Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

This is, in fact, a line taken almost literally from a cabaret performance of one of my favorite artists, Volker Pispers. The audiences almost die laughing at that point. Little do they know..... :(

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

damn that was fast the alternative LG Product for the dead GW990 called Ally and based on Android 2.1 is getting set up with specs and a own Homepage.. MS Kin will come to Verizon Stores tomorrow anything is in a fast flow and we still wait for a damn Patchset called PR1.2...

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

How do these affect the n900?

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

@nosa101

the Information was that the GW990 alternative is getting ready to start but sure its no more Maemo or Meego who cares .. maybe thats why the Thread is in General and not under N900 hmmm ...

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

you said

How do the launch of the ally and kin affect the n900?
I'm trying to understand what you are getting at

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

Ally is the formerly planned GW990 Device now on Android and no more as the first Meego Device. MS Kin and Ally are at the Moment the newest Device that will come up. I just wanted to show how fast the Development at the Mobile Sector goes while we still wait on a Patchset for the formerly best Device at the Market the N900.. This Thread is about the sad history of the N900 until now if you read the Thread Title..

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

But the n900 is already out. We aren't waiting for its launch. I'm sorry but I don't see how a firmware update and a phone launch are in any way similar

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

While you're talking about a firmware update... I'm waiting on MeeGo to show up and utilize the existing hardware. At least LG had something to show; and it got canceled and with the information about MeeGo on the N900 coming from very few sources yet nothing shown yet... it's getting harder to believe when the only running MeeGo prototype that looked rather damn good mind you, got canceled.

What the person you're inquiring to "might" be saying (I'm assuming a lot and don't mind admitting I could be very wrong) is that with the LG now being canceled and nothing else concrete been shown yet (for the impatient) it doesn't look like MeeGo is coming out of the gate at full gait.

Perhaps.

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

The LG GW990 wasn't running meego though. It was running moblin

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

Gosh darn... you're right!

Never noticed that until you stated it. Thanks!

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

The Ally has literally nothing in common with the GW990. Different screen, different input methods, different CPU, different OS, different launch date, different... well... everything. If I had to guess why the GW990 was cancelled, I would guess that it had more to do with the less-than-appealing Moorestown presentation we say yesterday than any other factor.

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Ollila itself said today in the General Meeting that OPK got full support behind him so that's that for a time at least.
http://translate.google.com/translat...46&sl=fi&tl=en

There's ambitious plan going on with Qt, Harmattan and Symbian Foundation while it no doubt can fail i hope in 2 years time MeeGo will have some real mass behind it.
I don't think anybody have even bothered to try to exaplain to investors what all there is behind the Trolltech buy in 2008.

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If you look at the 16(!!) page analysis of Anand you might change your mind. Very well written and analysed. link -->

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The main problem is that the analysis is based on data about competitors supplied by Intel. So Anandtech says 'moorestown is competitive because it idles at 21-23mW and Snapdragon phones idle at 25mW'. The conclusion is skewed as that 25mW in Snapdragon includes the *whole* phone, while the 21-23mW figure is just for the moorestown - which conveniently misses RAM, flash, the baseband/radio processor and similar 'details'. OMAP4 and upgoming snapdragons are in the <10mW idle range.

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From: Kauppalehti (finnish business newspaper):
"Toimitusjohtaja Olli-Pekka Kallasvuon epäkiitollinen tehtävä oli seistä salin edessä sylkykuppina, kun 1 500 osakkeenomistajaa ja heidän edustajaansa purkivat tuntojaan."

Rough translation:
CEO Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo had the ungrateful task of being a spitbucket, as 1500 stockholders and stockholder representatives unburdened their worries and fears.

He doesn't look very happy.
http://multinews.kauppalehti.fi/mult...04_490x300.jpg

But as Tissot allready posted, he has Jorma Ollila's support and there won't be any changes without Ollila's approval.

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

You got the names confused.

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thank you!! this had to be the most unfounded rumor ever. the gw990 got scrapped because the meego ui and needed buttons have changed. the os is totally new now, with a dedicated ui. no more sclass research for it.

