Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Desktop data counter no longer works :( Roaming data counter is when you are on a phone network different from the sim one (useful when abroad maybe). Assume desktop data counter will have a fix soon. The clunkiness and slowness dissaperas after a few hours I have found.

I had the leaked pr1.2 (yes I know...) and cannot find any differences other than the fact that the latest pr1.2 has ruined my battery life. LPR1.2 was superb, I could get a whole days use without going near 1/2 way on the battery. This morning I took it off the charger, checked my email and a few forums and 20mins later and 1/4 battery gone :( Not a good sign. At this rate I will flash back. Time to remove desktop widgets and reduce screen brightness again :( How can this get so much worse? Will have to check my wif fi power settings and have a general trawl. Overal pr1.2 is better but why did this batch of fairly minor changes take sooo long ?

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Thanks, yes. I guessed the problem was the data counter widget - I'll have to remove that till it's updated, I suppose. (Grr)

I have just rebooted but not yet had a chance to try the beast since. It was certainly slow when it was first installed, even with things like the calendar widget. (Life is complex - got a long work phone call in the middle of restoring, so still pushing a bit more go-juice in before I head into work.)

Is there anything else I ought to check for? I have tried running a few random music and video files, and don't seem to have any problems there. What else might have gone haywire?

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

Ok, fine, N900 is the worst crap ever made. Are you happy? OK!!!

Now, geez, go play with your apple stuff and stop bothering me!!!

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

LOL

http://www.nokian900applications.com...on-nokia-n900/

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

You can make your own data counter with the Desktop Command Execution Widget. You can either show total data (Download and Upload Combined script) or separately (Upload and Download Separated script).

http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_Comman...pload_combined

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

Well...Iphone is just for Lollypop licking ,nose dripping kiddos!!!.....Where you just eat for wht u get served..thats it!

N900 is for Pros and Geeks who can make , build and tweek with the hardware power! ...

So Iphone Ur One Brick without FLASH in the APPLES WALL!!!
Get The FLASH OUT OF HERE!!!

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

I downloaded UK firmware yesterday and can confirm this bug. but at least MFE works with Nokia messaging now.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Well for some reason after a full reflash (including EMMC) everything seems to run fine but the phone tells me that it cant communicate with my sim (its like 14 years old one or so), but the previous version of the os didnt had problems with that.
So will have to get a new one probably because i dont see anyone else having this problem.

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

LOL ????

http://forums.internettablettalk.com...ad.php?t=33207

LOL @ that...idiot, yes I had this problem too (surprise)......the biggest lol was the guy who said "At this point I'd start to do some packet capturing..."

Yeah im sitting 1000 miles from my server, wanting to do a simple ssh, but hey now I need to start spending a day packet sniffing network traffic to diagnose what i already know (dodgy phone/OS), who *really* has time to waste like that ?

As I said.....N900/Maemo has fail written all over it

People laud about the "open" platform, well im i remember rightly the N900 uses proprietary binary drivers to run alot of devices ????.

There is a real problem of denial on this board, any *honest* and *realistic* comments which do not praise n900/maemo.......we are told to "go away"/shut up etc etc, which is not healthy for the community. Criticism can be a good thing. Saying things like

So Iphone Ur One Brick without FLASH in the APPLES WALL!!!
Get The FLASH OUT OF HERE!!!"

Is not only childish but plain off putting, and sure as hell wont attract new users to the platform.

""N900 is for Pros and Geeks who can make , build and tweek with the hardware power! ..."

Hmmmm im a qualified software engineer, I do more *nix admin than you can dream of, supporting SUSE/Centos/Redhat and recently Ubuntu server, along with the usual MS servers.

I "make build and tweek" more stuff than you can dream of son, some of us have to make a living, so unfortunately can spend days wasted writing scripts on our phones.

time to rm -rf /

Look at the vast array of bugs after one day !, can anyone look me in the eye and tell me in all honesty that any degree of quality testing was carried out on this release ????? clearly it wasn't, and id go as far as saying that

It really was a case of slipping in the bad news ie no meego with good news of a new update.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

hi there
i faced this problem
when i click on my nokia in settings
this show up
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9...0052612410.png

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

I think I found a bug. The N900 promo video on the new eMMC content no longer has that cool rock background music. :( ;)

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

Yeah, so you prefer to spend days complaining about it then. Thats just great!

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

has any one tried Video call using PR1.2 in INDIA!!! I have flashed Global version and have BSNL 3G with data plan.??

