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Bijiont 2010-08-19 09:31
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 791540)
You forgot to include 'Made by, maintained and supported by anyone but Nokia'. :)
Yeah because the last thing we need is more surface mount issues on USB. . . . sorry dead horse I know but the thing is sooooo fun to beat on with my stick. :D

ptpoul 2010-08-19 11:48
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by automagic68 (Post 790570)
MeeGo will most definitely have "full" "pure" multitasking? Android's version seems painful to have to adjust to. :( Will Gingerbread AKA 3.0 have any major changes with the structure of multitasking?
I am not excited about n900's multitasking abilities. Example: yesterday I am riding the bus home. Hops on the free wifi on the bus and make myself available on the chat. I am also listening to music and my wife sends me a youtube link.
Well, even beforeI hit the youtube link the phone is painfully slow. Sliding out the screen results in stuttering music and a 7 second wait before the screen turns on. The youtube link makes me close the music player. All in all from the time my wife sent me the youtube link till I could see the video with choppy playback it took at least 2 minutes.
These things happen all the time. the n900 is far from being a complete product. It boasts a shitload of features that are cutting edga, and buggy as hell. I have never spent so much time waiting for a phone to open the email client, calendar, text message as I have with this phone.
Maybemultitasking was disabled for a good reason on the iphone and is hampered on android?
Maybe nokia just put a piece of **** on the market. I don't know...

eitama 2010-08-19 11:57
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ptpoul (Post 791696)
I am not excited about n900's multitasking abilities. Example: yesterday I am riding the bus home. Hops on the free wifi on the bus and make myself available on the chat. I am also listening to music and my wife sends me a youtube link.
Well, even beforeI hit the youtube link the phone is painfully slow. Sliding out the screen results in stuttering music and a 7 second wait before the screen turns on. The youtube link makes me close the music player. All in all from the time my wife sent me the youtube link till I could see the video with choppy playback it took at least 2 minutes.
These things happen all the time. the n900 is far from being a complete product. It boasts a shitload of features that are cutting edga, and buggy as hell. I have never spent so much time waiting for a phone to open the email client, calendar, text message as I have with this phone.
Maybemultitasking was disabled for a good reason on the iphone and is hampered on android?
Maybe nokia just put a piece of **** on the market. I don't know...
I know exactly what you mean, I decided to OC my phone to 1GHz and it solved all those problems, and if the phone fries, then it fries, and i'll have even more motivation to get the galaxy s or htc desire.

Edit : Some people will say I will feel the urge to OC the Galaxy S as well, This is not true, it's a nice cliche, but as a matter of fact, I do not OC my desktop computer's cpu or gpu, I can play all the latest and greatest without the need to crank up the goods.

hhadrian 2010-08-19 12:14
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ptpoul (Post 791696)
I am not excited about n900's multitasking abilities. Example: yesterday I am riding the bus home. Hops on the free wifi on the bus and make myself available on the chat. I am also listening to music and my wife sends me a youtube link.
Well, even beforeI hit the youtube link the phone is painfully slow. Sliding out the screen results in stuttering music and a 7 second wait before the screen turns on. The youtube link makes me close the music player. All in all from the time my wife sent me the youtube link till I could see the video with choppy playback it took at least 2 minutes.
These things happen all the time. the n900 is far from being a complete product. It boasts a shitload of features that are cutting edga, and buggy as hell. I have never spent so much time waiting for a phone to open the email client, calendar, text message as I have with this phone.
Maybemultitasking was disabled for a good reason on the iphone and is hampered on android?
Maybe nokia just put a piece of **** on the market. I don't know...
i am surprised maybe you need the iphone's restrictions this seems to be a theme that runs through these forums.if i were you maybe you should try something alittle less ferrari and more four door saloon

bensmith808 2010-08-19 12:39
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmsjkung (Post 786778)
No more nokia after N900....
same here, it left me traumatised! lol

loukkis 2010-08-19 14:06
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 789681)
Well, now that you're mentioning a firm... any BUSINESS would NEVER want to use an N900 as their phone. RIGHT away, the problem is that there is no IMMEDIATE support or replacement policy. You can't wait a month or more to ship this device all over the Earth just to get a small (maybe not even critical) part replaced. You can't depend on Nokia as a vendor of a device your business depends on. This would be an immediate deal-killer in any business relationship with a device manufacturer, as far as I'm concerned, and a big reason why I cannot recommend it to the associated, friends and family that I talk to either.
You are either troll or *****. Which one?

