls enough bandwidth they pass on Sprint and their semi-satisfied, hard-to-absorb customers.

That said, T-Mo may have made a deal with Clearwire to help build some LTE infrastructure for them in the future. WiMax is a dead end, and Clearwire surely knows it by now. And, what little WiMax Clearwire has built already is easily converted to LTE. Note that Clearwire's WiMax partner Sprint is advertising 4G on TV, but no mention of WiMax.

As for Sprint...well, Sprint is a drowning man grasping at WiMax straws to try and stay relevant, to have something to advertise that sounds like progress. I live in Sprint's hometown, and they've done zero, nada, nothing to even plan for WiMax here. Sprint has neither the money nor the expertise. It will not be built.

To nab those new customers, T-Mo will offer a $50-for-all plan, that seems fairly certain, but it probably will not include 'full' smartphone-type 3G. Will be a little extra charge for that to help pay for infrastructure costs. Some other new plans too, of course.

But I think T-Mo US will break European-type pricing in the US market, where you get a cheaper monthly rate for using an unlocked phone or buying one from T-Mo at retail instead of financing it through a subsidy. Since I have a N900 on order from Nokia USA, I'm really pulling for that to happen.

New T-mobile Plans
 

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...plans-flexpay/

New Unlimited plans are coming for t-mobile and this further supports the rumored project dark which is supposed to include the N900!

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Hhmm... maybe people in US should cancel their n900's that were ordered from amazon, seems like you guys might have something cooking up over there :)

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

That's only if we want to be tied down to T-mobile for 1-2 years....no more contracts for me. My life is too unpredictable to get bombarded with ETF charges.

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Also I like my phones unlocked.

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I agree with both post above me about contracts and unlocked phones, but you never know what you'll find. Maybe Tmo will give a special deal if you get the n900 with a plan?

I never thought I'd be in a contract with one of the local operators, but they gave such a good deal that it was hard to refuse:

3000min
3000 txt msgs
unlimited internet, and the coverage is pretty good with about 95% of places I go have 3.5G.
and you get the Nokia N900, for 57€/month for 2 years.

I know the annoyance of being in a contract, but never say never =)

gl guys...

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

t-mobile unlocks your phone after 3 or 6 months of service. It's pretty cool all my blackberries have been unlocked

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

90 days to be exact, just called and asked yesterday

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Hmm so I wonder if a subsidized phone will mean a higher monthly price? or will it be the same exact price, just with a 2 year contract?
All of a sudden I'm starting to rethink my pre-order purchase.

Do any of you gather there to be a price advantage if getting into one of these contracts with "your own" phone instead of the tmobile subsidized phone?

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Seems like from the second of the large better res images that there will be options for both subsidized and unsubsidized phone.

Though I can't really imagine them offering the same price for both (besides the fact that they would lose money on the phones unless whoever is selling them the phones is also willing to work with them). Not to mention then what would be the benefit of getting an uncontract phone?

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Hmm and I just went into tmobile today to get a plan. Good thing I got it month-to-month.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Yeah that's what I was thinking if I did buy the n900 elsewhere. But apparantly all will be reviewed the 25th? So less then two weeks to go if that commenter was right.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

When I went to the T-Mobile store the other day, I asked them about Project Dark. He told me that the employees were required to attend a meeting today (Saturday) about the details. At this point I don't know if I should continue with my Amazon pre-order or just wait for the subsidized version. I'll need to pay an ETF with AT&T no matter my decision.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Well for me it depends on how they price it (plus if they do any physical branding). Also how much tax will cost me (no tax with Amazon) and I was considering the 3 yr warranty as well.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Go back and ask about the details of what it consists of! Nothing like getting direct from someone in the know. His name will never be revealed, so he doesn't have to worry about retribution from corporate.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

I'm pretty sure there will be "unlocked" option, T-mobile USA was/is selling Unlocked subsidized Nokias at your local Best Buy (at least in San Diego) not the biggest discount but it was an option...

Go T-Mobile!

Don't know T-Mobile's reception? get a prepaid one for $19 dllrs plus tax and try it out, $13 with cashback http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/...8-5b7967c2c039 sell it after or trade your Unlocked with a friend for a week to test reception.
:D:D:D:D:D:D

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

I'm excited about the prospect of better deals in network plans. I'm currently on a month-to-month with Verizon while i figure out what i'm going to do about a new phone.

Also, wtf is the shill doing in here?

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

the unlimited calling, text, and data enters the MetroPCS price point. Here we come, Verizon and att...

