Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Yup. Interesting wording, though:

Depending on what happens with the Maemo 2.x series now, I see the following as the best strategy forward for the 770 community:

Fork it.

Combine Maemo 2.x as a base, with the proprietary components of the 770 image overlaid and then merge changes from the Maemo 3.x public tree back.

This should, theoretically, result in a new software image for the 770 with the same proprietary components (no Opera 8.5 or Flash 7), but improved desktop, applications etc.

This is not likely to be easy (losing the proprietary components isn't too hard, but maintaining them as well as the rest of the updated framework might be: especially since they can't be recompiled).

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

That is, unfortunately, exactly the situation I fled from in the Zaurus space : on one side, a plethora of "free", hacker-oriented distributions, all half-done and lacking key end-user components ; on the other, a few brave maintainers of QTopia derivatives of the original firmware, trying to introduce improvements while keeping the useful or mandatory proprietary bits. Eventually the latter became so hobbled by the constraints of the legacy software that they just lost interest and disappeared.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Indeed. It is not, by any stretch of the imagination, an ideal scenario.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I'm pissed off!!!
I'm going to dump Nokia and wait until there will be a real open source device.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Exactly. I had a Zaurus too and for a while virtually everyone was making a distro for it, which led to lots and lots of re-flashing and frustration with the limitations and bugginess inherent in that. Eventually my Z broke; I had a protection plan on it and used the money to buy a digital camera. I'm not particularly sad about that as Sharp shot itself in the foot repetitively with the terrible way they communicated and interacted with the community.

Ari Jaaksi wrote:
... However,as I said Nokia will not make Os2007 on 770.

But I agree that with more time and resources we could have provided a better support for the 770. We will learn from this!
https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?b...95527846199166

The funny thing is that he phrases it as if the 770 support is dead-and-buried already. R.I.P. 770, basically. I don't understand his statement about learning from it at all because it's as if it's somehow going to be so much easier to support the n800 when the "n900" (or whatever) comes out. It doesn't make any sense; unless the next device will have little or no changes from this one -unlikely- we'll be in the same situation next year. He'll be sorry about dropping support for the n800 and sure it'll be better next time.
/rant

Sorry, I just really feel like somebody punched me, hearing the official news about this. I was so hoping that Nokia would get it right and provide continuity and compatibility from device to device, even if it was only for one generation back. I was planning on getting a n800 but now it doesn't seem like a good idea any more.

Larry

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I think Ari is referring to the support up to this point of the 770, not necessarily meaning to kill it off at this point.

And his posts are written in the infamous "Finnglish", which means there's the possibility of misinterpretation. I would take the most important sentence in that post ("we will learn from this!") and take some comfort from that-- and everything else with a grain of salt. ;)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Can someone recommend a 4GB SD card? I see various speeds 50x, 150x, SDHC, SDA 2.0?

Does the speed of the card matter for the N800? Will a fast SD card make web browsing any faster? And once i get my card, what memory tweaks, files swaps, etc should I do to my N800?

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Card speed really only matters when copying large files straight to or from a card itself, in normal use you'd be hard pressed to notice the difference. It does not impact the web browser in any way.

I recommend first trying the device without any swap files or other tweaks. Unlike the 770, the N800 has quite a lot (percentage wise of total memory) free working memory after booting up. If an application manages to consume all this memory, it's probably consuming memory at such a rate that it's just going to chew through whatever swap you have. This is not a good thing, it's probably better that the application just terminates instead of brining the whole device to a grinding halt because of the swapping.

Swap is a good thing if you find that you cannot have as many applications open at the same time as you would like. This isn't easy to achieve, you can open every single application that comes installed on the N800 without exhausting the memory.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Thanks for the info Zim! You rawk!

Im gonna do dual 4GBs, maybe dual 8GBs...hmmm?

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I started the thread 4GB+ SD Cards - list of working cards? to gather this information - so far nobody has logged any details (though I only created it a few hours ago!)

If there are no entries after a few days I'd become suspicious about claims that 4GB cards work, or it could be that the thread has dropped off the radar (I may have to bounce it a few times!)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Just picked up mine today. The Mission Viejo CompUSA had about 4 in stock. :)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Woah I've had my N880 a whole day, went on the "homepage", and nokia already has an update for me......

yep. OS 2007 edition v. 2.2006.51-6 is now available! I'm downloading it now......supposedly it provides "Nokia Internet Call Invitation (Beta) feature..new feature for easy internet calling between Nokia N800 and PC users; also calls between two N800s are supported...a simple wizard through which N800 users can smoothly invite their friends to free-of-charge internet video or voice calls by chat or email......", Bluetooth connection on/off enabler, and Improvements in finger usage, among other improvements"

and I am positive that those other improvements will include support for my thinkoutside stowaway bluetooth keyboard, divx and xvid codec support, and the almightly magical ability for the N880 to run maemomapper (rendering hopelessly needless the proprietary "navicore")

oop sarcastometer overload..


dcarter

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Just to let you know Ebay has one seller selling N800's for $359.99 +$14 shipping... If you are in NY then you need to add sales tax....

I wasn't planning to buy N800 now but I think the price above was too good to pass by... :D

There are still 24 more left for purchase, if anyone interested. :rolleyes:

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I'd be careful with units on eBay at this point. They may be preproduction units.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Might very well be, but so do all the CompUSA store units at this point? It still come with full manufacturer's warranty...

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

No, the CompUSA devices are production. But any devices which are already on eBay, especially in significant numbers from a single vendor, are suspect.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

We'll see... the seller is not a "small" retailer, just take a look at their store:
http://stores.ebay.com/Datavision-Computer-Video

Texrat: Do you have insider information to who Nokia has made shipments of the preproduction units? Is there any specific country/factory where pre-production units have been built?

