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tso 2010-06-08 00:50

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 
187, if i did the math right.

Rebski 2010-06-08 00:51

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 
Passion Purple, definitely.

Benson 2010-06-08 00:54

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 
Y'know, I have a real hard time seeing this as a spiritual successor to the 770/N800 line for one reason.

It's not the huge screen (40% more area, no more pixels?!); like the N900's shrink, the size doesn't really matter all that much. It's not the overall size -- which really isn't that much worse than an N800.

The one reason? No D-pad! Even the N900 has arrow keys, if in a different form. While I do love my full alpha keyboard (and would like a full 5-row + d-pad even better), I have no real problem with a touchscreen only device, if I can trade the keyboard off for something more useful. I was certainly happy enough with an N800 for a long time, even after the N810 came out. But I demand at least a d-pad -- the ability to navigate pages, etc. without obscuring the screen is of inestimable value.

As it is, I'm half-tempted to buy one just to fool with in a few months when they're cheaper, but I know it won't be my primary machine. (And I expect, by that time, there'll be something else I like better.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tso (Post 701115)
ah yes, those. i sometimes wonder when a bag becomes a "man bag".

When it has a pocket to keep your man card in?

Rebski 2010-06-08 01:02

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Quote:

187, if i did the math right.
Now that really is a bit disappointing. Rather takes the shine of things.

Thanks for doing the calculation.So, while the ppi is not necessarily specified it is possible to calculate it.

I didn' t know that, thanks again.

volt 2010-06-08 01:04

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dot per inch would be resolution (dots) divided by inches. or something like that? might give different horizontal and vertical dpi.

and then there's ebay-dpi where you count subpixels (rgb) instead of pixels.

tso 2010-06-08 01:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebski (Post 704631)
Now that really is a bit disappointing. Rather takes the shine of things.

Thanks for doing the calculation.So, while the ppi is not necessarily specified it is possible to calculate it.

I didn' t know that, thanks again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_density

Kingsley 2010-06-08 01:15

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lol i think it's funny no one realy cared about dpi yesterday.. and yep 186.6 for the streak, printed media is only 300 dpi, i think it's all getting a bit carried awyay, most web pdfs are probably 90dpi - wich we used to use to assume screen res.. apple's own 30" lcd is only 100 and the n900 has the equivelent of QuadHD on a 17" screen.. is all a bit silly!

oh and for more to add to screen woes...
i don't believe there's a iPS transflective solution in manufacture, so daylight visibility will probably still be poor

volt 2010-06-08 01:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingsley (Post 704652)
lol i think it's funny no one realy cared about dpi yesterday..

i think you will find that before the N900 was in sales, i pointed out that the smaller screen at the same resolution ment higher dpi and that was a good thing. now that i have it, i still like the dpi but could want larger fonts :D

i like high dpis for devices held this close the face. but i like standard resolutions more. 800x480 is a good size for a cell phone.

tso 2010-06-08 01:26

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pixelqi seemed to be high angle, high visibility in their computex demos.

woodyear99 2010-06-08 01:28

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 
yup definitely too big to carry around normally. How am I supposed to fit this in a jeans pocket at the bar :p sticking with my n900

Kingsley 2010-06-08 01:32

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i do think they're a long way off comercialisation tho.
i'd like to hear what the streak's like outdoors.. but i'm the geekiest person i know, and i don't have one.. so doubt i'll be able to find out..

gemniii42 2010-06-12 05:13

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I've been looking for a replacement for my 810 since I bought it in 2007.
I really wanted the same size, unix, better camera, and a source for stylii :).

I "cut my teeth" on an HP95LX about 1995, then went thru a 100LX and 200LX. Then sat it out until the 810 came along. I tried a slew of PDA's, none fit the bill.

The bill:
Screen of decent size
Easy input
OS I can work with (I'll have to learn some Android:( )
Good connectivity
Community support (I learned early on never rely on mfg support)
Storage

Everything that's come along since has been useless to me. The Dell looks like it will fit in my shirt pocket. And to me one of the most important thing is to have your tools with you. It will be at about the max range of shirt pocket, but I won't need cargo pants.