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

The idea of an unlocked, unbranded version is tempting, however, it's more cost effective to enter contract with a subsidized phone. These carriers recoup the cost of the phone in our monthly payments over the contract period, however, once your contract is up and you've essentially paid for your phone, the cost of the plan stays the same. And if you don't enter a contract and pay for the phone outright, you still pay the same amount for a plan as you would have with a subsidized phone. So, if they were fair, these carriers would reduce our monthly bills once our contracts were completed because they've fully recouped the phone's cost. But they don't. So if you don't take advantage and sign a new contract with a newly subsidized phone, you continue paying the same monthly bill and the carriers love it. So by buying the phone outright and not entering contract, you essentially are in the same boat where you are paying the same monthly costs as the person whose bill includes the subsidized phone costs yet you also paid for the phone. Sorry this is so long-winded -- I'm stoned.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

my suspicion would be that they would charge you slightly less a month for the unsubsidized plan otherwise whats the point

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

In America yes (I think in most other places you do get a discount from not going the subsidized right). Let's see if TMobile will change how things are done then. Ideally they will offer a lower monthly cost for the unsubsidized folks.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

just give them a nice reason like you're going overseas and they'll unlock it fast :D

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I interviewed with MetroPCS a few months ago, and came away impressed with their goals and business model. They are well-positioned for a customer base with less liquid cash than a year ago.

Out of all current large providers, they have captured the highest growing percentage of customers as the economy declined. T-mobile is smart enough to analyze why and try to catch some of the Verizon/AT&T fallout.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

T-Mobile has two different coverage as every other major carrier does, and on prepaid you get less coverage than on the regular plan. Lets say you don't get coverage at certain part of the town on your prepaid phone you sure will get the coverage on your monthly plan phone.
so if you are going to test their reception based on prepaid keep this in mind.;)

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

I didn't know that, then the move to T-Mobile fro ATT won't be a problem, I had the bad idea that it had sluggish reception because a coworkerhas a contract on the candybar Nokia non 3G i think and her reception sux at work =(, can data and voice be used in Tmo?

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Yes data and voice can be used on TMobile. I think even on the pre-paid network too. The reason why they want you to pay after and not in front in case you incur any roaming charges. If you prepay then they can't get you to pay roaming charges if you do roam (thus their solution of just not giving you service if your out of the network area).

But if your paying monthly (or once you get your bill) then they let you roam if you want to since they know they can get you to pay it.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Reception of Tmobile is not as great indoors as it is out door because they use higher MHZ thats 1900 most of the time and higher the MHZ its hard for the signal to penetrate inside building. And it also depends on the city, state where T-Mobile has a roaming contract with AT&T. Almost about 9 months ago T-Mobile still had a contract with Amerilink PCS and they dropped that due to which in rural area their service started to drop.
As you told that your co-workers service on your work zone sucks then you already know that you are not going to get any different coverage than them.
But let me tell you if your co-worker has Flex pay plan their coverage will be different than the regular 2yr contract coverage, which you get by signing a 2 yr contract with your approval credit.
I dont really understand what you mean by can you use data and voice.
Well when you sign up for the service you can choose between various types of minute plan and you can add unlimited web and messages for 34.99 for a smartphone and if you only need web it will be 24.99 for smartphone.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

The big issue for much of the US is T-mobiles very limited coverage area. I would prefer an announcement of increased coverage area to lower prices.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Well they are also planning on building out their network (building up and building out).

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

Has anyone gone back to see what Project Dark is?

I'm hoping its a fully subsidized 900 and insane coverages increases, along with cheaper plans.

Re: New T-mobile Plans
 

I think the plan is to offer European style packages ie pay less if you bring your own phone or get a reduction at the end of your contract.

Word is that they will have a load of cheap all in one plans and you subsidise your phone through a 20 month loan system, which in reality means little change from before other than that the costs are more transparent now.

Re: Big announcement coming soon from T-Mobile ; Project Black to shake things up?
 

Doubtful this is the 1st place you're hearing about this at, but *just in case* I have a few links from the Boy Genius Report:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...nanced-phones/

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...plans-flexpay/

Looks like unlimited talk is $40
Talk and text is $50
And talk, text and the oh so wonderful 3G data is $60

It looks like all of that is modular so if you want unlimited talk and data, but not text it should be possible, but there's no info on a price for that right now.

And if you don't want to pay for all of your phone upfront, but hate 2 year contracts? Looks like there will be some plans for that as well.

All in all, I'd say rumor confirmed, even if it changed a bit from what we thought.