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At least in Germany, we say Le-go and sometimes No-kia and sometimes even No-ki-a.

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I'd used RPMs a long time ago, in Red Hat, but it was the equivalent of DLL hell in Windows. At that time, there seemed to be no central repository, so you had to manually hunt individually RPM packages on the net to fulfill the dependencies. I'm sure that has been fixed by now, but I am curious.

What is the advantage of using RPM instead of using DEB and basing the system on the Debian distribution? Specially since they have support for more architectures then others?

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Linux Foundation -> Limo linux (primitive OS) -> Bada from Samsung, OS without multitasking, castrated linux systems, no pc application compatibility

Maemo as an x86 system will be professional in the future, I would prefer it

But

I wont be suprised if MeeGo will be a castrated linux too...

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(GNU*Linux+ARM+Nokia+Intel) - (Microsoft+Apple+Google) - RPM = who knows...

So yes the RPM move is really stupid as dependency has always sucked with RPM and it's a shame as every major community oriented distro is DEB based.
So long for adding deb arm port to your repos. and getting more collaboration ?

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Have they considered restarting the effort to have some sort of fat binaries for the platform? (that could maybe get stripped on install by a platform specific tool) Like this developer using the SDK wouldn't need to worry about compiling 2 (or more in the future) versions of an app.

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If this gives some QT-MeeGo compat on the n900 and we get an OVI map 3+ that way, I'll be all happy.

I also hope it's not pronounced "Mégo" in french (cigarette butch).

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So, based on this Nokia exec's comment, sounds like N900 should be OK with MeeGo?

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As far as i know there are none. Basically Maemo Debian style linux is going to be replaced with Moblins Fedora.

So this will not be good for you if you like Debian Linux and apt-get.

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Didn't get the love you were looking for yesterday? Well, you'll have to wait a little longer. Hopefully not too long.

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Meego will be a debian-based system after all, or not ?
I'm confused with this rpm thing
I just can't imagine a debian system with a rpm packaging

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Will the name meego and the boring logo be to official marketing vehicle for this new OS? I mean thats just uninspiring, really :(

Cheers

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And then there was the Transformers joke. And Maemo. And Ovi.

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People people people. Admittedly this is a big announcement and change but I just want to chime in on the apps issue.

With Qt4.6 the whole concept of "porting" an app is re-invented. I have written 3 apps using the Qt 4.6 platform since I bought my N900 and the thing that struck me immediately was how easy it was to move from platform to platform.

I run Linux on my desktop, Qt creator runs fine there and I have the scratchbox installed for compiling to ARM. I run windows 7 on my laptop and Qt creator works fine there and I have MADDE installed for compiling to ARM. Regardless of the environment I am on the apps compile and run. All it needs is the libs to be compiled for the platform and we already KNOW they will be for maemo and the N900. So porting an app that is based on Qt (and it sounds like they all will be in the future) is as simple as compiling the app for that platform. Since MeeGo will be multi hardware based (including ARM) I see no reason to believe devs would not compile for all platforms, including ARM.

The second thing to note here is that the ENTIRE OS is going opensource with MeeGo. Should Nokia simply stop supporting us "poor" N900 users then there is nothing stopping us simply compiling the OS for ourselves. No more complaints about closed source media players etc etc.

This is a change - and change can be scary - but if we take a deep breath and realize where this change can take us, I think we will all see the advantages to this merger.

(Heck at a basic level larger devs are certainly going to be looking at this platform with both Nokia AND Intel behind it)

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I wonder if this was what they had in mind for "Step 5" when that whole meme got started.

(this is sarcasm, for those who are not attuned to it.)

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This hasn't been true for many years now. Using a server-based repository along with yum, apt4rpm, etc. RPMs have no more dependency issue than .debs. The only "issue" as such is that they're far more widely used, therefore you can run into problems if you try to use an RPM from one distribution on another. Using .debs don't magically make you immune to this issue though (it's just that .debs have generally only been used by debian-derived distributions, so core library/application names have been consistent).

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It depends on how you define OS, a media player is not really part of the OS, so it could very well be closed source. It could also be that Manufacturers add other proprietary parts (such as drivers, power management code) when they create a release for a specific device.

