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oh citation needed here too.

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you really should stop whining about a phone that you dont even have.
its like i never had an mac desktop but im talking every day about it how much better my win xp is.
dont take me wrong but in every second post of you you are talkin how useless the n900 is or how awesome your android phone is.
and you cant compare the n800 to the n900.
there are worlds between these phones.

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You mean, a phone I didn't want. I'm still waiting for the next Maemo device to upgrade to after my N800. It's likely I may not do that until MeeGo comes out... and then probably the Intel version, we'll see though.

At any rate, once again--dismissing what I've said, even without owning an N900, doesn't really make anything I've said or any of my questions any less valid. ...or is this supposed to be an exclusive club now? Are we required to purchase N900's?

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Citation needed for.. what? You want me to prove a negative? This is like telling someone to PROVE their innocence.. any lack of proof is proof of guilt. :P How about you prove to me that there IS support and parts available? I've been asking that and now you seem to have broken down and decided to flip it on me to prove that they AREN'T available, which is just funny. :)

As for the bluetooth keyboard... I'm sure you can find the thread here in the forums. I've stopped following it.

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I never tripped over mine or anything. Please do not suggest that it is due to lack of care. I find that insulting to me and the $625 I spent on a device I can no longer use because of a design defect by Nokia and its refusal to treat its customers well and thereby refusing to fix because I bought it in US and live in UK.

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You try to make worldwide point about Nokia support? You are trying to say that support pretty much sucks elsewhere than in Europe? Actually I would be really interested on what kind of support Nokia provides on developing countries where is currently huge growth going on and where Nokia is really pushing stuff.

Hmmm. I think that it´s like digging your own whole when trying to make some general point about Nokia support. We are talking about multi-regional company with sht load of phones which are probably also customized by service provides. So there is quite many variables to take in account so I would be pretty careful when saying anything about support in general.

N900 or let´s say Nokia support in general for USA seems to suck. And this is just my observation from what I have seen around here in TMO from output of user from that country.

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12 hours later and I'm still loving my N900 :D

I see the haters are still busy hating....maybe thats why they cant get to grips with the N900 !

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Don't know, haven't tried, it was easy on my N810. If this is an issue that is unfortunate, but its still better than the iPod touch. Ie. I find lack of BlueTooth tethering on iPod touch more a discomfort than the work required to get BlueTooth keyboard working on N900. However, both are features not officially supported.

This is also my hope. One problem is that tweaking it means the product isn't vanilla anymore which means e.g. SSU may fail. The more users you have providing bug reports and the more developers you have able to solve these bugs, the better the product becomes, but products also get more complex.

I also don't agree this is only due to closed source components, but I recognize this is a main concern of yours. My biggest issue is 1) The hardware issues (microUSB port, battery life) 2) The lack of security/reliability updates. I think this is because we're too small userbase to be profitable if such is taken care for 3) I do recognize people do want more open source components, and want features such as USB-OTG, MMS, but these are secondary to my 2 primary concerns because these concerns count for any product. The product wasn't advertised to have say MMS, so if you are able to hack it on it, you should be grateful for that; it isn't a given.

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Sadly this is an example of a minority getting the shaft. People who buy unlocked GSM phones (myself included) are not covered under normal warranty at times and are forced to jump through hoops to get anything serviced.

This isn't true all the time however the last few unlocked phones I have purcahsed I was basically told "your out of luck unless you want to pay normal repair fee ($150)".

The microUSB port on the N900 is poor, this has been known for a while now. Thankfully Nokia took note and use better connectors but that doesn't really help the current N900 owners. I am just glad mine has been holding up, but I still feel sorry for the people who has issues and were forced to deal with customer support at Nokia.

Side note I am not "unhappy" about the N900 it was a good device. Sure it had it's issues but what device doesn't these days due to their complexity? People forget these aren't 1960 hand radios which were rock solid due to their limited capabilities. But that is another rant. . .:D

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You disagreed with the masses. Off with your head! [citation needed]

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"Masses" is relative and directly correlates with fan site of choice. -Texrat's Axiom

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That, is fÜcking spot on.

Another Texrat® quality quote:D

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http://europe.nokia.com/support/repa...ir/care-points

I saw in a thread a fact that you are wrong. Now our arguments are alike and equally valuable...

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Nokia is playing catch up to high end smartphone market. Nokia is the best cellphone hardware manufacturer, great build quality + audio quality but where they lack is the software side. That is why for high end smartphones (already existent) Maemo was encouraged and it turned out to be a successful experiment for Nokia otherwise they would'nt have pushed for another OS based on Maemo UI and features. With Meego, they hope to have a high-end OS applicable for an average user (or lack of better explanation, easily marketable) for an everyday use.

They are still in awe to how they were left so far behind but they are working hard at making a come back while still retaining mid-range to low-range market, no easy task.

