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Results better than expected. Nokia up 6,63% and over 8 euros at the moment.

ASP up by 4 euros. Very good news after seeing it slip for such a long time. Wonder where that rise came from. N8 pre-orders? Converged device sales up 61% from last year.

Handset unit good news countered by bad news from subsidiaries. NSN back to making big losses (-282 million euros), still lot less that that 1 billion loss during the same quarter last year. Navteq slid to losses as well.

https://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/char...realtime=false

EDIT: Nokia is going to fire 1800 workers.

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nice...me likes :)

Don't think we can compare with last year since the world economy were a lot less optemistic than today.

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Kauppalehti giving more inforrmation about the cuts. Elop wants to streamline Symbian and Ovi development. Most cuts from those units. 1800 cuts in total, about 800 in Finland and 1000 ROW.

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any numbers of the different phone segments?

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Q3 numbers are out

http://investors.nokia.com/phoenix.z...rterlyearnings

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dumbphones 83,9 million
smartphones 26,5 million (+61% y/y)



Also, Elop has learned to pronounce Nokia correctly. ;)

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Nokia will delay E7 to early 2011 accoring to Reuters. As I see this, It might affect the release plan for n9. don't think the will release E7 and N9 to close to eachother. So I run with the conclusion that N9 won't come early 2011 and Instead mid late 2011.

€7 will also miss the chirstmas. will this affect Q4 and the overall result for 2010?

http://www.mobil.se/articles/nokia-e...-1.380735.html

EDIT: goolgle translate didn't work today ;)

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Won't really affect Q4 sales. It was allways going to come out too late to really make it to Christmas market, and Christmas isn't usually very big boost for Eseries anyway. It will propably affect Q1 expectations/sales though. The "early 2011" might be quite late in Q1. Analyst from FIM (finnish bank) says that E7 pre-orders for large corporate clients will be shipped on week 10, aka mid-March. Claims to have supply chain info.

Not linking to Google translate, cause the drunken zen monk haikumasters that do translations for Google (all those fancy Google algorithms are just smokescreens to keep human-rights organizations off Google's zen monk sweatshops) really suck at doing translations between uralic and indo-european languages.

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Android Overtakes Symbian in Asia, On Track to Be Number One OS in Nordic Regions Next Summer
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/4...llular-news%29
http://phandroid.com/2010/11/23/andr...s-next-summer/

Just saying--be wary about basing everything on stock prices.

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thats BS i read about that a few weeks or so Back and they really twisted how they defined Asia.
They Left out the two Biggest Countries India and China and only included 5 Countries i think overall.
Talk about twisting stats to make them fit needs desperate US analysts again

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Fair criticism, although I think it's probably excluding China and India because of the vast local knock-offs. I'm still not sure why they wouldn't want to include that in the numbers.

That being said... MediaTek (and other similar chipset manufacturers) have managed to make some very inexpensive and tiny Android handsets (one of my coworkers imports Chinese handsets and has a very tiny, inexpensive 320x240 Android based Sony handset he had imported from China, for example). (ref: http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/18/android-china/). It's fair to assume that there must be a similar trend going on within China and India, but more importantly the whole rest of the world is clearly trending toward Android away from Symbian.

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here's where the survey covered.

*Notes
Survey coverage:
- North Asia refers to Hong Kong, Macau, South Korea and Taiwan
- Southeast Asia refers to Indonesia, Cambodia, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and
Vietnam
- Total Asia covers both North Asia and Southeast Asia
Survey period:
- 12 month survey period: Jul 09 – Jun 10
- Latest quarter comparison: Q310 vs Q309 (Jul-Sep months)

they missed out about 95% of Asia coincidently all the territories where Symbian is massive market leaders

I don't Buy that same trend is going on everywhere, They increased Sales of symbian devices last Q by 12 million compared to same Q last year.
apparently they are not Number in Europe anymore Now Asia and never was in america.
So if they not selling anywhere how are they increasing sales and still holding on to Number 1 Worldwide?

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if you read the PDF they released Symbian is still Market leader in what they refer to as South East Asia which is most the countries in the survey.
so really Android is only ahead in market share in the 4 Countries what they refer to as North Asia

you can see the PDF below,
like i said its all been massively twisted to suite android they even do market research in India but chose not to include it.

http://marketresearchbulletin.com/wp...ov10_final.pdf

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I don't think anybody said they're currently the market leader in those markets included in the survey. They DO point out that there is a clear trend that it is expected to overtake sometime next year.