colnago 2010-08-19 14:22
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 791833)
You are either troll or *****. Which one?
Sounds like someone who has valid points...and I love my 900. Its hard to argue that the 900, in its current state, would be a feasible choice for business users vs. a Blackberry for example.

joelsk 2010-08-19 14:25
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Until something else comes out with similar form factor and multitasking..N900 would be the phone/tablet IMO. multitasking as in getting something done in the background as opposed to stopping a task to do another.

daperl 2010-08-19 14:55
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joelsk (Post 791857)
Until something else comes out with similar form factor and multitasking..N900 would be the phone/tablet IMO. multitasking as in getting something done in the background as opposed to stopping a task to do another.
We're getting closer to what the difference between a smartphone and a computer is. Currently, the n900 is the only handheld that is intended to be both. But I'll augment my previous prediction, when multi-core processors become common place in handhelds, both Google and Apple will turn their smartphone OS into a computer OS.

Laughing Man 2010-08-19 15:13
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 791833)
You are either troll or *****. Which one?
I disagree with danramos's posts sometimes. But I found nothing wrong with that post. They are all valid and true. Companies (at least sizable ones) need support. And if Nokia's customer support is any indication, any smart business would stay clear of Nokia phones for business purposes.

loukkis 2010-08-19 15:41
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 791900)
I disagree with danramos's posts sometimes. But I found nothing wrong with that post. They are all valid and true. Companies (at least sizable ones) need support. And if Nokia's customer support is any indication, any smart business would stay clear of Nokia phones for business purposes.
I don't know if Nokia USA has a terrible support organization or what is the problem in there, but seems to me that almost everywhere else in a world Nokia's support is as good as any.

Danramos was referring to Nokias lack of support, but let me tell you a secret: In real world there are more then Nokia USA and in a rest of the world you really will get support from Nokia. So why you generalize the problem?

If Nokia USA is crap, that does not imply that Nokia's products are crap or those are not suitable for business use.

For your's, or danramos's logic, if 1 US citizen is an idiot, rest of us can safely assume that you all are idiots.

As a side note, I have to say, that when I owned some "made in usa" -stuff earlier, work quality and support of all of those products was so low, that any european company could not even dare to let that **** out of their factory. I would never ever buy or recommend any product that has "Made in U.S.A" in it.

automagic68 2010-08-19 19:35
Re: Next phone after N900
 
You guys see the n9 leaked photos omg i am getting that! I'll be dropping that pre-order money!!!

danramos 2010-08-19 20:01
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 791929)
I don't know if Nokia USA has a terrible support organization or what is the problem in there, but seems to me that almost everywhere else in a world Nokia's support is as good as any.
It's not just bad, it's positively appalling in the US, as near as I (and everyone I know personally) have experienced, and from what I've read and what's clearly stated as support from Nokia. If it's outstanding everywhere else in the world, then clearly I'm pointing out a US business' case for why you wouldn't want anything made by Nokia. On the other hand, their shrinking global marketshare might be saying otherwise, despite the shiny new devices coming out of Nokia. I would still argue that it would be interesting to see whether someone else will support their products far better than Nokia would when you depend on a product whether for your life, business or pleasure.

Quote:
Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 791929)
Danramos was referring to Nokias lack of support, but let me tell you a secret: In real world there are more then Nokia USA and in a rest of the world you really will get support from Nokia. So why you generalize the problem?
I neither generalized nor specified. You inferred a generalization, understandably. But then, where are you located that you're getting such excellent support? Are you able to order new spare parts? Repairs? Replacement without mailing your phone off for a month? Or are you inferring that the lack of these, otherwise very critical concerns for business and personal customers, are not at all important?

Quote:
Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 791929)
If Nokia USA is crap, that does not imply that Nokia's products are crap or those are not suitable for business use.
I clearly argued that it does. If a product is GREAT for business but then can't be supported, repaired or replaced promptly, that product is as useful as the support offered. It's certainly not business grade support by a LONG shot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 791929)
For your's, or danramos's logic, if 1 US citizen is an idiot, rest of us can safely assume that you all are idiots.
You didn't make any sense. Care to rephrase your argument?

