Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

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Meh... you're not worth it.
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Thanks for the additional response @Stskeeps. I understand a bit better why it might be worth pursuing.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

I have edited the first post adding the request to stay on topic and constructive mood in this thread. We have insisted a few times but obviously newcomers are not finding them inside within the many posts.

I hope it helps to make this thread more productive. Thank you!

The disclaimer:

Please don't bug the people working here with questions/complaints about Maemo 5, open/closed software, official updates or MeeGo. There are plenty of threads for this just a click away.

The project discussed here is about getting the API, UX and apps of the first MeeGo device from Nokia (aka "MeeGo-Harmattan", provisional name) running in the N900. For insiders, this basically means making Harmattan run in the N900. The Harmattan content is not public yet and nobody really knows how good the releases of this initiative will be. Follow the MeeGo hardware adaptation for N900 thread to have an idea of the worst case scenario to be expected.

How can you help? Please be constructive. Be ready to test and provide feedback. And be patient: this project can't dliver faster than the MeeGo & Harmattan projects themselves.

Thank you!

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

I am very much looking forward to the first release of Harmattan code (meaning, the SDK), and really appreciate the lengths maemo.org and Nokia team members have gone to in order to fill in the vacuum of communication that is caused by various policies and legal issues, while not revealing information they are not authorized to release.

For those who are not able to read between the lines, and are only interested in a user perspective, you really only care about what you can use. Things like "official support" don't mean what you might think it means, when all you want to know is if you'll get the Harmattan versions of Ovi Maps and Flash on your sexy N900. I understand these coveting these gems of the closed-source variety consume your thoughts and dreams, but understand that employees can get fired if they release information they have not been authorized to provide.

In the case of these nuggets of proprietary software it really comes down to two categories. Nokia's own applications, and the applications of other companies that have a licensing agreement with Nokia for Harmattan. For the first category, we've got multiple statements in this thread that confirm Nokia will allow it. For the second category, and this is the important bit, it's not even Nokia's call but they are asking those other companies to allow it for this purpose as well. Someone at Nokia is literally going up to bat for getting all these things users want available in the project this whole thread is about.

Honestly, this should be the most popular thread on t.m.o

This is why you should have been singing hallelujah when reading this thread instead of spreading more FUD about N900 being left behind.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Just lie to me and say MfE will be fixed with Harmattan, then I am all ready to start testing and assisting. :)

On a more serious note, I would love to assist in any way possible, not a developer though.
My decision to buy this phone was based on the community support and possibilities of community projects.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

No worry, when your n900 is due to replace Apple has its new iphone ready. Its told that it will be with multitasking and shiploads of apps;) And lots of people who like to develope apps for it because its alive !

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

apple is running tings . . . . .we need apps we need developers we need alot to catch up with apple.

im geting the new iphone when it comes out :D lol

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Ugh... where did the apple talk come from..... this thread is about Meego on the n900 stay on topic please

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

lol i no im just sayin we need more apps and more developers for the n900 so i am on topic "cfh11"!

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Yes you're off topic, the discussion here is about getting the API, UX and apps of the first MeeGo device from Nokia running in the N900.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

lol ok

"on topic" when we get the n900 meego is it possible to clock the cpu faster then normal cos at the default clock its kinda slugish?

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Yes easy done as long as you add a heatsink and drill a few holes either side of the case for ventilation... thats the way it should be done NOT to fry the m/b lol.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

fry i dont no about that mate but like make the phone run faster and less laggy

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Yes i agree absolutely and i think to at least 1ghz but to be safe heatsink the cpu and give it some breathing space will make your device last a lot longer lol.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

dont you fink 1ghz will be to much the battery wouldnt last i say 900hz

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

if 95% of the glitches are out i think it will run just fine on 600

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

i dont fink so i fink it needs to be faster then 600 i say min of 750-850

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

This is actually not really on topic. Just a few posts after Quim called for a restore to order and right back off the thread goes.

Bring it back in, guys. And knock off the attack tags.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

it is on topic its about meego on n900 you a** so jam ur hype!

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Going after a moderator? Not your wisest move.

You were given fair warning. I recommend you listen instead of arguing.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

i ent going after any 1 im just sayin it is on topic its a good idea for meego?

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

speak english please?

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Please read Quim's post about the subject matter very carefully, thanks:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=162

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

I will happy to collaborate, but how?

For users I suppose testing upcoming(?) images? in that case should we wait for Nokia releasing first the new harmattan device, or some preview will be available before?

For developers I guess porting maemo5 community software to harmattan? in that case I'd like to know details about the harmattan middleware/gui.

IIRC the gui will be changed deeply, new window manager qgraphicsview based, system menu and applications qt based right? in the new DE will maemo5 hildon apps will be compatible (reusing XAtoms, etc.)? how much the new DE shares code with meego touch framework?

And what's about the middleware? will we see icd, sscd, csd, etc? or harmattan is going to get some meego stuff (ofono, connman, etc.?)

(the two questions are there to understand better if nokia (on the next harmattan device) and community developers (on the n900) are going to waste time, or their efforts, at least in some parts, will be reusable on meego)

And finally I just guess that harmattan will have some closed nokia parts, and AFAIK there is no public and documented way to produce a maemo rootfs from scratch, so this community harmattan edition needs anyway Nokia "semiofficial" support for the n900 adaption, will that be assured in some way, or simply nokia will release to the community the necessary binary packages, code, tools and documentation?