I hope this will not be the case and Nokia will strive to make a good example and open source as much as possible when they integrate the current Maemo 5 into MeGoo.

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Wouldn't that go against the whole concept of this merger? The big push here seems to be that Moblin brings the open OS and Maemo brings the development env.

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released today:
http://qt.nokia.com/products/platform/maemo
http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010...mo-5-released/

Bye

Thorsten

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RPM? Debian?

OpenWRT doesn't use either. And they're on their 2nd version of a distribution system.

Don't let the Meta code be too important. Open is what matters.

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Really? It is a long time since I had a "made in finland" Nokia. Is the Korean N900 line in a Nokia-owned factory?

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Yes, the unit in Korea is directly owned by Nokia.

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Nothing stops them from still using binary drivers like every distribution can which won't help support of already binary platforms like the n900...

Also, looking at http://meego.com/about/licensing-policy it seems they're going the Android route of licensing, GPL at the bottom, BSD above (ie: vendor can go proprietary at the top, and will...). Or maybe I'm over reacting...

Anyway, I still think this is a incredibly great move, just a few comments to make it perfect ;-)

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personal preference. i am an opensuse person rather than an debian/ubuntu user, so i am happiest using rpm oriented services such as Yast and zypper.

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I like Kai's statement:

"We can look at the future of Maemo with no delays. This is like putting that development [environment] into steroids and making it faster in the future."

Although I would hope he said putting steroids into the development, and not the other way around.

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hi togehter so at first i have no idea what i shall think about this hot news..

But i know that the Vibe in this Forum is very negative since the last weeks. How comes that you lough about the users you call " mainstream users that beliveing into the amazing n900 marketing pictures?" i was here since october last year. November i did my account here and buyed early my n900 for nokia.de for over 600 Eur nearly 815 $.

I know you will say hey in USA this device never did cost that much but here in germany it did.

I really was around this Forum also at the IRC Channel and so one. i have read many blogs and phonefreak forums all said yes boy buy that n900 its soo amazing.

And i guess nobody really can show me some Forum Threads that was actual this time where anybody said Stop dont buy the N900 its step 5 and they will bring a meamo6 - meego whatever out next year thats maybe not compatible with the n900..

So for the guys that crying out now you are a Troll iam not. I like open Source Projekts, iam not a Apple Fanboy, i know how a Bugzilla works and also did report Mameo5 Bugs couse i like my N900 but i really have to say it need still a lot of Development to be a really good Device.

best regards Crown

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my point is Nokia are the manufacturer of the devices they stick there name on
Google are not that of the nexus its a HTC device so why is it not marketed as that.
its the equivalent of samsung making a device putting a nokia contributed OS on it lets say maemo5 and then marketing it as a Nokia

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Exactly, you hammered that nail. I'm tickled pink. In the long run, this will be a Very Good Thing!

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I suspect this is Nokia's way of offloading the sole responsibility for the OS, which is probably good in the long term. I am concerned about bug fixes for my n900 being kept up, and with continued compatibility with new stuff coming out.

But the N900 is not a computer that I can attach peripherals to--it is pretty static in its hardware. Unlike with a Linux distro such as Ubuntu, they don't have to keep up with the newest network interfaces and usb drives and such. But they do have to keep up with existing hardware issues like the front facing camera, and I can only hope that they will continue to do so.

But apps have always been the real weakness of this phone. Aside from Firefox, we are not seeing a maemo logo next to the iphone and windows logo on lots of mobile sites. If this new system is seen as having some sort of critical mass, it means that arm-based QT apps will be on the menu for developers. Especially if those apps can be done in a higher level language like Python that will make "porting" (by that I mean recompiling for a new processor) unneccesary. And that may include symbian phones.

In short: If Nokia pushes QT as the primary development system for MeeGo (and even if they don't) I suspect this will lead to MANY more apps available for the N900 than we currently see.

P.S. we have seen people running OSX, Windows 95, and Windows 98 on the N900. I predict that within days of the source code being posted, someone will have MeeGo ported to N900. Drivers for the cameras, accelerometer, phone, and GPS will be a question as to whether it is an experiment or an actual upgrade for the phone.