Quote:
Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 791929)
As a side note, I have to say, that when I owned some "made in usa" -stuff earlier, work quality and support of all of those products was so low, that any european company could not even dare to let that **** out of their factory. I would never ever buy or recommend any product that has "Made in U.S.A" in it.
I'm intrigued at the direction you took your argument, lad. So, you argue the point of a company's clearly appalling record of supporting customers is a nationalistic issue? If you had otherwise argued, say: you had bought several items made by company X, and their workmanship and their history of support of their product was awful, then I can assume the rest of company X's products are not worth purchasing. Then, I would have agreed. A company decides their level of support and dedication to customers, not their race, creed or nationality. Wouldn't you agree? Or, would you disagree?

imperiallight 2010-08-19 20:07
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 791929)
As a side note, I have to say, that when I owned some "made in usa" -stuff earlier, work quality and support of all of those products was so low, that any european company could not even dare to let that **** out of their factory. I would never ever buy or recommend any product that has "Made in U.S.A" in it.
After dropping an unfinished product onto the masses, Nokia's aftercare for the n900 has been shambolic. And then they rendered the device as obsolete after 6 months. I am from the UK, does that make me jingoistic as well?

egoshin 2010-08-19 20:18
Re: Next phone after N900
 
I think a discussion about Nokia gone too far. Personally, I don't care too much about support if N900 working, and reliability bugs in system were fixed - I need a Linux phone and I chose any which looks good.

And never mind is it Nokia or so. Of course, Nokia RF is still very impressive and gives some plus.

Unfortunately, on a market there is no choice today, only N900. Android is not an open Linux platform but Java platform based on Linux kernel. The rest ... is nothing.

fadimck 2010-08-19 20:30
Re: Next phone after N900
 
dears,

this is my personal experience with N900, i bought it December 2009 and sold it on May 2010. Bought after that HD2 then SE X10 then Moto Milestone but nothing is stable like N900 so i sold them and bought another brand new N900

the system stability is not found in the other phones plus the unique browsing experience. the TV out the Camera, the battery performance, the keyboard ..... all these stuff i didn't found there the only advantage of the Android is the Market , the best thing in X10 is the camera but the N900 is the best

loukkis 2010-08-20 05:56
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 792237)
It's not just bad, it's positively appalling in the US, as near as I (and everyone I know personally) have experienced, and from what I've read and what's clearly stated as support from Nokia. If it's outstanding everywhere else in the world, then clearly I'm pointing out a US business' case for why you wouldn't want anything made by Nokia. On the other hand, their shrinking global marketshare might be saying otherwise, despite the shiny new devices coming out of Nokia. I would still argue that it would be interesting to see whether someone else will support their products far better than Nokia would when you depend on a product whether for your life, business or pleasure.



I neither generalized nor specified. You inferred a generalization, understandably. But then, where are you located that you're getting such excellent support? Are you able to order new spare parts? Repairs? Replacement without mailing your phone off for a month? Or are you inferring that the lack of these, otherwise very critical concerns for business and personal customers, are not at all important?



I clearly argued that it does. If a product is GREAT for business but then can't be supported, repaired or replaced promptly, that product is as useful as the support offered. It's certainly not business grade support by a LONG shot.



You didn't make any sense. Care to rephrase your argument?



I'm intrigued at the direction you took your argument, lad. So, you argue the point of a company's clearly appalling record of supporting customers is a nationalistic issue? If you had otherwise argued, say: you had bought several items made by company X, and their workmanship and their history of support of their product was awful, then I can assume the rest of company X's products are not worth purchasing. Then, I would have agreed. A company decides their level of support and dedication to customers, not their race, creed or nationality. Wouldn't you agree? Or, would you disagree?
It is not nationalistic issue, but you have to look both ways to find the point of my post. You started generalization so i just followed your example.

I can safely say that Nokia has a great support organisation compared to other players. If i drop my N900 and screen breaks, I drive 12 kilometres to a little town(population 35000) and choose which one of the two repair shops I bring it in. If I'm lucky there is no queue and I get my phone back same day, and if there is long queue I might have to wait week to get it fixed. Any spare parts would be available immediatly or at least next business day.

