Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Good lord, man. I was talking about speed as per the post. You interpreted this as an attack against your phone of choice. Other phones that execute at native speed include: the iPhone, Symbian phones, WinMo phones, etc, etc, etc.


You're arguing the concept of 'more', which by definition is NOT an absolute concept.

I will not take back what I said without convincing (and relevant) evidence: A dalvik binary is MORE portable than a binary compiled for a target platform considering that it uses a VM! This is why VMs were created in the first place! Sure they may require libraries, drivers, etc, as do targeted binaries. However they do NOT require compatible architecture, which at the very least is a requisite of targeted binaries, and as such are... wait for it... MORE PORTABLE.

Now if there's some non-VM, auto-binary-translate feature in play that is widely used, I will concede this point. But last I checked debian (and similar) repo's contain multiple versions compiled for different architectures, and such a system doesn't exist.

What is it about platform tribalism that turns [assumed] reasonable people into simple extrapolating argumentative pedants?

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Sorry for attacking you. Like you, I actually think these things are very interesting topics, and maybe we're clashing because we differ at what we think is important. Regardless, there's no reason that we can't have a civil conversation. So, totally my fault. And again, sorry, my tone was inappropriate. I have since had my coffee.

Anyway, even though I'm stepping away for now, these topics are far from dead. And as you have alluded to, there's no free lunch and there's more than one way to skin a cat. Choice is good, as is debate.

Peace.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

I'm just as much to blame. I apologize for getting out of line.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Off on semi-related tangent, is not the portability of Dalvik binaries largely irrelevant due to the extremely narrow range of architectures (officially only ARM) that Android is running on? Certainly you have variations between ARMv6 and ARMv7, but that's so trivial as to be easily automated with the click of a button.

I could always take the Free Software bent and note that VM-based software is irrelevant if you have the source code. ;)

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Indeed, this is true most of the time. In recent days, though, Android is deployed to x86 devices in the form of Google TV, and the rate of evolution of the mobile arena does not elude to a clear architecture leader. The VM leaves the arch out of the equation so acrh innovation can happen without sacrificing compatibility.

Yes, code is indeed very portable often rendering VMs unecessary, of course.... :)

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

hi guys

just got a galaxy s, cause i'm gmail user ... gorgeous screen, love it ...
i'm just starting setting things ... but after just few hours of playing i can say ...
galaxy is for fun, it's fun, it's nice .... but:

- synchronize contacts with gmail and you get all your gmail contacts (not just the "my contacts" ... hundreds of contacts you don't really want in you phone ... maybe there is a fix, a procedure to do this, but ... don't delete any contact ... cause it will delete it from your gmail account too ...

- i always considered the n900 phone/contact aplication limited, but i'm not that happy with the android alternative

- galaxy has gtalk, but no voice, no video .... maybe there is another app ... maybe a newer version of android will change this

- browser seems to only get the mobile version of the pages

etc

first time with an android phone ....

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Or one could simply just use Qt, ya know? ;)

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

probably not correct thread but WTF
http://www.removethelabels.com/2010/...oid-community/

What kind of OS does that? Or is it AT&T fault or whattahell? Those "resolutions" sound pretty voodoo :)

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

da perl and cap'n, sitting in the tree... K-I-S-S-I....

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AT&T doesn't give a damn about the "android community" or their users. They'd prefer you were on a high margin iPhone instead.

But it sounds awesome, like it'll blindly begin writing out a ROM update even if you cancel it partially. I wonder if that's a vendor specific mechanism or Samsung?

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

N900 vs. Galaxy S - > I used to think there is no python support for android, I was wrong - Android Scripting Environment even has a droid class with access to all the hardware.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Skype for android released, one less advantage for N900 vs. Galaxy S

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...786#post833786

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

It looks as if the Galaxy S is selling in huge quantities. This line alone may contend favourably against the iPhone 4.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...656543566.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE68203T20100903

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Update: still in love with the SGS and, am sorry to say, the N900 is more or less on the shelf for now.

Big things that still annoy me about the SGS are:
1) lack of FM transmitter - if it's there and hidden, someone please tell me!
2) inability to plug into the aux in the car and still use the phone's mic.

That is all.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Oh, and the lack of a decent community site. The guys on xda dev and sgsforums seem to know diddelysquat about anything more than which is the prettiest wallpaper to choose and whether you need an AV program for your phone. Yawn!

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

1. I don't know about any hidden transmitter > You can always just purchase one that connects to the headphones jack.
2. Just buy an adapter, and leave it connect to the cars AUX, the adapter should have a microphone and it should work - maybe you even have one that came with N900? I got one that came with N95, works like a charm.
3. Even better, buy yourself a DRC BT30 (sony) adapter.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

I don't agree, XDA has lots of people who know what they are doing -
Android is not Maemo, you can't take linux/debian packages, compile for arm with minor adaptation and be done - So you won't be seeing all those crazy stuff maemo is able to pull off.
On the other hand, out of the box the system is able to do much much more.
Also-You have plenty of lag fixes etc to speed up things.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Quick question as I havent read the whole thread but does the Samsung have USB OTG ?