I can't see any video call option under Call/Phone.

Direct video calling.. The options that we have in phones like Nokia N95 and other symbian 3G phones.

Am I missing somthing or has to do somthing with operator service....

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

There is no direct video calling. Only skpy/gtalk video call facility.

You should see an option for video call in the contacts entry in the address book if you have them added on skype.

(Hit Settings from the contacts book and you can see there is a video calling option setting)

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

I dont blame him much. What exactly do you do when you are paying for a functionality which after repeated updates still hasnt been fixed?
Proper email accessibility was expected when Nokia has marketed it as such and we still have trouble working with exchange and even gmail MFE (note i do not mean IMAP).

btw garyc if you dont want to be bugged, stop comparing the n900 with the iphone, you are only inviting people to snip you.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

I just updated and all contacts on the home screen won't show up and they are not available to add on the home screen.

Other contacts are available, but when u chose to have them on the home screen, they won't show up there.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Now this is a funny one..

I reflashed yesterday (didn't flash eMMC).

Everything went great, including most of restoring applications, until Application Manager started complaining "Not enough space in application install memory" ect.

I uninstalled some stuff, but that doesn't help.. And now even if I try installing a small app it complains about not enough space.

The funny thing is, I have 76,5MB free rootfs and 120MB free /home..

Anyone else has this or know a solution?

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http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/929...0052610131.png

woops thought it was fixed but computer still says no, always the email account at the top of the list never refreshes, its been like this for at least 10 months, i can rename the o2 account to tutster73 and it goes to the bottom of the list, but then the ovi account wont work, unfortunatelly i need 2 email accounts to work, so.....
dear mr nokia, as you cant be @rsed to fix this basic feature, that is a must have for me, heres what your gonna do:
send me a blackberry immediatelly, i want it at my door within the hour, also ill need compensating for this, lets say £500 per month for the last ten months? and while i wait for you to get ur finger out of ur @rse, il be wanting £1000 per month while i wait for you to fix it! apart from that everything else is sweet!
well done mr nokia man!
you may now have a 15min break, go get some lunch, and send my compo to feed the homeless!

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

1 i noticed was that in conversations, when you do a long press to delete a message, sometimes it clicks on the open contact or it closes the popup, small bug but annoying nevertheless

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

Well, I may be a bit nervous today ... :o ... but generally, Im tired of people describing what a piece of s--t this device is ... I dont force them to like it, but if it doesnt suit their needs, they could sell it ... I know its expensive stuff, but this kind of complaining wont help them ...

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

spoke too soon, theres my music player widget back to its normal unresponsive self again!

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

After changing the region from UK to Australia (I dunno why it changed to UK), all newly created Calendar appointments don't sync up to Outlook right.

If I create an appointment on my N900, it syncs to Outlook fine.
If I create an appointment in Outlook, it syncs to my n900 3hrs early.

I had to change my timezone to Vladivostok, Russia and then change my time to my local time for it to all line up again.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

After flashing to PR1.2, Facebook Widget seems to have gone back to taking you to www.facebook.com rather than www.facebook.com/home.php
This means that it asks you to download a file. There is an old thread on this but it is archived.
Anyone else or just me?

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Link to another possible bug:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53760

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Because people as usual are "assuming" it was "minor" changes rather than realising that a lot of the stuff was fixing memory leaks and other behind-the-scenes issues, that you will only notice are fixed when you have been using your device for a week and realise it hasn't slowed down like it used to.

Its known that they spent a lot of time fixing bugs in the graphics driver and MicroB, many many memory leaks and other things which you wont necessarily notice the difference on day one but drastically improves the stability of the device over a longer period.

Also I know it would be painful, but I think Nokia made a big mistake allowing this update OTA. They moved a lot of stuff around from the NAND to the eMMC and its clear the best way to update is to backup, copy everything off in Mass Storage mode then do a completely restore to factory PR1.2 by flashing FIASCO and eMMC. Knowing that a lot of stuff is being moved around I did it that way and find scrolling silky smooth and while I have had a few stutters where I click something and it doesn't respond for a few seconds, it seemed to calm down after a couple of hours and is now faster than ever.

The problem here is people expecting an OTA update to work as well as a complete reflash and Nokia are partly to blame by allowing it. OTA works better if you do lot of small updates rather than occasional big ones like this one. If you want to reduce your chances of problems, backup, copy everything off in Mass Storage mode then reflash EVERYTHING!