If I break Motorola phone, it takes months to get it fixed, I think that they does not even repair Motorolas here. I know that they don't fix Apple in whole country as those are sent to some other country to fix. So Nokia has superior support organization. Don't you think same way?

As you can see, we have different kind of support organization and we have different kind of opinion about Nokia's support. I say it is great and you say it sucks. I'm right and you are wrong. :D

I'm sorry if you don't understand my examples and you cannot read between the lines, my english is quite bad.

choubbi 2010-08-20 06:35
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 792675)
I can safely say that Nokia has a great support organisation compared to other players. If i drop my N900 and screen breaks, I drive 12 kilometres to a little town(population 35000) and choose which one of the two repair shops I bring it in. If I'm lucky there is no queue and I get my phone back same day, and if there is long queue I might have to wait week to get it fixed. Any spare parts would be available immediatly or at least next business day.
Nokia has better support in Finland than non-Finnish companies, so Nokia has better worldwide support than these other companies ?
That's what I understand from your post.

Back to the thread, I love my n900, and don't see any phone yet able to compete, within my personal preferences. However, the battery life isn't great, and I'm interested if any of you know a phone with :
- resistive screen
- hardware keyboard
- linux kernel
- GPS
- not-so-bad browsers
- significantly better battery life than the N900

loukkis 2010-08-20 19:15
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by choubbi (Post 792698)
Nokia has better support in Finland than non-Finnish companies, so Nokia has better worldwide support than these other companies ?
That's what I understand from your post.
Of course this is not the case. It's same kind of unreal conclusion that danramos made, but I rolled it the other way around.

mr_bridger 2010-08-20 20:04
Re: Next phone after N900
 
ive been looking at new phones, just incase voda allow me to cancel! lol

ive come to the conclusion i might get another N900... and then have one with maemo, and the other running Nitdroid or meego once its available. i dont see any decent android phones with a good sized screen and hw keyboard. the two main things im after.

Nitdroid is coming on at a rapid rate. and seems very useable evn in its current state. just need 3g support and be able to make calls.

just my 2p

dantonic 2010-08-20 21:11
Re: Next phone after N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 792675)
It is not nationalistic issue, but you have to look both ways to find the point of my post. You started generalization so i just followed your example.

I can safely say that Nokia has a great support organisation compared to other players. If i drop my N900 and screen breaks, I drive 12 kilometres to a little town(population 35000) and choose which one of the two repair shops I bring it in. If I'm lucky there is no queue and I get my phone back same day, and if there is long queue I might have to wait week to get it fixed. Any spare parts would be available immediatly or at least next business day.

If I break Motorola phone, it takes months to get it fixed, I think that they does not even repair Motorolas here. I know that they don't fix Apple in whole country as those are sent to some other country to fix. So Nokia has superior support organization. Don't you think same way?

As you can see, we have different kind of support organization and we have different kind of opinion about Nokia's support. I say it is great and you say it sucks. I'm right and you are wrong. :D

I'm sorry if you don't understand my examples and you cannot read between the lines, my english is quite bad.
I live in California.
I recently was forced to send my N900 in for repair due to a couple of issues.
Not sure what happened, whether it was physical damage or a software issue, but I could no longer turn it on.

I also had an issue of "white spots" on the screen that other users have experienced too, so I mentioned this in a letter as well. I had not sent the device in previously for this issue because I always assumed it would take at least a month to get it back.

I was impressed with Nokias customer service.
I called them, told them my issues. They immediately emailed me a UPS 2nd day shipping label.

I mailed it 2 days later, they received it in 1-2 days. (This went to a repair center in Alabama)
They took care of all problems, including replacing the LCD display.
and mailed it back to me within 4 days. This is the schedule of how things went right from the nokia "repair status" page:

Current Status Shipped Repaired Original Phone
08/16/10 Repair in Progress
08/13/10 Awaiting Parts
08/12/10 Received
08/09/10 Pending Receipt by the Repair Center

I got the N900 back in my hands on the morning of the 18th.

It took exactly 1 week from the time I mailed it, to the time I received it back in my hands.

Overall impressed.


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