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w00t 2009-10-23 20:51
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjenkins334 (Post 356822)
Does it sound to anyone else that Nokia may be starting to concentrate on Maemo 6, at the expense of the N900 and Freemantle?
No.

I don't know what development experience you have (if any), but this isn't atypical. People will already be working on M6, yes, that's natural - but part of that is because there's only so much that the M5 people can contribute at this stage. For example, the UI designers, hardware people, etc - are going to have pretty much nothing to add to bug fixing, since it's completely out of their area - and you don't want them sitting around doing nothing.

Keep trying to not go insane, remember your patience, and the awesome will come in time. :p

Suurorca 2009-10-23 20:59
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Think about it this way:

The goal is to make the ultimate OS. One that by far surpasses all competition. You don't spend a year just making bug fixes, there's always the next, bigger, better release coming.

This of course is something not usually possible in garage software projects, but I suppose it would be possible for the linux kernel developers, for example, to organize separate "future visions" team. But I guess that's not the way they feel it should be done :p

quingu 2009-10-23 21:01
Re: New shiping date is 03/11?
 
Quote:
Bei Vorbestellung ist eine Anlieferung voraussichtlich ab dem 25. November 2009 möglich.
German Nokia Page

andree 2009-10-23 21:12
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 356852)
It is and it isn't. We want mainstream exposure, but at the same time, we don't - I think.

Personally I think wider exposure can only be a good thing. It'll result in a more polished end-product. Being able to hack at it is great, but I'd rather not have to hack at it to make it functional in the first place when I'm spending so much on it :D
sure it is a good thing, no doubt there - I only wished that the wider exposure didn't mean focusing on things like pretty icons, instead of stuff like the mentioned usb otg.. discussed too many times alread, let's end it here :)


Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 356852)
Perhaps I came across a bit harsh, and if I did, sorry. I've become very addicted to Maemo as a whole (let's not even start on the N900), so I'm a fairly addicted visitor/reader/poster on here now.
completely the same here, no harm done .) let's hope we get our n900s soon and live happily ever after enhancing and developing for maemo... :o))

att 2009-10-23 21:19
Re: New shiping date is 03/11?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cenwesi (Post 356841)
what in devils name are you guys saying. Nokia's website says END OF OCTOBER 2009.
N900 has been delayed about 2-4 weeks:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...093#post355093

jjenkins334 2009-10-23 21:37
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 356854)
No.

I don't know what development experience you have (if any), but this isn't atypical. People will already be working on M6, yes, that's natural - but part of that is because there's only so much that the M5 people can contribute at this stage. For example, the UI designers, hardware people, etc - are going to have pretty much nothing to add to bug fixing, since it's completely out of their area - and you don't want them sitting around doing nothing.

Keep trying to not go insane, remember your patience, and the awesome will come in time. :p
My "official" title is Enterprise Architect, but I would definitely NOT consider myself a developer.;)

My point was to priorities, and whether Nokia was now so focused on Maemo 6 that it was distracting them from completing the Freemantle /N900 effort. I have no problem with them having multiple prongs of attack on the different projects, as that just makes good business sense. It becomes an issue when you start pulling your best people off of the old project to support the new, keeping only a skeleton crew to complete the initial job. I can't tell you how many times I've seen it happen.

ceroberts75 2009-10-24 04:04
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sorry, just subscribing to thread

les_garten 2009-10-24 06:07
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ceroberts75 (Post 357013)
sorry, just subscribing to thread
Check thread tools up top!

spinnukur 2009-10-24 07:53
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
By the time this phone comes out, I'm sure the N920 or a Maemo 6 device will have been announced already...


Only reason I can think of, of why it's delayed is because hardware feedback they got from the majority of users of the '300'

Hmmm...reminds me a movie!

Nokia marketing slogan:

300...never again will they'll be so many devices!

sonicer 2009-10-24 07:58
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 357049)
By the time this phone comes out, I'm sure the N920 or a Maemo 6 device will have been announced already...
Therefore i am thinking of buying the motorola droid:confused:

qole 2009-10-24 08:46
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 355347)
This Forum however, and maemo.org by extension has always been an exceptional source of timely and accurate information.

It wouldn't surprise me if Vlad at endgadget got his pointers to this on the Chronicles of n900

and that habeeb and evilm0nkey were also members of this forum or organization.

So the the lack of communication and updates to the Nokia site don't bother at all.
I find it very amusing that Peter posted the news of the November delay here in these forums first and then people come back to these forums with links from other websites which got their news from these forums (and didn't attribute their sources, ie the post from Peter here in these forums) and start new threads.

Funny. Sad, but funny.

(EDIT: evilm0nkey, Vlad, shame on you for not linking to these forums. Bad journalism!)

davedickson 2009-10-24 09:48
Re: New shiping date is 03/11?
 
After speaking to mobile phones direct (UK) they give a shipping date of the 16th November, but I agree everyone seems to have a different date!!

x61 2009-10-24 09:56
Re: New shiping date is 03/11?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cenwesi (Post 356841)
what in devils name are you guys saying. Nokia's website says END OF OCTOBER 2009.
Nokia USA website is just tired of changing the date every time. That's why the
Quote:
Originally Posted by NokiaUSA
End of October 2009
is left unchanged.

spinnukur 2009-10-24 18:41
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 357070)
I find it very amusing that Peter posted the news of the November delay here in these forums first and then people come back to these forums with links from other websites which got their news from these forums (and didn't attribute their sources, ie the post from Peter here in these forums) and start new threads.

Funny. Sad, but funny.

(EDIT: evilm0nkey, Vlad, shame on you for not linking to these forums. Bad journalism!)
After initially reading the N900Blog and not seeing any link to our thread/forum, I posted a nice little comment for the jackass with a link to the exact thread where Peter posted his comment, not to mention I told him he needed to link his quotes, He made it initially sound like Peter had emailed him directly and two days after I posted the link, he changed a few sentences and finally linked our thread.

Dumbass was just doing it so he'd get more people to visit his blog and somehow convince them that he had some kind of direct communication with Peter.

Bratag 2009-10-25 03:44
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 357049)
By the time this phone comes out, I'm sure the N920 or a Maemo 6 device will have been announced already...


Only reason I can think of, of why it's delayed is because hardware feedback they got from the majority of users of the '300'

Hmmm...reminds me a movie!

Nokia marketing slogan:

300...never again will they'll be so many devices!
I doubt very much if its a hardware issue. More likely software tweaks. I think its great that they listened to the 300. Two weeks I can wait for a more stable device

deadmalc 2009-10-25 14:48
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Well I dropped into the London Nokia store, no N900 on display and they said November before it comes.
At least this time they seemed well informed and everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet.

The_Solutor 2009-10-25 14:58
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Shop.nokia.de has now 25/11/2009 as release date... :(

w00t 2009-10-25 15:24
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Solutor (Post 357713)
Shop.nokia.de has now 25/11/2009 as release date... :(
I would consider that a good thing. I'd much rather they post a date *later* than the actual launch than continually post earlier dates, as apparantly Nokia DE has been doing. Nokia UK has always just said 'November' to me, without any actual date attached to it.

The_Solutor 2009-10-25 15:52
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Here in italy the release date on the shop nokia was

28/10/2009

now is

"online as it happens".

I agree with You, a late date is better than a continuously delayed date but I find this differences between countries frustrating.

Until the last delay, the Italian shop was saying 28/10, the German one: "end of October", the UK one: "November", the French one: "no word".

Who said "globalizzation" ?

les_garten 2009-10-25 15:57
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Solutor (Post 357722)

now is

"online as it happens".
Heh, can't say as I blame them. Ohhh, and I think that's the same way they deliver the mail there too!

sharper 2009-10-25 16:26
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
The only thing I can say is when they ship they'd better make sure they ship enough to satisfy preorders and expected demand. A delay of a week or two could mean people who ordered in September/October are waiting until 2010 for their device.

w00t 2009-10-25 16:29
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sharper (Post 357740)
The only thing I can say is when they ship they'd better make sure they ship enough to satisfy preorders and expected demand. A delay of a week or two could mean people who ordered in September/October are waiting until 2010 for their device.
Mmm. I can't really see that happening. At least, I really hope not. I'd think that early adopters would be the ones they'd satisfy first to avoid the lynch mobs. :p

sharper 2009-10-25 16:53
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 357742)
Mmm. I can't really see that happening. At least, I really hope not. I'd think that early adopters would be the ones they'd satisfy first to avoid the lynch mobs. :p
The thing that worries me is this "select markets" stuff. The device might well ship at the end of November but experience tells me there's often a delay of weeks to months between that and it becoming available to buy everywhere.