I'm not saying you wont have problems, but I think quite a few in here are caused by people updating OTA or flashing the FIASCO image but not the new eMMC. Most of all, its people not knowing what they were getting themselves into buying a Linux phone. As a long time Linux user I knew all too well that there would be missing functionality and that installing applications could break the ability to update properly.

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

Any business that wants a good integrated e-mail / calander / contacts system with a good desktop client that allows for roaming e-mail use, web access, etc. etc.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Hi Alex,

thanks for this insightful post. I only flashed the RootFS and I am satisfied so far.
My question now is if I should do it again but also flash the eMMC. Here (http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_t...MC_in_the_N900) it says:

My question now is: Should I reflash with the new eMMC contents? What has changed? It would not be a problem at all, I am familiar with all of it, flashed my N900 several times. Backup and restore is fine so far. A qualified statement, preferable from Nokia, if it makes sense / is advised / is required to also flash the eMMC would help a lot.

Thanks,
Corwin

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Anyone else's vibrate stop working? Mine now just emits a high pitched noise, but no vibration. Worked fine before upgrade.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Two more possinle bugs here.

1. Could both people who started fresh and people who updated OTA tell me how the responsiveness in offscr-backgammon is? (OVI backgammon). I'm experiencing much slower graphics (noticeable with the dice rolling) and also, if I ctrl + backspace to the app switcher, backgammon will freeze and I'll have to start a new game

2. Not sure if this one is still a bug or not, I was experiencing freezes with microb that would lock up the entire phone (no app switcher or power key). I've reset my microb settings now, I'll keep this thread updated.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Okay, so I just noticed the LOG in App Manager.

Tried installing some random stuff, an icon-set for OMweather.

It fails with:
apt-worker: free space (/home/) = 123076608
apt-worker: totalt space (/home/) = 2113748992
apt-worker: you don't have enough free space in /home
required disk space: 420478
result code 7

No one else has this problem?

edit; trying fix, apt-get remove --purge hildon-application-manager, and reinstall..
didn't fix it.. :(

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Just an update... I have tried reflashing with the Global image again and now the USA image to test, but no luck. I also put my kernel back to stock from overclocking it before flashing those last 2, but still no luck.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

... if you work it out please let me know! ... I've tried it with the house number in 'extension' and as part of the street line, and neither work for me ... *sighs*

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Hello all, Dazz here first time poster...

I deleted all my contacts and put them back in, calendar widget is now working as well as cake icon in calender.

I have a couple of contacts with incomplete address (i.e. city & state.only) and they would open Maps and locate city. All contacts with complete address give error message as rest posting.

Cheers

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

The thread you're pointing at describes a problem that really is based on misconceptions about how the phone, and WiFi, works. This is not a "dodgy phone/OS" issue.

I agree on you being provoked, but your tone is, to say the least, as immature as the rest. I agree on the N900 not being polished and finished but it's not crap as you're, again and again, inclined to call it.

The size of your eP3n1s is pretty irrelevant. See above.

Did you check the list of fixes? Did you check how many libraries were actually updated? Did you have a look at the list of new functionality?

There will always be bugs. I do agree on some of the bugs being just embarrassing, like in the menu system, but lots of work has been done and the fixes and new functionality that actually work just won't be noticed.

This agree on without any hesitation.

Re: Bugs within PR1.2
 

You might want to try either not moving the goalposts, or not call Google Calendar "Gmail" ;)

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Joorin

"The thread you're pointing at describes a problem that really is based on misconceptions about how the phone, and WiFi, works. This is not a "dodgy phone/OS" issue."

its a secure shell, not rocket science. If they cant get ssh right, no wonder nothing else works. "misconception" , that old chestnut that keeps popping up time and again, its the user NOT the phone.

"but your tone is, to say the least, as immature as the rest"

The usual....if you don't sing the praises of the almighty N900/Maemo stillborn Mobile Phone ...*YOU* have the problem, not the phone

"The size of your eP3n1s is pretty irrelevant"

Hmm posessing a BSc Hons In Software Engineering, I am *qualified* to comment on these matters, are you ??? or can you just made stupid comments like above, that you so quickly complain about others making ?

Did you check the list of fixes?

Yes and I was alarmed at the scope and quantity of bugs in the released software

Did you have a look at the list of new functionality?

Yes had a read of the changelog, in fact it was a Joke

things like

"File Manager is now able to share any file and/or folder" - wtf !!!!! damn what a nice *feature* that a "File Manager" can now handle any file or folder. christ its a sick sick joke.