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

i have both phones and i use the sgs more lately because it's light and because the screen is great ... but i miss a few things from n900
- a real keyboard, with ctrl+stuff, even though swype is incredible ... one need lot of luck to perform a copy-paste thing on sgs ... for eg
- sip integration, even though sipdroid is fine

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

@jean2323
What do you mean that you need luck to perform copy paste? From modest?

To me ctrl-a + ctr-c & shift-arrows + ctrl-c works fine.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

btw.

So has the official OTA Update froyo 2.2 landed to all galaxy S phones as it was PROMISED?

.edit
hmm
http://recombu.com/news/samsung-gala...se_M12421.html

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Just to show you how amazing the Galaxy S Camera really is.

In the pic, my GF and my brother behind her.

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/a...0-08153456.jpg

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

why is this thread going on? We already have a winner in the smartphone championship. The worl already no the might n900 is the winner. Please respect that result ;)

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

I have a monitor on the thread, if it's pulse stops, I resesitate it!

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

what is modest?

if i want to copy text from the browser is difficult

if swype is active (like in memo) it is easy either activating the special editing menu (or whatever the name) swyping from option to 5 ... here you have some arrows and some functions

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Does anyone know if the Galaxy S has USB OTG

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

I think it doesn't.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

N900 is still a great device and unlimited potential. Galaxy S may be of use for non techies but ppl wanting to explore, Maemo has it. Agree that the support and apps are not to the expected levels. Overall, so far N900 is the best!!

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

The best? Better? All relative, I'm afraid -- a matter of perspective.

The trick to knowing what choices are individually optimal is to *know* oneself and the options available.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Unlimited potential means nothing in todays smartphone market, especially with the N900, I feel disheartened by it tbh and am seriously considering the Galaxy S or its sucessor or equivalent instead

The N900 *did* have potential but sadly it appears to either be abandoned or a lot of players in the market have completly side stepped it which is a shame

When I first got the N900 I thought fantastic look at all the things I can do with it or should be able to do with it with all the talk and buzz about it

Im still waiting for the Formula 1 app (which will never happen I dont think)
Stellarium hildonized version
Backtrack mobile
Wirehshark hildonized version

and a few other apps

Now I know these apps arent available on other devices (that I am aware of) apart from F1 and a few others not listed

I want more portrait modes for default apps like email and sms etc

Sadly im tied into a 2 year contract though so dont really have the option of selling up, I just have to keep hoping things will change

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

*Sonic*
Sorry but keep on dreaming. You bought totally wrong device to your needs and If I were you would try to make some kind of deal to change it.

Good luck.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Dont get me wrong there are things I like about the N900 but like I say im disheartened it isnt as big as it could have been, and its shortcomings wont really be rectified as the market has moved on

I ddint buy the phone as such, I got it on contract therefore cant sell it on until the contract is up, and Nokia massively over hyped and over marketed the product to what it is not, and not what it is (UK Market)

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

I have both the galaxy s captivate and the n900 ... I like the galaxy s better due to better hardware but I still think maemo is better android is not all that great. I can't wait for the n9 ... :D

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

I exactly do not want the default email or SMS application in portrait mode because reading in that small format would be far away from the way of email reading that I am used on my PC
and SMS in portrait has always been a bad thing for me.

YMMV.

Of course the possibility to select(!) would be fine for you.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

Yes, having the choice alone would be nice :)

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

just bricked my sgs with the froyo upgrade and i'm back to n900 ... and i'm not happy

there are a few things i could not fix in sgs, i couldn't find a sip application to match nokia's system integrated app and i had a few issues with the google apps (think that's why i messed up the phone in the end), couldn't find an email app that could attach any type of file ...

but, the screen is so great, it's so light; swype and voice really rock ... i don't really miss that keyboard, photo apps are so much better, video is better, wifi is better; gps is better

hope i can fix it soon :D

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

What exactly is it's status that you think it's bricked?
It's only bricked if you smashed the usb port or you have ruined the bootloader and now have an exclamation mark when you try to power it up.

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

well ... starts, i see the galaxy logo and the flashy booting video, but that's it ... black screen and vibrations it's all i get next :)
and it seems my unit has the 3 button menu locked, so i cannot restore it
tried few tricks; tried adb, odin, lots of button combinations ...
the phone is seen by the computer as media storage, tried to force it to use some drivers; but i failed ... maybe it's not suppose to work like that, maybe the drivers were not good

funny thing is that kies identifies the phone; but tells me that i need to put in in kies mode :)

if you could help with some ideas .... i'd be grateful! :)

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

My lead was to tell you to use adb recovery, but you say you have already tried that one (: thats too bad.
Though, I have heard stuff about :
- Take battery out for 10 min
- Hold your download mode combination and put battery back in
- Once screen flickers once - stop holding power button, but keep rest.
- Phone should boot to download mode.
- Use odin
Happily i got 3 button combo - didn't you read about not playing with your phone if it doesn't have 3 button combo ??? ):

Re: N900 vs samsung galaxy s
 

The Galaxy S is a nice little toy . . . I have played with it before . . . If you are looking for a better replacement for your iphone than I would say go with the samsung galaxy s . . . If you are looking for a replacement for your laptop than I would say go with the Nokia N900 :p