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"[QUOTE=jnwi;635326]This, along with "if you don't like it, buy an iPhone" is repeated here often. But the fact is we should all care - a lot.

Market share will directly impact future third party services that may not otherwise be available to us, scale will enable Nokia to polish the devices we want to buy, and profitability is the only thing that can convince Nokia to continue on this path."


I am not a fanboy nor a tech geek. The reason I updated (as basic user) from a basic cellphone to the N900 is the potential of open source that strikes me. The shift from 'protected development' and ready-made must-have-trash-soon-products to 'open source development' and products, that are designed to involve people with developing skills as well as users in the use and improvement of modifiable communication-tools of high quality, that shift goes far beyond the presentation of a new must-have. It is a new kind of product, that stands for sustainability. To me this is nothing less, than turning intelligence from Stand-By to On. With a huge 'marked-player' like Nokia, it really seemed to me like glimpses of a new century coming through. It still does.

But something is missing and it made me feel uneasy from the very start: Sustainability and big business (the way it used to work by over-production and over-waste) are two different pairs of shoes. So who will sustain Nokia?
Not iPhone is killing the N900. The logic of an obsolete marked-model, where iPhone is king, discredits Nokia's open source-project. It is NOT about apps or usability, it is about making money.

iPhone is a 'ready-made'. It is a brilliant recollection of the state of art so far, which is the past at its release, only that this past has been a secret so far and therefore looks like the future to users. That's how 'latest-greatests work'. They look 'old' by tomorrow and the day after tomorrow you got to have the next one already waiting for you.

The N900 is an 'intelligent tool', with the option future development on the very device. It learns in time. Upgrade by upgrade. It is 'alive'. Communities in an open dialogue are involved with development, not just one manufacturer, who keeps the recipe a secret for the next generation of devices. It is a tool made for a marked we need (less production, less waste, more creativity by a larger scale of developers). But this marked does not exist in 'big business', which therefore does not want open source. It wants secret recipes that regularly sell millions of 'ready-mades'.

Basically the answer to what is to do is very simple. If shareholders are walking out of Nokia, users and developers together should walk in. If there are people in the community, and I guess there are, who could handle this, why not create some User/Maemo/Meego/etc.-shareholder-foundation to get into Nokia?

Open source is much more than a technical term. A marked-player (Nokia or any other!) who opens up for open source, will not be able to continue living from selling devices just the way it used to be. Money is vital for all of us and any breakthrough of open source on the market must include some more creative thoughts from open source about sustainability in the stream of cash.

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It's alive, but hibernating.

Ok, I've deleted my post because it was basically another open closed source monolithic rant. I still want to go through a few bullet points:

* The OS might be open(ish), but the main apps aren't. Was I to build a Windows that can run Maemo apps and built a repository-like app store, 90% of users wouldn't notice. Heck, if it ran Maemo apps, developers wouldn't notice. Minus the few that rely on Linux, if any (most were Windows ported a long time ago).

* The Maemo experience is in it's vast majority based on the apps Nokia supplies and a few well-established apps that regular Joe doesn't fiddle with. If Phone, Maps, Messaging, etc are all closed, then it's pretty darned closed.

* Yes I'm going to say it again. Firmware-like releases are nice to keep track of versions, but bad for the dynamic of software on that platform. There is zero reason to keep a UI fix or an enhancement in Maps back until the next release. Releases are for major projects. Applications have versions.

Someone has deemed this take on things acceptable and preferred. Someone has taken this decision and it's holding a whole platform back. With great salary comes great responsibility.

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

The reason behind the mentioning of the LG phone was to illustrate that maybe some of their partners are abandoning the platform. This is my last post on the subject.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...EFTTopWhatNews

anyone up for the job?

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 

The N900 is my 5th Nokia (and I change phones only when it fails). I think the article from T3 sums us Nokia users pretty accurately:

What Nokia says about you:
You don’t like to faff. You’ve always had Nokia and you always will, because it’s reliable, gets the job done and the camera’s usually pretty good too.

The hype about the other phones are probably inspired by marketing strategies.