So as i see it. Ovi store will remain in beta (a joke form) till Meego handset will be near its release and all of a sudden scandinavian style Ovi store will be updated. A huge gamble because if it were me, i would have put Ovi store out and about by now to encourage maximum number of developers rather than gathering 3000 developers and letting them know the new screen you have produced is blacker than black because well thats another hardware achievement.

But simply producing great hardware and software doesn't mean large number of sales. If you saw Nokia World 2010 live, you knew right away where the problem lies. Nokia is simply awful at communicating. I could've prepared better presentation. Some of Nokia employees need to be send to American Universities where they can learn how to create wow moments during presentations i.e. demo it in front of everyone. Don't say screen is sharp, prove it by demoing it. Don't put stuff like ovi maps is better than google maps cause it just makes you sound too desperate.

So back to question as to how they can capture Smartphone Dream. The new cellphone high-end market is about being cool and fashionable alongside having great software and hardware and Nokia is well just too Scandinavian. Exactly why their new CEO + Meego chief move might turn out to be a great move indeed.

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OFF TOPIC:

All in all, they are moving in the right direction one tiny step at a time. American market is a very different story all together because market is ruled through carriers not through customers. Nokia made a huge mistake when (they were ahead of everyone else) Nokia N95 came out to not push down some of its features but make it acceptable to a carrier in states. They could've put a serious dent in North American market back then. They brought E71x and instantly it was seen in the movie 'Hangover'.

I apologize, it is way too long a post.

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Bah. You guys are overlooking the first four letters, then new word of "the masses"... I swear I can't help but read it as the masses.

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I stopped reading the article when I got to Nokia adopting Android. *sigh*

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So what???

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You can ADOPT them now??

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Sure! Just adopt a green little trashcan with arms.

SCNR :D

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to topicstarter:

its sad that u leave, but many of us dont want to change our n900 to anything else.
i love hw keyb, i can chat/email properly - seeing the whole screen while i write.
easydebian
nitdroid for android - games and such
i love IR and FM transmitter
i dont want capacitive screen.
and for many more reasons

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You shouldn't pretend to speak for everyone. I can just as easily point out that many of us (particularly the ITT folks) didn't want the N900 and preferred something better (not necessarily Android, iPhone, etc). I'd speculate that "many of us" even left to go off to Android after being fed up with Nokia and Maemo's many frustrations.

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OK I want to play too!:D

I'll speculate that the original quoted speculator is more accurate in his speculation than the second speculator. This is because contented users are often less vocal than the unhappy users.

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lol, well put

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sorry that u took it that way. thats why i wrote "many of us", not "all of us".
if your experience with the n900 is so bad that u cant endure reading positive comments, u must have had a really horrible experience.
once again "MANY of us" have experienced the n900 mainly positive.
sure - i spend some time now and then to reconsider the n900 if was a good or bad purchase... i compare with other newer phones but i always come to the same conclusion in the end... just imagining losing easy debian (+open office), ir, hw keyb, massive video codec support, FM transmitter, resistive touch screen (i consider capacitive less precise), maemos nice capabilities & interface, TI85 advanced graphing calculator, and all this while still having nitdroid as alternative (where vsync works), and much more...

just imagining losing all that stuff makes makesme realise why i chose the N900.

sure the n900 could have gotten much better support than it has so far.
but on the other hand the n900 had things from the beginning that android users had to wait a very long time to get (mobile hotspot, flash ...etc). the n900 had all of this from the beginning and could therefore be considered androids "mother" :D

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You shouldn't even speak for many of us. :) As Grok put it so well, you could claim just about anything and pretend to have the weight of everyone (or many) behind you.

I'm glad your experience with the N900 is so great that you can prance about aloof and dismiss all criticism despite anyone else's experiences. It doesn't make anyone else's opinions any less valid or wrong, however. :)

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How is he dismissing all critism by stating how he enjoys using his device?

Some of the cars Ive loved the most have had the most flaws aswell.

I do not believe that most people particapating in this forum come here to make themselves depressed/frustrated by constantly needing to voice their anger which I believe would be the case if they disliked their device/OS so much. I sincerely hope thats is the case or else it would be all kinds of sad.

For myself the n900 is a perfect example of what Nokia mean when they say "Its not technology is what you do with it.", which corresponds well with the amount of Engadget articles the n900 has spawned.

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I already explained it back there--he dismisses the points that are raised by simply pointing out something along the lines of, "I don't see a problem!" It's the equivalent of saying, 'I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUU', plugging your ears and going la-la-la. heh It's both silly and dismissing the issues because you don't want to hear them.

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Issues have priorities and priorities tend to be subjective. Remember that.

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:D I like! :D

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its quite amazing this post went 19 pages long and the OP did not say specifically why he would never buy another nokia(I read all his post)
The only reason I seen was:" Nokia were definitely going for mainstream with the N900" but he was disappointed it did not.

If this is your only reason...Welcome to life buddy.

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apparantly you like to contradict your own oppinions by talking for others as well.