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Doesn't seems that nokia phones will bring the stock value to any higher levels this or next year. Anyone have any input to how nokia handle systems and networks? any other areas where nokia can make money?

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Danramos, NvyUs is correct: the "Asia" data conveniently omitted key countries to slant statistics.

I'd be embarassed to trumpet that sort of crap reporting. :D

Methinks thou art too quick to bash, sir.

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LOL The "small" China-bug is one thing, regarding Nordic countries: this was before the N8 and C7 :) Nevertheless, it probably will come true since Sony Ericsson is selling X10 Minis and X8 like crazy. The new phones sold right now are either N8 (the leader) or X10 mini and X8, but the X10 mini and X8 combined and with a Samsung/HTC every now and then will sell at least as much or moremore than the N8 alone. Don't know exactly how well the C7 is selling, but it is hard to get hold of one, still nothing close to the N8 yet.

The market for iPhones is saturated, full stop, everyone who wanted one has got one.

Then the Nokia 6700 Slide (The best looking classic Symbian phone ever produced), is also selling like crazy.

So it is hard to tell how this will add up next summer. The only thing for certain is that there has never been so many phones sold as this year, and that smartphones has taken over for dumbphones. As for Android beating Symbian - maybe - maybe not, they are both winners as far as sales go.

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Just checking job advertisements in Southern-Finland:

Tuotantotyöntekijä, 20 paikkaa, Salo (20 x 'production worker')

Elektroniikkatyöntekijä, 30 paikkaa, Salo ( 30 x "electronics worker')...

...and some more like those. Those are open production/manufacturing jobs at Nokia's Salo factory, They have been aggressively hiring people since November.

My guess, Q4 S^3 sales and Nokia stock value on 27.1.2011 will suprise many.

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Must... resist... buying... Nokia... stock...

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I'm not surprised nor impressed. Q4 2009 was better than Q4 2010...

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Of course it was. That was when they shipped the N900:D

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I'm doubt if anybody at Nokia does draw the same conclusions. ;)

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The stock has just broken through 11 dollars on huge vol :eek:

http://www.tradershuddle.com/2011020...gh-Volume.html

The short sellers are leaving and running scared ahead of 11th of Feb:D

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note that the move up is mainly because of "windows mobile" rumors. It may infuriate the open source hippies but make the owners (stock holders) of the company very happy in the short term.

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This is awesome! I own Nokia stock I hope it jumps even higher in 9 days! o.O

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The short term only matters if you're day trading and plan to sell it. What matters is the long term.

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An article in the NYT on the contentious topic of Nokia-M$ alliance:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/te...okia.html?_r=1

...perhaps just another illustration how detached the stock market is from physical reality?

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stock market is not about facts. Its driven of expectations, rumers and specualtions.

just like most threads here.

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Given the trajectory of Nokia's stock, the combined maemo.org and MeeGo communities should be able to swing a hostile takeover in a few hours. Everyone in for €5 each?

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We can't do that, Microsoft is already sitting ready, hand hovering over the 'buy' button. This is clearly what was their plan all along.

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Lok at this stock value... compare yesterday and today...
http://www.google.com/finance?q=BIT:NOK1V

I hope that the board of directors will see their mistakes and fire that devil...

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maybe maybe not

But regardless what they thought back then, I bet you RIGHT NOW they have a buy plan they can execute.

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MS will get nokia almost free in a few months. :)

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14% drop today, below 9.40 - I bought in at 8.00 something, sold at 10.50 - short term goals met, I lost nothing.

I wouldn't bet on them for long term, especially if their credit rating gets dropped a notch.

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Wow they're getting pummeled. Would have been awesome to short this one. They definitely make biz news today and not in a good way

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A few more "nokia sucks memos" from Elop and MS can buy nokia for free and Elop's mission completed. He can cash out a major bonus

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why would i wanna talk to nokia's sock?

*edit
oh
stock..
right..
BORING!

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I thought shares usually go up on mergers guess the stock holders are also feeling sick about this.

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OK, I've given it a little more time. Is it okay to finally come out and trumpet these numbers to bash Nokia yet? :P

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So what do you believe on Monday. Usually it bounce back a little after a major fall. But I don't know. It's risky.