Sorry if some question may seem stupid or have obvious answers, but it's not easy to gather all the information, did I lost a wiki page?

Thanks.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

nicola.mfb: for most of the juicy harmattan details, we have to wait for the Harmattan SDK alpha/beta release. Until then, Nokia policies forbid their employees (who do know all of these details) from releasing that information to the public (that would be us). While its a bummer, I hope that most people realize that breaking those kinds of policies can have severe consequences for the employee responsible, so please don't ask them to risk their jobs.

As for the Nokia assistance regarding the closed parts, there have been a bunch of posts in this thread which confirm that they will provide help, but they aren't going to provide consumer level support (that's what "official support" really means to Nokia). Which is wonderful news indeed :-)

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Oh Yes! that's is really wonderful! and yes, I understand the NDA, so not forbidden answers are welcome ;)

Anyway some info is already available looking at sources, just now I'm trying to compile the harmattan gui and can see the word "meego" everywhere :) well that makes much sense, just suppose that at some point it will be branched and freezed for the harmattan release.

A little speculation about the middleware, it's not yet ready, and may be the same is for the gui part or higher levels that has to speak with it (just thinking that telepathy ring was just announced and the isimodem driver is in heavy development), so the harmattan device *should* be an hybrid less or more meego centric depending on the roadmap/release date and development speed due to the need of freeze and qa tests, and that may be reasonable.

Well all that (if true) will make the n900 very near to meego instances and products (if I understood well the terms) => near to apps too.

Just waiting for the next step ;)

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

what are you gassing it is KMT

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Porque????

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Hi Everyone,

I'm not really sure about what is the current state of MeeGo and stuff, but I have a question.

I saw some very convincing videos and pictures about the MeeGo tablet user experience.
Is the UX also open source?
Does it work together with the current release of MeeGo?

Is it possible to use the current "MeeGo 1.0 for N900" together with that UX on the N900 now?

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux

The current release of MeeGo for netbooks includes it.

Maybe, but you'd have to build and install it. The handset UX will be available at http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux once it's out.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

I was talking about the tablet UX, not the netbook one.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Ah, sorry about that. I suspect that since there's no MeeGo image yet, it'll be released alongside an image (much like the next N900 release later this month) at the same site as the links I posted.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Hi, this thread is about making MeeGo-Harmattan to run in the N900. If you want to discuss the MeeGo Tablet UX a good place is the Tablet forum at forum.meego.com.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Sorry, I got a little confused with the names...
But thanks for the link!

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Since Meego-Harmattan isnt an officially supported platform on the N900, can someone confirm if we can dual boot a Maemo 5 and the Meego-Harmattan system?

As much as i would like a Meego System running on my N900 i would like to have a fully (or semi) functional(Maps and other Nokia closed source apps) handheld device for occasional use.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Meego-Harmattan doesn't even really exist yet. It's all theory to this point. So the firm answer is unknown.

However, I would find it very likely that someone figures out how to dual boot pretty much any of the 3 OS's being worked on (M5, MeeGo and MH).

Re: N900 community support for the future MeeGo based release from Nokia
 

Will the infrastructure which was worked on/designed for Mer's images be available here? (i.e. to allow closed source stuff to be combined and shipped)

Let's assume some form of MeeGo Core and Handset UX is working on the N900. Your comment above suggests not taking the MeeGo reference apps for phone calls, conversation etc. (assuming there are some); but taking the Harmattan Nokia apps for those tasks?

If I'm understanding correctly, getting them running with a copy of a Harmattan device's OS is a different question to making such a hybrid MeeGo/Harmattan image distributable to users.

Re: N900 community support for the future MeeGo based release from Nokia
 

The two are different tasks, are they not?

A fully open MeeGo image is going to be different from Harmattan, which is likely to be much more like M5 than MeeGo - full of closed Nokia apps like maps.

That's what I was assuming this thread was discussing, at least..

Re: N900 community support for the future MeeGo based release from Nokia
 

That what I assumed too. So, my point was "if a community supported release is viable, how will it be distributed?"; with a side-point of "what's the base OS onto which said Nokia bits would be closed, the full Harmattan stack or MeeGo (or even Fremantle)?"

Re: N900 community support for the future MeeGo based release from Nokia
 

OK, I see your point now.

I'd *guess* that at least to start with, it'll be Harmattan itself. Trying to port closed applications either backwards (to Fremantle) or forward (to MeeGo) is probably going to involve headaches.

Hopefully, it will be possible, though, as I'd quite like the idea of being able to shoehorn the useful closed bits of Harmattan into MeeGo, purely for the possibility to have a more up to date, futureproof base system.

(for third party app developers/appstores, they won't really be keeping Harmattan compatibility in mind, I think.. so there will be a time when, regardless of how nice Harmattan is as a base system, you'll want to migrate)

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

This is about making MeeGo-Harmattan (deb based, including Nokia closed apps) in the N900. The very same MeeGo-Harmattan that will run on the new devices shipping this OS out of the box. Any difference should be based on a technical compromise. It should be ABI compatible with MeeGo-Harmattan so the same binaries in Ovi Store and Extras would be installable and functional.

How exactly will it be distributed? I don't know at this point. Tero and Carsten are the ones to have the initiative.