...and no... youre wrong about "pretending" to have other peoples weight, as it can be easilly seen (and proven) on this forum that many people love the n900 (as well as there are many who hates it) ...theres no need to "pretend" anything like that here, since the proofs are right in front of your face - you just have to release your mindblocks :)
i never stated that the n900 is flawless - only that i need these features that is currently missing on other phones.
unlike you, i can read both negative and positive feedback and process without any discrimination.

apparantly you are so angry about the n900 that you cant accept any positive comments about it.
apparantly as well, you also missed the part where i stated that i also reconsider the n900 from time to time.

anyways, since your anger clouds your judgement so much that u miss essential parts of this conversation, as well as pretending that there arent many people who likes the n900 (despite tons of positive feedback on TMO), and finally getting a attitude problem to those people - i feel no reason to continue this discussion.

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OK, I used to stare in envy at those iPhone4 users who could get seemingly almost instant downloads and the bright screen that seems to move so fast with a quick swipe and a touch etc. So I broke down and bought an unlocked iPhone4 when I was last in London and brought it back to the US. I have spent the last 48 hours trying to get the thing working properly on T-Mobile in the US and OK, I got it working this morning and tested it's speed - nothing extraordinary on the T-Mobile network - and certainly only marginally faster than my trusty N900.

But what got my goat was:
i) the keyboard on the iPhone4, which is dreadful - even though I live in Texas I'm hardly obese, so my (piano-playing) fingers are not podgy by any stretch of the imagination. Writing a text with the iPhone took almost twice the time it would take with the N900;
ii) iTunes - why would I have to Sync with iTunes all the time - I couldn't transfer anything without using iTunes - at least with the N900 you have 2 choices and can see what you have on your phone. And then of course you have to put up with all those endless Bonjour and iTunes updates on your computer :);
iii) 3G - for a company that clearly has world dominance on it's mind, Apple has made a high-end phone that doesn't work on T-Mobile's 3G network in the US - so the N900 is much better in the sense that it operates on 3G networks virtually worldwide; and
iv) Internet connection - so I used the Edge network and the iPhone4 was all the time losing the connection and then searching for it again. My N900 locks in and rarely loses the signal. I don't know if this is to do with the band around the iPhone4, but whatever the reason, it's not as good as the N900.

I now realize 3 things about the iPhone4:
1. "This changes everything. Again" is a brilliant piece of marketing. But the substance behind it can only be delivered by spending twice what I spend on my cellphone bill per month with AT&T. And the point is that it DOESN'T change anything much - the OS is fast, yes, but the software is awkward and the 2 home screens don't show any capability of letting you know what apps are multitasking (unlike the N900) - and that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the lack of functionality in the phone compared to what I'm used to with the N900. But Nokia needs to up the ante with its advertising - maybe hire a different agency and start to think in terms of more stylish phones rather than the clunky image it tends to have with most phone users.
2. The iPhone is for people who like TV remotes - they are not interested in what is going on inside and in customizing anything - they just want it to work straight out of the box and they're prepared to pay for many of the apps that you get for free with the N900. OK, I know most of the world's population is like that, but not everyone, thank god!
3. The one really impressive thing about the iPhone4 is that It's battery life is way way longer than on the N900, and so I hope Nokia is paying attention and gives us a decent battery life next time around.

So to end the story, my iPhone4 is now for sale on eBay and I'm back with my N900. Anyone want to buy it? :D

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Problems are relative and particular to the individual - Texrat's second axoim

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@patrickcctx:
1. The keyboard has above average auto spell correction, most users should just pummel through and let The System autocorrects the text. Provided you use 100% English (or any of te supported dictionary).

2. The n900 doesn't work on AT&T's 3G network.

3. ITunes: yeah. But it does have many good features to analyze and manage your medias, compared to bare file handling.

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I'm not even gonna touch the irony. Nope.

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:D

LOL, that was on N900.

(jk, I typed that on my iphone while getting a haircut and I forgot to switch the language :P)

ps: correct post vs good haircut, I picked the latter. That's priority *g*

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I wouldn't consider myself to be an expert on Nokia yet, but I want to input my two cents. I've already written many articles about Nokia and the changes that need to occur for the company to be successful once again. If you're interested just head on over to my site...

But the real thing here is that Nokia only has one chance left to save face and that is Meego. Period. They need to build Meego correctly and make sure it is one of the best operating systems for a mobile phone that mankind has ever encountered and they need to bring that experience along with it. Not only that, they need to make sure that developers KNOW that Meego is here to stay and that Nokia is going to throw its full support behind Meego, unlike Maemo.

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Seriously guys, you make a great case for "nobody cares" with your 20 pages of trying to rationalize the N900 not being a great device for this guy as being a problem with him. Chill out, let him buy a new phone, and be done with it.

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thread killer.

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I honestly did not read all 20 pages of the thread, and to be frank it doesn't seem like it's necessary. I only really think people should be addressing the OP and not some obscure tangent that was born as a result of this topic. In my opinion, Nokia needs to change their marketing, their design(they're doing that), Operating systems (hopefully doing that), and Developer support (by not jerking the operating system chain and providing an open source OS while still supporting it)