No more "More" menu in application launcher, and is rearrangeable - wow !!!!!!!, like did it really take *months* to get such a killer "feature", time wasted on this says priorities are all wrong and development is no longer serious.

No wonder nokia keep so quiet about updates, just throwing crumbs to us......

Its plain to see n900/maemo is dead in the water, the lifespan of my phones is 1-1&1/2 years, these *URGENT* bug-fixes and the addition of BASIC functionality needs to be addressed in MUCH Shorter time-scales, no point getting them a year or two later is there ?

as youve prob guess im *REALLY* pi$$ed off, not at the cost alone, but the fact such low quality software was released in the 1st place, and i know there are alot of other n900 users who feel the same. And i am entitled to be mad at the amount of money i have spent.

For me the only hope as far as i can see is a successful port of android, whats the chances of Nokia opening up its drivers for this wonderful "open" platform ?????


i used to be a big nokia fan, owning all the older communicator series etc, they now sadly have lost the plot, they are aheadless chicken, sell any nokia shares you have would be my device.

Software drives a platform........and thats why the n900 is DOA.

As Siddarth said

"Well...Iphone is just for Lollypop licking ,nose dripping kiddos!!!.....Where you just eat for wht u get served..thats it!

well i do eat what i am served thx, with my 3gs i can dine a la carte from a menu of over 100,000 meal, with the n900 my choice is reduced to a few stale,out of date, half-baked turds of applications........may hurt but *that* is the truth of it.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Bumping my post, I'd really appreciate some replies on this, it'll take you 5 minutes to test ;)

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

Anyone else with this annoying but minor issue:
In app manager the list is sorted descending first. Sometimes the list gets unsorted suddenly. Cant say if this is triggered by some special event.
Was a bit annoying because i did not backup my application list, and wanted to reinstall only the programs i need. So I could net go through the list alphabetic, because sometimes the sort order was gone. I flashed without emmc.

Re: PR 1.2 make me sad, alot bugs
 

What's a "not enough room" upgrade? I thought not enough room meant reflash by PC.

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2: Bugs
 

The thread was about connectivity changing, not being able to log into the device but outbound traffic working well, which is all about the power saving mode in the WiFi module. OpenSSH works just a well as on any desktop computer. And yes, I did the legwork and investigated while developing an application to fiddle with the WiFi settings.

And the OpenSSH that's installed is, as far as I know, the same as is installed on any Debian/Linux machine out there, just cross compiled.

So, in this case, it was the user not understanding how the device works.

Now it's your turn to lick the old chestnut. I have only one reason to comment: you're not grasping what the actual problem was in the thread you're referring to. Simple as that. I agree on many things you say about problems with the device and I have no reason to disagree with the point that much has been rushed.

But when you're plain wrong, I see no reason to not correct you.

I'm glad you're well educated. That doesn't change the fact that you did a mistake while reading the thread you referred to and is in the wrong when it comes to what caused the problem reported in that thread.

Asking me if I can match your education is just bad form when you've obviously made a mistake. And if you're that well educated, wouldn't you want to be corrected so as to not spread false information any more? I know I do.

And the tone, with "eP3n1s", was both a way to evade the puritan word checking and trying to show you how you come across. Education and stature is nothing if you're wrong in what you say.

PR1.1.1 is far from perfect, I completely agree.

Since we both come from a Linux/UNIX background, I can only agree. But seen from the perspective of a random user, only being able to manipulate whatever is stored under MyDocs makes more sense.

But I agree, a file manager should be just that.

Depending on how interdependent the parts are, this might very well be a bigger fix than one might think. And you don't know when it was finished. All you know is that it was shipped now. It might very well have been done in the first month of work and be a really small fix.

I completely agree regarding bug fixes, and especially when it comes to basic functionality.

There will always be bad software released ahead of time. Taken as a whole, the N900 holds up pretty well with obvious flaws here and there even though it was rushed. I gnaw my teeth almost every day since I'm chained to a buggy Windows installation at work and say the same thing about low quality software.

You being as well educated as you claim, you should know that this isn't a valid argument. Stay away from the obvious fallacies and your valid points will have more weight.

Rave and rant as much as you want but don't expect to get away with spreading false information.

There is already an Android version for the N900 as a community port. I'm not in on the details, but it works to some extent.

Customers drive a platform. Users drive a platform. Not keeping up with demands is the killer if you ask me. But I'm sure you won't.

You can have sprinkles on your turds, it's the latest from Paris.