Of course ebay sellers will love it but nobody else will.

att 2009-10-25 16:56
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sharper (Post 357740)
The only thing I can say is when they ship they'd better make sure they ship enough to satisfy preorders and expected demand. A delay of a week or two could mean people who ordered in September/October are waiting until 2010 for their device.
I expect Nokia's factories to assemble N900s into warehouses in full steam while Maemo team is finalizing the firmware. If so the delay should make possible larger initial shipments.

sharper 2009-10-25 17:00
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 357750)
I expect Nokia's factories to assemble N900s into warehouses in full steam while Maemo team is finalizing the firmware. If so the delay should make possible larger initial shipments.
I think this is likely and that what they're doing is basically rolling out the N900 in every market on the same date they originally planned to to roll it out in the last market, so from their perspective it's not really a "delay" as such and just an adjustment to the rollout. However sometimes common sense and the actions of large companies don't really align :)

Dave999 2009-10-25 17:05
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
if they needed feedback from dev's. why not plan for it instead. and if they need more time to bugfix/adjustments, Admit the planning was bad and the product isn't ready for market.

nilchak 2009-10-25 17:43
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Well I never pre-ordered, though have been looking forward to it getting released.

But this way they are losing the holiday shopping window in the US at least.

pr0xyfl00d3r 2009-10-25 19:17
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
well i have no trouble waiting just hope the time flies till its in my hands :-)

deadmalc 2009-10-25 19:34
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 357761)
if they needed feedback from dev's. why not plan for it instead. and if they need more time to bugfix/adjustments, Admit the planning was bad and the product isn't ready for market.
mmmm....they probably did plan for it, what makes you think they didn't?

They don't need to admit it isn't ready for market, if it was ready I would have one wouldn't I?

Not every market is like the microsoft/apple one, where vista was the best OS ever and the original iphone was brilliant. ;)

Guffaw 2009-10-25 23:29
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Confirmation of November in this video @8:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkiivAuMmBo#t=8m50s

bugelrex 2009-10-25 23:49
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deadmalc (Post 357828)
mmmm....they probably did plan for it, what makes you think they didn't?

They don't need to admit it isn't ready for market, if it was ready I would have one wouldn't I?

Not every market is like the microsoft/apple one, where vista was the best OS ever and the original iphone was brilliant. ;)
Nokia had always targeted Oct release, the Maemo summit was on Oct 8. If they had planned for fixes to any feedback from developers they only realistically gave themselves less than 2 weeks for fix and QA(at least 1 week for developers to find issues) which is totally unrealistic for a release quality firmware.

They could not have "planned" the final release around potential feedback from developers.

zdux0012 2009-10-26 01:56
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
The credit card I used for pre-order was charged.
I think we can assume that the delay is over

NvyUs 2009-10-26 02:06
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zdux0012 (Post 357936)
The credit card I used for pre-order was charged.
I think we can assume that the delay is over
what site did you pre-order from?

ceroberts75 2009-10-26 02:06
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
they charged you on a sunday?

they charged (put a hold on the funds) on my credit card on 10/1/09 and then again on 10/10/09...and nothing since.


tomorrow is monday. i will see in the morning if they put a hold or actually charge my card.


the hold was placed by brightpoint (nokia directly) though i have a pre-order with nokia directly for 1 and also with expansysusa for one...but they will call me first.

hypnotik 2009-10-26 02:09
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zdux0012 (Post 357936)
The credit card I used for pre-order was charged.
I think we can assume that the delay is over
where did you order from? Is it an actual charge v. authorization hold?

Guffaw 2009-10-26 02:21
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Hm. They have removed the hold on mine.

Bruce 2009-10-26 02:21
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
"Nokia Brightpoint" authorized my card again on the 24th. Not a charge just a hold. I doubt we will have our phones in anything less than 30 days.

r0eladn 2009-10-26 02:23
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51pX4h-Q2Nc

mhotep 2009-10-26 02:23
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zdux0012 (Post 357936)
The credit card I used for pre-order was charged.
I think we can assume that the delay is over
Several others have had cards charged or holds placed on card. We can assume wait is over when someone gets a shipping with delivery date notice. Until then nothing matters. Now back to watching videos to feed my desire.

DaKing 2009-10-26 02:32
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
i need an extreme help please in this decision
i have to travel outside usa for late december to lebanon soon ( in 14 november ) so at this page https://www.expansys.ae/checkoutcomplete.aspx i saw that they say the N900 can ship worldwide UK version and they charge like 40$ deleviry only but the strange thing in expansys.ae the only middle east country there. list the total price with shiping 720$ and in london there origin cost 500 pound which is offcourse more how is that ? and is it trusted that i make this deal with them? btw they say DHL shipping..
so please help me with that decesion and the 720$ price is good for me if it is safe thnx in advance :)


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