Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying you're either objective or you make a comparison. I've given you clear examples of what disturbs me.

You could simply say "the device becomes slow after xyz" instead of "the device becomes slow after xys unlike the other device that doesn't"

I didn't say I disagree with most of your points but just with the way you put them.

And if you never owned another device than a nokia, why the comparison with iPhone, a device you never had?
Why not hotlink the latest firmware for me, my friend? :) http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php "I have a problem locating my N900's IMEI."
So I may stop calling you ill willed.

Thanks!

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Not sure what you want me to do. Even if I enter my IM number and send you the link it will still take you back to the page which requires you to enter the number.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

I must apologize if anything I said sounds like "tell me more about you"; but if It'd make you feel easier by telling you I care, I could lie for once.

That was your points that drew my interest, thus I responded, which you evaded. That's it.

So I'd be grateful if you'd bring up more points to discuss. Even when you could not make a point, your English is still worth reading.

But by any chance you still want to share your personal business, you can bring it to a place called Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll, this is where people who care live.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Could I see for myself?

Please provide the link if you can.

Thanks

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

you need to add that this device does not have CURRENT FLASH and a "full web experience".

Need to highlight that the flash on n900 is outdated and becoming 100% useless as sites upgrade.

So buyers of n900 at this time need to be aware that for the purposes of accessing the web, the n900 is NOT flash capable.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Unfortunately the flash in N900 is 100% backwards compatible and there's no not working flash thingy on the entire web:)

However I doubt he even has an N900 since he couldn't provide any link behind http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
IMHO being unable to complete such a simple task clearly proves he might not even own the device himself, so I won't stop calling him a troll as I will call you since you obviously don't have the device if you make such a far fetched statement ;) )

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Err the n900 has flash. Therefore, it is flash capable. It doesn't show you a blue box like the iphone. How many sites using flash have upgraded?

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Youtube has, works like a charm;)

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

>> Err the n900 has flash. Therefore, it is flash capable. It doesn't show you a blue box like the iphone. How many sites using flash have upgraded?

.... I lost access to sky fm, i.e.

http://www.sky.fm/play/uptemposmoothjazz

you hit a block page - FLASH 10 required - no sky fm for n900

As more sites migrate, you hit more of this behaviour.

And yes, i eventually found a "backdoor" to deal with this, but this is just an example of flash 9.4 on its way out.

To downplay this issue is just fanboyism, the n900 concept works on providing a great web experience so that gazillion of customised apps are NOT needed, but without flash 10 you are missing a basic foundation.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

I have both N900 and 3GS

The N900 sucks..........................

totally and utterly........................

buy a 3gs , you WONT regret it...................

months of waiting for bug fixes and "features" really pissed me off

and when i say features i mean basic stuff like mms/exchange sync/doenst do bluetooth sync with BMW iDrive ie cant see phone numbers on iDrive

I could go on....

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

i love the n900 for some of its abilities that iphones do not offer

i.e. great multitasking, watching xvid vids and stuff on multiple formats and most importantly to me, hardware keyboard.

but stupid dumbass moves by Nokia has pissed off many to the extend I actively discourage ppl from buying Nokia now if ppl ask me for a recommendation because I do not want my friends screwed over.

This is a pure case of Dilbertism. Nokia has become the bloody pointy haired boss and many posters here who were once fans feel like dilbert.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

@gary
The only thing that disturbs me in this thread is that it's not an objective thread but a A vs B compariso-bashing thread.
As for 3GS I already regretted far too much with the 3G, so thanks but NO THANKS!. As much as I tried, the lack of functionality and cheap build quality outweigh any advantage it could have.

@Frappachino
This behavior is somewhat unmet on most flash 10 pages and there's only one android with flash 10 available. IMHO this is as relevant as "swiping is sometimes slow".
Also why would you listen to a radio station with the browser instead of the music player? It's not only the battery issue but why would you shoot a pig with a cannon when you have a gun? just to make a point? :/

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Complaining about flash 10 is pointless. Unless you are comparing the n900 to the nexus one. No other device has flash 10

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

shortened :D

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Please fix your post and format it better, nothing sensible can be made out of it.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

I'm pretty sure my n900 syncs videos from my iTunes. Aren't those mp4?