Any chance to tell by looking at the serial number of the unit? (I think it is the MAC address but each factory must have been assigned different MAC address range to use, and can be tracked back to the factory.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I can't give out that info, sorry.

It's also possible that some inside orders were leaked to an external vendor. But again, I have good reason to be suspicious at this point of ANY N800s on eBay.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Ari Jaaksi blog, as far as I remember, reports it quite clearly :mad:

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

At least the seller says they are authorized reseller and they have other expensive Nokia phones on sale as well... Looks to me legitimate Nokia reseller?

Anyway, I do not really care if it is pre-production unit as long as it works fine. Any reason to believe it is somehow defective?

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

"Clearly" is not an adverb I always associate with "Finnglish", but... ;)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I thought I read the NYC Nokia store is selling the N800 for $360. Anyone in NYC would be better of buying from the Nokia Store than eBay.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Just a thought but Ari is in Vegas at CES and probably has little time to sit and discuss the situation with the development team so I'd take his post with a pinch of salt.

I hope that Nokia will assess the fallout from the N800/OS2007 launch and post an updated "way forward" once they have returned from CES and had time to think more clearly about the situation.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

The initial channels were very, very restricted. I'm just surprised and suspicious to see any on eBay at this point, that's all.

I have no reason to think they are defective, however.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

That's interesting... why would they not sell it with the same price on their online store??? It was still $399 as I checked 2 minutes ago...

Of course if you buy directly from store you have to pay sales tax as well.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Texrat, what's wrong with us Finnglish speakers? ;) Especially since your nickname implies you speak Texan.. ;)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I read about the $360 NYC Nokia Store price in a comment on Engadget, so there's a good chance it's complete b0llox! There was no mention of sales tax - if anyone is in NYC maybe they could pop in and confirm? :)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

LOL... just giving you guys a hard time. I've actually gotten fairly good at interpreting Finnglish, and I always enjoy hosting my Finnish compatriots. ;)

And I'm actually from California; just got transported to Texas.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I made some research and Datavis is one of the Nokia launch partners for N800. Don't ask how I know... ;) But I can assure thit is CORRECT information from reliable source. You would be safe to buy it from them, if there are any left?

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Ok, good work Mara!

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I got an N800 today from CompUSA and it is my first Nokia internet tablet. I was considering a 770 but the additional memory and the SD card support of the N800 won out and convinced me to invest in one. It runs quite smoothly and does work quite well for web browsing. It also does more than I expected in the multimedia department and there seems to be a good amount of extra apps for it. My only big gripe is that I'd like a real keyboard but that would compromise the small size of this thing. The on screen thumboard is adequate enough, although it takes some getting used to, and it's usable enough for short posts like this.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

The Nokia Bluetooth keyboard and the ThinkOutside BT keyboard both work with the N800.

In a pinch, any BT keyboard that supports the HID profile will work; and even the ones that support the older serial profile (Freedom Keyboard e.g.) can be made to work, but with a lot more user effort.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I think this is a great toy, figure a 2 year run = 16.00 a month, 4 a week.
And regardless of the competition, it is here now. Purchased mine at the Nokia store in NYC.

Hi Everyone :)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

The Nokia store in NYC (5th and 57th) had no discounts (Military or Gov't); the 770 was 360.00 the 800 was 400.00 firm!

Just an FYI.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

What I don't understand is why Nokia has chosen to use Opera 8.5, because Opera 9 for Devices is already available (i.e. the Wii runs 9). Especially considering Nokia has taken a new Opera license for the N800 which is not available for the 770.
Does this mean Opera 9 will never become available for the N800, but only for its successor, meaning the N800 will be dumped next year just as the 770?
This would suck because Opera 9 improved many things such as better AJAX support, add blocking and (user) scripting. This way the NXXX will always lag behind in internet functionality and experience.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Is there really any value to be gained from continued speculation about what Nokia might do when/if a successor to the N800 is released? It really is quite tiresome. :(

It's pretty clear Nokia have taken a wrong turn with their initial approach to the evolution of the Internet Tablet line, and I think it's pretty safe to say they've learned from the reaction of the community and won't be making that same mistake with the successor.

Speculating about them doing so just winds people up... If you don't believe Nokia will do the right thing now and in the future it's pretty clear - don't buy one, and leave your speculative concerns at the door. ;)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

They will hardly have actively chosen 8.5 over a working 9 - usually, you license what you can get. But if Opera 9 for devices with X11 screen rendering does not exist yet, you can either pay Opera to write the X11 renderer and pray they manage to arrive at a production quality solution in time to meet your deadline, or take what working revision they have...

Sevo

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Just got it today... Unit was unopened (Nokia seal not broken on box). Unit is made in Korea... if that does tell anything.

After few hours "toying" around I flashed the latest OS and installed most of my apps. (There was some trickery required to get MaemoMapper installed...) So far no chrashes. The tablet seem much more smoother/faster than 770 and the screen is significantly better: Sparkling Moire effect is much smaller and the touchscreen sensitivity is great! Overall I'm very happy!

Now I'm only waiting for my 4GB SD cards to arrive... :D

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Sound quality through either output is, imo, the best nokia's made.

Out of the ones we tested in the nokia booth, and there were quite a lot of nokia phones there.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I forgot to mention about this... So it is not only me that thinks the audio quality is better on N800 than on N770? The sound on N800 seem have better higher midrange and treble than N770 when using headphones. (And the built in speakers are not that bad either... of course not much bass but other than that rather enjoyable.) I may need to do more side by side comparsion but these are my first impressions.