Since 1995 I've been one of the geeks that when something came up in a meeting I could usually just whip out my computer and get an answer or fix things. I've remoted into Unix computers in Bosnia to fix things, with my 95LX. Ever since I got the N810 my peers were amazed. They would have to "go to their computer" or "get the laptop", I'd just wi-fi in and have the answer.

The iPhone looked great, but too small. The Newton and iPad too big.

I hope to be able to order my Streak soon.

lynjar 2010-06-12 10:39

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 
I picked up a Dell Streak as a companion device to my n900. Thanks Fonebank £260 for 3GS. I use the streak for Google Maps navigation, browsing and various alternatives to n900 functions. The best of both worlds. A nice ssh tool ConnectBot and c:geo for Geocaching.
I love the n900, it is and will remain my primary device. If it was a choice between the 2 it would be no contest. However, for train journeys the n900 and streak combination removes the need for a laptop or netbook.
On the storage side I have 32GB in the streak and 48GB in the n900.

Rebski 2010-06-12 19:21

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@lynjar
I am glad that you are happy and satisfied with your N900. What raises my curiosity is why the Streak should be so lacking in your comparison.

If you could find the time to elaborate perhaps you could post in more detail?

Where does the Streak fall short? Is it in screen quality – clarity, resolution, sharpness, colour reproduction.

Or is it more related to general optimisation, overall speed including opening web pages.

Is it lack of compatibility with standards, e.g. Flash, video playback, audio playback, codec support. Could it be to do with a paucity of useful applications?

Do you find the size and weight to be unwieldy? Is it the physical keyboard on the N900 that makes all the difference for you?

Sorry for so many questions but you are adamant in your preference for the N900, no reason why not so I am not posing this as an argument or a challenge, it is just that I would have expected there to be less of a difference in it then you clearly have found.

I am puzzled as well by the combination of these two devices in order not to have need for a netbook. Can you elaborate here as well? What is you do on a netbook than be done equally as well on a Streak and what else on the N900 and vice versa.

To declare my interest, the Streak is on a short list of two at the moment and I really need more personal opinions to help me decide. Also I can’t help but experience a twinge of envy over the contents of your gadget bag. I hope you get great enjoyment and use from your devices.

Thanks for the reference to Fonebank, i too am selling a 3GS in order to help fund my next purchase and this source is new to me.

speculatrix 2010-06-21 14:20

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more dell^Wnokia devices to come
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/21/n...ning-arm-in-q4

tso 2010-06-21 14:30

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err, that link talks about nokia products...

not that i would mind a 7" meego from nokia (tho i would worry about long term support until proven otherwise).

SD69 2010-07-07 11:35

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Support documents are available here:

http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?...at=sup&x=0&y=0

According to the Quick Reference Guide, you have to hold the camera key for 3 to 4 seconds to start the camera!

Sopwith 2010-07-07 16:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 743578)
Support documents are available here:

http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?...at=sup&x=0&y=0

According to the Quick Reference Guide, you have to hold the camera key for 3 to 4 seconds to start the camera!

...or, touch the Camera icon... you likely don't want to take random pictures of the inside of your pocket...

Veix 2010-07-07 17:30

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Does the streak have FM transmitter ? I dont see it in specs...
Or could it be added by car dock, or with some kindof universal cigaret-lighter-usbcharger-fmtransmitter device?

Average Joe 2010-07-14 14:28

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 
Any news on the Streak's launch? I heard rumors it was suppose to launch on AT&T today.

kureyon 2010-07-15 07:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebski (Post 704601)
Dell only says that the Streak has 'high pixel density' but don't say what the figure actually is. Which again is a point that I was making.

Does anybody know what it is?

Jeez, you hear Jobs saying "high pixel density" is good, but you don't even know what it means. If you did you would know how to work it out yourself knowing the pixel count and screen size and simple maths.