Sans Nexus One, what mobile device has flash 10? What percentage of web content depends on flash 10?

Mine does. Even better quality when using zoutube

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

why are people repeating that flash 10 is not coming?!

there was a recent chat with a rep. of nokia sweden that makes clear that there is no reason to give up hope on the matter:

"Andrew: Hey, what about flash 10.x on an N900. Will there be the ability to run Flash 10.x on N900? If yes, when can you expect it?

Nokia: Hi, There have been many who ask it and I have had some email. In the current situation we can not answer that but we will return. Sincerely, Klas "

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

are u fraking kidding ? has fanboyism taken over your mind ?

that is a webpage i lost access to its is a demostration of how flash upgrade will hit n900 users when the majority of sites move

not every website is like youtubre who will support every standard because doing so cost $$$

when adobe release flash 10 for most systems except for maemo (they have indicated in articles most mobile oses will get it and maemo was NOT listed ) sites will just wack on an implementation like the above because they cant be bothered totest and cater for users stuck on flash 9.4

thats when m5 users get shafted

that time is not now yet but it WILL come and that site i quoted is just a prelude of things to come

whether its a bloody rdio stsaion or not has no relevance to the ddiscussion

i swear nokia fanboyism is a disease bad as iphone fanboyism.

as for why ppl its not coming whenevetr ppl have asked about n900 stuff and nokia says no comment it usually has not come

i.e. meego ovi and others

when nokia is releaing something for n900 like qt it makes sure veryone knows it

also i trust quole much more then the interview and this pattern fits with nokias past behvior

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

worthless without a link

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

quick google finds

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-...ymbian-OS-403/

"every popular mobile os except apple iphone"

well i guess m5 is not popular and meego not out yet

oversight ?

maybe but given nokia silence i wont bet on it

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

That article claims the announcement was made at Adobe MAX 2009, right?

Look at this video from that conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pee3nT4bPw4

The only high end symbian phone coming out this year is the n8. The n8 has Flash Lite 4 not flash 10.1

Re: N900 Problem list.
 

i got a n900 not long ago im super happy with it but the last update to maemo has riuned the phone for me it was brilliant before now i cant use the conversations widget and the on screen keypad layout is terrible and having everything set out in one main menu is apalling it was really good having my apps in the more tab in the main menu if i new how to reset my phone i would. maemo give me back the previous update please. other than that buy this phone the browser and gps makes iphones look like hunks of steaming dung.:)

Re: N900 Problem list.
 

mine works fine. Actually even better now that is upgraded to pr1.2... and by the way it is my main device now. it has replaced both my netbook, my mp3 player and my symbian phone...

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Leave it be just ignore the tr0ll.

N8 has flash lite which has only reached version 4. I don't really know the differences between full and lite, but I had flash lite 3 on N82 and never had an issue on video sites or swf games...

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Leave these kids alone. They just don't get a clue. Let them roll on the ground whine like pigs. They stuck here just because they own a device that their tiny brains are incapable to comprehend. Imagine, a monkey would have wanted a stick then a gun, he'd also complain for not getting an iPhone....ar, stick.

However, their ego is too high to admit their stupidity, so they'd just keep complaining rather than selling their device for a simpler one.

Their complains won't stop, as you may see their idiocy in complaining flash 10. When they're given 10, they'd complain not getting 11, then 12, then 13.....heck, there's no cure for their shortsightedness.

So, if you've to argue with them, you must go all the way down to their level, and let them beat you there. XD

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Guys, this thread is an opportunity to have a level-headed discussion about what people complain about the N900, to get clarification of their complaints and to see if there are practical ways to address those problems.

Why turn it into yet another pointless mindless battleground?

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Complaining on not getting flash 10 is a level-headed discussion? Come on, they'd complain on not getting flash 11 when they got 10, and so forth.

This is not a discussion, this is troll-feeding. You don't want to prolong this thread with trolling and troll-feeding do you? So please stop encouraging them.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Then why not make the first post accordingly to PR 1.2 and make it objective?