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Anyone else noticed that the image on the meego site http://meego.com/ looks like a n900?

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The MeeGo (ugh name...) webpage needs a BIG tab saying "Users", dedicated to explain why, as a user, is good and interesting to be in the platform. Right now, a common user just sees Maemo and the N900 fading away... just check the posts of this thread.

Once again, WE ARE NOT THE USERS! It is too late to get some marketing/PR people on the MeeGo team?

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LOL, I noticed that and just tweeted about it, too. I was wondering if it was only me that noticed.. I hope its a N900...

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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359259,00.asp

Sounds promising on the N900 front.

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And posts like this are the exact reason why the MeeGo page need an entire section devoted to end users.

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Yes the critical mass is not yet there.. and developers are waiting(i guess) for the device to have a mass appeal before going all out on development. Mass appeal is not there since the semi-geeks here get the feeling that the platform itself is not so stable with news of the maemo6 upgrade possbly not working on the n900.
And now we hear that the platform itself is merging with another.. not exactly the most definitive news for a developer i guess.
See the cycle?

All these OS's have been on emulators. Porting is probably far more dificult given that none has access to the kernel drives for the n900. And if any userland applications(like the phone and contacts etc) are closed source then we are stuck at the starting block. Not much appeal in load meego without being able to use the device for what it was meant.

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someone should get fired for choosing .rpm over .deb

other than that, i'm cautiosly optimistic with these news. sounds like a plethora of new devices will come out, all compatible with each other.

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I suppose this is a very good news that MeeGo brings developers together and have focused resource for building Linux based platforms. That's how open source systems work isn't it?

As for the future of N900, I have faith. And we should have faith. Ceasing blames is the first step to fight against winmo and android. The future now lies in our hands. Maemo MeeGo here I come!

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New Maemo Mascot proposal.

A personified AE logo being squashed by a huge fallen Intel Chip?

Give the AE a sort of Sonic the hedgehog look.

EDIT:
To be seriose this has not changed hat much. Development was already slow due to the lack of understanding of what Maemo6 will be.

We now know it will be a instance of MeeGo. This would indicate that everything we have allready been told about Maemo 6 is going to be the same.

The big issue is that Moblin is rpm and Maemo is deb.

It is most likly wewill be moved to RPM. That will be a pity but we can live with it.

Development for multiple devices will be simplfied. Compilation should be all that is needed to move from one device to another.

That will increase the number of available apps dramatically.

The prospect of Meamo6 working on the N900 is increased as the whole MeeGO platform needs to be cross hardware capable. Therefore any hardware specific elements of Maemo6 will need to be surmountable.

And the very nature of a cross platform OS will requoire the internals to be more open. Meaning if Nokia produces crap support for certain features. MMS etc the community will have more options to create an effective hackers addition.

So over all this should be a good thing for N900 and Maemo device users (assuming they fix mine and give it back) if not for the Maemo Community as a whole.

PS I am sure I saw a pic of a N810 on the MeeGo site. And I can see this providing a new lease of life of old tablets. Maybe time to get my old N810 back out,.

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News from MWC:

Just a backgrounder, I'm a fund manager by profession, and I've asked a number of investment banks to ask Nokia about N900 support in their investor meetings at MWC. (It always helps to have a company think their investors really care about N900 support.) I just got this email back from an analyst:

"Maemo6/MG currently working on N900 hardware. Only hardware issue is multi-touch. Nokia unsure whether to officially support MG on N900, but expects community will step in if they don't.

Lot's of exciting software/apps announcements to come over coming months. Should be fun."

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I agree, Qt is the key here. Critical mass is, well, critical, and across platforms will be good for app development as well despite different usage models and differences in terms of capability of the hardware.

In a sense it seems to me Intel brings more of their OS and Nokia brings Qt and the developer community and the Maemo interface. At least that's my reading of the media reporting. In that case it's a bit surprising as it seems to me Maemo5 is more finished than Moblin. At least in terms of integration of cams, accelerometers, GPS etc. There are examples on the internet of people installing Moblin 2.x and none of the peripherals work.

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Is maemo.org going to be merged meego.com? If yes, when?

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Then I'm out of here. :mad: