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So go talk to Nokia. WE have no clients. WE are not marketing people. This is a user forum, and all you've done is complain to a bunch of users who are, arguably, in the same boat with you.

Yet 21 posts in the only thing you came to this forum for was to complain. Please, take it to where it actually might possibly conceivably reach the ears of the people who matter. Ditto for everyone else who decided it'd be a good idea to attack other users, and those who keep egging them on.

Reserve this board for actually making things work. 159 posts in and this thread is just a huge pile of unhelpful, damaging crap.

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you guys do no Nokia does not official support the N900?
So if you aint happy with it...Fudge Off!

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Err, they do. They can't summarily drop my warranty. What's funny is I don't see anyone raising hell about all the handsets released by HTC and the like in the past year or so that are now totally unsupported.

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well. The kid might be to greedy...

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My mornings.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...nW6QVyrwJ5ojI=

My meetings.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...IEKAwSbW_mb7Y=

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It was low blow on expectations what people nowadays have and how fast we take something for granted. Some people have gone clusterfck. Just read some technology blogs from north america and comment sections. Generation "non-contributing zero".

Point here is that do not WASTE your personal time on giving feedback here to Nokia or trying to get some therapy hugs from fellow mates who have also ended up with same situation as you. Wrong place. Do not expect. When I was child I wished different kind of things. Sadly those days are over and today only thing i can count is just me and my personal experiences (thank god for consumer laws that give me right to send stuff back that doesnt work as expected)

Life is too short. Best feedback for company x is to leave their products on shelves next time and talk about experiences at least 6 friends (what was average on this?) and buy something else. I bet that after awhile they remember again that what they are suppose to do.

And thing what you are missing is probably ROUTING and more specifically AUTOMATIC ROUTING and probably voice navigation. Be careful with the terms. N900 already has navigation to some extent but what are the terms & standards that define navigation? I bet that we could have n+1 pages of conversation about this simple matter and still didn´t get to any resolution.

ps.
Never had navigation on smartphone that beats my tomtom in car :|

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Thanks for proving that most of those reading are arguing without understanding, this might be a problem with centers of explaination, but it is not to be solved here anyway
i am not complaining, let me simplify it to you in a way you might understand...
when someone like you post such superficial comment
i have to reply and explain , am not obliged, but you can take as if you dont really like people act smart and think they are not biaced such comment of yours is a pure example of non sense useless comments that is only a trial to attract attention to your kind care about these forums as if you are a guard?
believe me peopleare much smarter now so if you dont really find it useful, go somewhere else and post, it is simple

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Actually the analogy would be true if daddy Nokia said you weren't going receive the good stuff yet you still hope it comes.Which is exactly what happened.

Like I said before, feel free to express disapointment, but it seems rather odd to complain that what you expected dudn't come when Nokia said your not getting it.

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If Nokia isn't tracking the posts here, they are really dumb. Good point, they probably AREN'T tracking the posts here.

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This is a very good and respectable way of thinking
in the aggressive market competition, every manufacturer is supposed to track the echo of any update or plan at the level of users rather than the level of meetings halls.

For those keep saying GO TO NOKIA , GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.........
NO
it is one of the places that we talk and exchange whatever you like to name it, and if they are smart they are supposed know that people are talking somewhere.
I believe that we are providing them a very very non-paid useful help that would cost them a fortune, can you imagine how much it would cost them to collect data about feedbacks and ideas and more important what users think of thier competitors?

Plz stop attacking the post and try to turn it into useful one, stop trying to attract attention to you and direct it to options that we really need.

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As almost everyone here, after Flashing my n900 with the last update, I did not notice any major changes,,,

However, the speed has increased as well as the battery life.

So, if some people here are worried about getting more speed, I higly recommend you to add the transitions.ini file to the theme you want and try it...

I used on the PR 1.2 update and it was fast, now is incredibily faster!!

That is the only feature that shows off!!!

Also, could someone please let me know how to install or use the QT 4.7?? :confused:

Thank you guys!!

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Is it a really hard concept to understand????? The phone was missing features. Why are people expecting said missing features to be added in an update????

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I have no beef in saying Nokia SHOULD have put such features in the phone to begin with. We have no argument there. What I keep pointing out and what some fail to see is that it didn't have it in the first place, therefore why expect it in an update when Nokia promised no such thing?

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Easy now, we don't want you to be running out of question marks, you never know when you need a question asked.

The reason why we expected this to be true is because devices similar in features and cost have been updated by similar companies with similar goals. With so much competition, one expects a company to try and please the crowd, or, at least, maintain the level.

And to hell with new features, after all, it's a platform not a crutch. They should provide people with the means to develop their own software. Instead, the SDK is late, incomplete, documents missing, source is closed. Support for developers limited.

This is what I expected from Nokia. Developer support. I had Symbian before and seen programs record phone, dump, blacklist, extend contacts, record audio and video, download and install, manipulate images and video, have Office features, all on a 8 YO OS, like Symbian 60, on a 200 MHz ARM with a joystick in the middle.

When I saw a full QWERTY, full touchscreen, a 600MHz (then 1000) and 256 RAM, I thought, "hey, I got a laptop! I can run everything I want". Turns out it's almost impossible to re-implement features that were available years ago on dumber, lesser phones.

Nokia sold out their name. They glued their name to some hardware, thinking we'd swallow and we did.

I would have NEVER, EVER thought that I'd be unable to rename the label on a phone number, so I;d know not to call people at home. I'd NEVER assumed that if a 3rd party tool can implement video ringtones and customize the incoming call screen on S60 I'd be unable to get that on N900.

Frankly, there were never "new features". This is a regression from what we call a phone and because it had Nokia glued to it nobody questioned it.

And mhamza, please, spare me the OrangeBoxisms. You can't polish a turd. If all replies to an idea you put forward are hollow and not constructive then either your post or the people you talk to are unable to do any better. In both cases, stop.

It would also help if you don't open your post with a visible salvo of superiority complex and insults. If you think most people here argue without understanding, keep in mind the door is free for all members. Surely if they can't understand a simple sentence, your place is not among the Cro-Magnons. Instead, you choose to capitalize sentences, thinking bigger letters have more weight.

Oh one more thing, I think you should drink some bleach. It's good for you, I'm sure it says so in some of those medical books, doctor. Heck, if you take it upon yourself to preach half understood marketing ideas to people with degrees in marketing, I think that I should be dispensing you medical advice from my half baked understanding of medicine.

Bleach is good for you.

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True enough, but atleast I could see already from the beginning that N900 is more of a proof of concept than something Nokia is actually going to spend effort in. Especially when Meego came around it was clear that Maemo got dropped like a hot potato. As such it's quite useless to hope much from Nokia anymore regarding N900, they won't be adding new features on it.

Personally Nokia handled the whole thing very poorly all the way from the start. Hell, N900 is advertised still as a phone instead of a proof-of-concept mobile minicomputer, and thus people expect the same features as phones of similar price-range.

That said, I bought my own N900 knowing full-well that Maemo is dead-end and Nokia is going to Meego, and knew most of the limitations of it and thus I knew what to expect and I have been perfectly happy with it. And I still am.

In short: people who bought N900 didn't research at all what they were buying, and Nokia advertised N900 wrong. Mistakes in both directions means casualties.

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Although I absolutely agree, I can't help feeling like I have to say this:

He also has the right to remain silent.

DAMMIT! I couldn't help it! :)

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*Facepalm*

Oh dear. You haven´t been long here (neither have I), but at least one thing what I have learned is that never ever use jump to conclusion mat. It makes you look like and assclown :|

Some of user here are Nokia employees. One of them Quim Qil has said IIRC (do not have citation right now) that please use Nokia care and Nokia conversations for feedback. Also this topic what we are discussing here has been discussed many many many times here and if you look Talk Faq ->rules from right side menu you got this:
http://talk.maemo.org/faq.php?faq=vb...q_tmorulestext
Also these rules have undergone long discussion. So for freaking sake please oh please! First paragraph there:

"talk.maemo.org is not operated by Nokia and is a community forum, so be aware that posts and topics specifically addressed to Nokia may not be seen by Nokia. Such threads or posts are allowed, but are subject to closure or deletion at moderators' discretion. To directly comment, complain or suggest to Nokia, please visit the official Nokia forums: Nokia Europe, and Nokia USA."

Is it too hard?No hard feelings but what´s wrong with people?

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Did Nokia promise you anything of what you expected?

This is similar to what i said

Can you at least check how long a call did take? Can anyone of those talking about promises do that on his N900?



Agree

I didn't say ALL REPLIES, alot other than yours are very respectable, other are true turd

Dont take it too personal, if you faced any problem understanding anything just say it direct and don't feel embarrassed, we all learn

Regardless the Bleach thing, you try to be funny but it is not working, go read a good book about marketing and come back to me

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What you and many others fail to see is that the N900 is not "the next model" in a series of high-end Nokia phones. It is the very first model in a series of non-phone devices that has some minimal phone functionality.

Comparing S60 to Maemo 5 would seem like - well, yes, regressions, as you said. Lots and lots of features missing.

But that's just not what it is. What you do is like comparing the very first camera-phones to a high-end professional camera of those days. Yes, there were "regressions" then compared to a real camera, but that's not what you'd call it... it was the beginning of a new functionality. That how I see telephony on Maemo devices.

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N900 is :
* as the name suggests, an N-series device
* as the number suggests, the next evolution is the tablet line, a high end device line.

Am I to assume that an N-series phone (advertised as such) would be a huge regression from 4-5 YO N-series device?

Yes it's experimental and I can live with it having ringing bugs in Oct 2009. I feel cheated when it has ringing issue in Oct 2010. Maybe if it were some odd OS, requiring monolithic updates, like proprietary firmware. But an open system, with live repos and file-level update capability? There is no technical limitation, no cost overhead. It's simply a case of screw'em.

[QUOTE=benny1967;854768]Comparing S60 to Maemo 5 would seem like - well, yes, regressions, as you said. Lots and lots of features missing.[QUOTE]

You forget, I am comparing 2003 Symbian to 2010 Maemo. Aditionally, they didn't start from scratch. Debian for ARM probably already runs on N900, most manufacturers provide open drivers.

It just feels like very little is accomplished. 100 bugs, some cosmetic, some integration from upstream in 3 months.

It feels like it's a device supported by a student.

It's like comparing an old 1.3 MPx camera to a new line of 12 MPx and finding out exposure is broken.

Look, it's not like it's a hidden feature. The phone stuttered audio in calls. It stuttered audio on browse. Became unusable with widgets.

Surely they knew that, released it anyway, and then ignored complaints for a year.

And frankly, not allowing multi-device support for your next generation, ultra versatile MeeGo OS is like Microsoft requiring i7 cores for W7.

Besides, considering that they lost many chains like PC Suite compatibility, proprietary backup, backwards compatibility.

They used massive portions of code from other projects. They have upstream fixes. They have user submitten patches yet they leave me hanging for months.

Yes I feel that's inexcusable.

@mhamza: Here's my reply to you conforming with my previous suggestion:

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i have to say thank you nokia ! i had a battery lifetime of 5 hours (using it a lot). now it makes 1 whole day (still using it a lot). that was what i expected !!