I simply asked to remove the iPhone comparisons from the first post because even as the author said:
So how can he really know in what fields iPhone would behave better?

It's not that I say he's a liar, but does he really have an N900? Most of his post is picked up from scraps around the forum, his own complaints aren't quite supported by more than 3-4 users and a correct discussion can't be based on an outdated report - he seems unable to update to PR 1.2... that if he has an N900... my bad only Nokias he said...

So let's have a level headed discussion instead of yet another "vs". thread ;)
This is really all I asked: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=154

Re: N900 Problem list.
 

EDIT: becomes irreverent after thread merged.

Re: N900 Problem list.
 

The conversation widget has an update but this is in Extras-Devel Repo'. If you are happy to use this repo' and know the warnings then this should fix your first issue. Well, one of them anyway.

Back on topic. The phone works just great for me... Couldn't have chosen a better mobile/tablet or what ever you want to call it!

Re: N900 Problem list.
 

I lookat it as I would my laptop.......theye no t perfect and you will occsionaly get shutdowns unexpected errors (that never return). Nothing is perfect.I have my days when I wish I had a iphone or desire.....that moment soon passes when I release that they only do whats on the box..........N900 you can do what you like there is no boundries.So do your research and then decide what you want the device todo. I chose the N900 and I am not disapointed (frustrared sometimes may I add lol).
Good luck with your choice.

Re: N900 Problem list.
 

There is already a thread for this.
N900 issues for potential buyers

Re: N900 Problem list.
 

This one is totally irreverent now--->http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=186

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

I don't know about etuoyo's experience in regards to iphone, but I own an iPhone (currently 3GS, but I've also owned the 3G and 1st gen) and I agree 100% with that passage about N900 vs iPhone comparison by etuoyo that you questioned.

I'd even add that the experience of using and navigating on the last gen of iPhone (3G) is in whole still generally smoother and more fluid than the N900.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Forgive me if the words sound offensive to you.

The argument is not on whether he made a valid comparison, it's his claim 'never own other phone that is not Nokia' questionable: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=188

You own both devices so of course you can testify. However, in this regard, have you taken into account that, under the same CPU condition, N900 has 800x480 pixels and multitasking, while iPhone only has 480x320 pixels and selective tasking?

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

As a matter of fact, I have:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...933#post547933

But that's part of Nokia's design decision isn't it?
Those improvements are chalked up as N900's positive points on a different list and they have to bear the compromises of their design decisions as cons on this list.

Moreover, the UI smoothness issue has been discussed and attributed to software issue that could be addressed without any hardware changes. So in the end, it's not hardware limitation afterall... they're design deficiencies.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Why should Nokia compromises? What's the niche in N900 if Nokia wanted to do it the same way as iPhone?

Do we want another iPhone clone?

The last paragraph of your reply has already been strayed away from our initial argument on "UI comparison between N900 and iPhone". I'd rather start another thread elsewhere because I don't want to open too many discussions in this tiresome thread. I hope you don't mind.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

Higher resolution may result in higher cost, higher amount of digital assets to make use of (storage, ram, cpu, gpu) which may result in higher power drain. It depends on what's available at the time of design.

Let's not make wrongful assumptions and harshly act on them in a level headed discussion.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

I see your point, but if Nokia has chosen anything less for N900 I wouldn't buy it, and I think that speaks for many people.

I just want to say I agree that iPhone is smoother in UI, but since hardware-wise N900's overhead is higher, the comparison is unfair.

No..don't worry. It was just my wrongly chosen words that make it looks bad. My apology.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 

One dimensional metrics are generally true for hobbyist with simpler usage patters. Case in point, PC gamers/modders. When you try to make decisions for a more complex problems (ie: choosing a handheld device to use for 20,000 mobile workers in 15 countries) then 'the best device' won't be measured with as simple metrics as the previous example.

Will you accept an iPhone fanboy citing (Apple's design decision of) not having a hardware keyboard when they fall behind in typing speed? Let's not pick and choose as you deem convenient. These products all have compromises, none of them are universally perfect.

I also think that you will have to eat your own words when this deficiency is fixed in the future (unofficial MeeGo for N900, maybe).