SD69 2010-07-15 11:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 743875)
...or, touch the Camera icon... you likely don't want to take random pictures of the inside of your pocket...

That's what the lock key is for, IMHO. A 3-4 second delay everytime you want to start the camera vs. a few pictures when you forget to lock. I realize that it's easier to implement a touch only interface and many people are doing it these days but I don't think it's better from user standpoint. I like keys for basic camera functions - one to start the camera and shutter release, and two for zooming

AlMehdi 2010-07-15 12:04

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If it had a better resolution.. like 1050x620, resisitiv screen and a keyboard. A big *** battery and running a debian based OS.. like Maemo or Ubuntu.

..Maybe.

Sopwith 2010-07-15 12:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 752673)
That's what the lock key is for, IMHO. A 3-4 second delay everytime you want to start the camera vs. a few pictures when you forget to lock. I realize that it's easier to implement a touch only interface and many people are doing it these days but I don't think it's better from user standpoint. I like keys for basic camera functions - one to start the camera and shutter release, and two for zooming

Agreed. I also think 3-4 sec is too much, but I am trying hard to like this phone :o

On the other hand, an advantage of touch-controlled camera that I learned from one of N8 promotional videos is that it may allow for a steadier shot... still I am likelier to use the dedicated button.

So when is this thing coming out?

SD69 2010-07-15 12:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 752720)
Agreed. I also think 3-4 sec is too much, but I am trying hard to like this phone :o

On the other hand, an advantage of touch-controlled camera that I learned from one of N8 promotional videos is that it may allow for a steadier shot... still I am likelier to use the dedicated button.

So when is this thing coming out?

Not steadier for me. I think that's an excuse for using touch only interface - digital cameras have had shutter release keys for years... also, you have to look for the soft button whereas my finger can easily find the key without looking.

End of July is the current buzz. www.streaksmart.com will keep you updated ;)

Rebski 2010-07-15 14:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kureyon (Post 752450)
Jeez, you hear Jobs saying "high pixel density" is good, but you don't even know what it means. If you did you would know how to work it out yourself knowing the pixel count and screen size and simple maths.

Thanks to Tso I now know who to calculate pixel density.
Thanks to you..... I don’t know .....what?

imperiallight 2010-07-15 23:38

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PPI has changed my whole obsession with wanting larger screened devices in my pocket.

We have had the Streak for a while in the UK and its just massive, I get this impression the more I look at it. Running an old version of Android.

But I can see its attraction as a tablet, I get the same benefit on my smaller tethered Archos 5 Android.

Rebski 2010-07-16 15:51

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Quote:

PPI has changed my whole obsession with wanting larger screened devices in my pocket.
From my experience, I can relate to that. Smaller and sharper beats larger and blurrier. The trouble for me now, after a few weeks with the Streak, is that I want both larger and sharper.

The superiority of text on the iPhone4 over the Streak is undoubted.
http://www.streaksmart.com/2010/06/d...-iphone-4.html
However text on the Streak is better than text on my iPhone 3GS.

The Streak screen is very good indeed and I don’t feel disadvantaged, nonetheless as soon as Dell releases Streak 2 with a Retina type display I shall get one.

Average Joe 2010-07-20 20:17

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Official streak pre-sale page is up. http://app.dellhome.usa.dell.com/enr...ile/signup.cfm

bxbomber 2010-07-21 01:34

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to bad i haven't seen any more mention of a tmo 3g version.

swajime 2010-07-22 02:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by msa (Post 698212)
for a device thats capable of doing telephoning, its just too big.

I've already got a phone !!!

swajime 2010-07-28 17:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ludio (Post 354317)
Well if this is a Dell hardware design they could take it and shrink it down... I find it simpering and attractive... The load time is kinda horrendous... I would think it's running the latest cortex a8 or similar.. Too boot that long is questionable... It would be a god work desk device if the immediate Internet is not at your disposal but it's too big to be a real everyday device... N900 of the same lenght bit with the streaks thickness would be boss... Future iterations I am sure will have such qualites it's just a matter of patients... Dell streak is a sexy piece hardware though... I like gadgets!

I didn't intend to be a patient ... :(
And I don't want to continue to be a patient, undergoing experimental nSeries experiments.
I'm actively looking for an upgrade to the n810 ...
Bigger screen w/ stylus, higher resolution, physical keyboard, linux, something as good as maemo-mapper (what happened to gnuite.com???), and still pocketable. Oh ... Nokia, or whomever else (Dell?), providing reasonable support it for a period of time longer than a couple of battery replacements!

What's wrong with a video-speaker-phone that's big enough to see? You'd look really silly holding a videophone up to your ear :p

The n810 is a damn good product. I thought only Micro$#!+ had a policy of making good hardware obsolete by using proprietary drivers and software to force hardware upgrades to match forced software upgrades that cost more money and provide LESS than what was originally purchased !!! :eek: :mad:

Now, I'm looking at the Streak, the Fujitsu uSeries, the Pandora, and whatever else I can find to fit the bill that isn't "abandoned", and hopefully won't be anytime soon.

swajime 2010-07-29 01:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SpencerNSO (Post 698191)
Is there any real talk on attempting to porting Maemo or the smartphone Meego OS(when it's released) to Dell Streak?
I don't want to say which is the best device for anyone else.
For me, an updated version of the N810 would be perfect. I was disappointed when I found that they shrunk the N900 to its current size.
I am definitely interested in the larger screen but not too big (again for me) on the Dell Streak, wish there was a physical keyboard, but oh well...
I am really enjoying the Maemo OS on the N900 and I would love to continue to use it on the Dell Streak when it's released in the US.
I'm fairly end-user GUI savvy, but wouldn't know where to begin to installing a non native OS on such a customized device as a smartphone/tablet.
I did see a few previous posts regarding flashing or porting an OS to the Streak, but it still seems that it may be possible.
Is anyone seriously looking into this?

Me TOO

There IS a physical keyboard for the streak ...
I dunno how good of a fit it is though.

http://www.pocketables.net/2010/07/l...-keyboard.html

imperiallight 2010-07-29 01:25

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It's not for the streak as such, its the Di Novo mini which has been out for ages. Its a blue tooth keyboard + trackpad with a lid.

anthony_barker 2010-07-30 14:59

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Still only 800 x 480 - I want 1024 by 600

kureyon 2010-07-30 16:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swajime (Post 768558)
There IS a physical keyboard for the streak ...

Nah, that's for Windows/Windows Mobile machines. Note the Fn+Enter = CTRL+ALT+DEL combination :)

imperiallight 2010-07-30 16:47

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 
Yeah I think its meant to be more of a media remote for PC entertainment centres from your sofa.

Rebski 2010-07-31 10:32

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http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboa...d/devices/3848

Sopwith 2010-08-11 01:35

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The Streak was finally announced in the US. They surely lost a lot by delaying so much. If it all was to get a deal with AT&T for a $250 subsidy, then totally not worth it.

Still coming only with Android 1.6 until September. Dell could have used the time since the UK launch to ship with 2.1, but didn't. At $550, I'd pass without looking twice.

Rebski 2010-08-12 11:35

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Quote:

At $550, I'd pass without looking twice.
Back in the day when this was an internet tablet forum for the N770/N800 the members would have creamed themselves over a device such as the Streak. This was what we were clamouring Nokia to give us. Naturally we were completely ignored by Nokia but now Dell has come through with a major fulfilment of our wish list.

In the meantime the site has become a mobile phone forum and all that has changed. The once passionate debate by enthusiasts committed to the form factor is no more.

Perhaps the multitude of iPhone competitors with varying screen sizes up to 4.3” has blurred the boundaries. No harm to that either - choice is good.

Nonetheless I am bemused by the shift, what was once intensely desirable and unattainable is now available and yet receives cursory dismissive attention.


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