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Now am glad we are talking reasonable and on a respectable mental discussion lever

yes i am so happy with the new speed and the battery life and thanks a lot to Nokia, when we are disappointed for not having what we expected doesn't mean that we hate all of it
it is like saying "oh i wish they did so......"

so thanks to Nokia, but, i need more to struggle with other competitors

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Some comments on the OP are harsh, most firmware updates come with something new as well as bug fixes, but once again the comments and tags written by fanbois continue to support crap and slag off anyone that dares go against the sacred and mighty Nokia. (cue sound effects of choirs and angels and dramatic pause) "Ooooh... Nokia."

I really couldn't honestly tell you if anything has improved after PR1.3. Battery life, eh? Mine still lasts the same with light use, no improvement. Media player still stutters if I reply to a text while playing music, I can't get ANY ring tone to work for SMS and it now has given up and just vibrates. I had custom rings tones installed but that wouldn't select any Mp3, instead just defaulted to whatever was set, I uninstalled that and now the default ringtones won't ring half the time as the phone app can't be bothered. The device for detecting which way the phone is balanced plays havoc with both internet and phone use, throwing it to landscape and portrait without me moving my hand. The N900 simply can't multitask beyond the basic definition of the word. All the missing features are still missing, tracker-index still chews 80+% of my CPU and and looking at my battery graph I am still losing ten percent of my battery for each half an hour of using the 'freoffice' word editor to simply read a document..

The only thing improved with 1.3 is the amount of abuse people get from the community in saying that it was pants and not worth it.

On a happier not, I would say unlike some unfortunate people I had no issues whatsoever in updating using the normal wi-fi and download route. So that was a good thing, at least I don't have to reflash or anything.


ROFLOL ha ha ha

Yeah good luck with that.

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Not everyone is disappointed. Atleast I ain't disappointed in the least.

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But you can roll it in glitter... ;)

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can anyone tell me about the trackers? is it fixed?

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You are correct, it is the next evolution of the tablet line. N700, 800, 810, 900. None of those were phones. None of them had a GSM radio. They were strictly "pocket computers".

As a tablet, the N900 is in fact a pretty nice advance over the previous versions. It is more pocketable, has a better user interface, faster CPU, more memory, more flash, a pretty good camera, VOIP, etc.

Plus it can be used as a phone. So for someone like myself who is coming from the N800 rather than from some smartphone the N900 looks pretty good. I get all my tablet stuff that allows me to leave my laptop home in a lot of circumstances. Plus it can now make and receive phone calls so I don't have to carry a separate phone.

I think that was what the OP was trying to get at. If you think of the N900 as another smartphone, you may well be disappointed. If you think of it as an Internet Tablet with a phone bolted on, then you will probably be pretty happy with it.

It seems clear to me that the N900 was never intended to be like a Blackberry where there are a bazillion phone-features. And I did not buy it with that idea in mind, I bought it because I liked my N800 and thought the N900 would be an improvement.

The problem seems to be that some people bought it with the idea in their head that it was a Blackberry or something and now they are upset and come here to yell at the rest of us as if we are somehow supposed to be disappointed like they are.

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We are not yelling at anybody, no body is responsible for others to be disappointed at their own expectation.

Good for you that you felt upgraded, but it is obvious that you mixed between the idea of buying N900 at the very beginning and expecting some changes on the run
i am Happy with my N900 as a Tablet and as a Phone, but,
what is the problem to expect more pleasure in being able to have a detailed log with call duration?
whats wrong with expecting a turn by turn navigation!
whats wrong with expecting a 3G video call
and all those expectations while am smiling and thanking Nokia for giving me the chance to hold this amazing extraordinary non-blackberry gadget!!
again it is difference between Accept and Expect
they can go hand by hand with no offend

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I just paid £500 for a new Dell laptop, and it seem that's not going to have turn by turn navigation at any point either. BOILS MY P!SS IT DOES!

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Exactly
this shows how it is anybody's right to expect and disappoint
some are reasonable like expecting adding advanced phone options as long as you are providing a phone option to whatever tool, and avoid that feeling of Oh thank God we have a phone now on a tablet, because simply this is old option already in other companies, so if you accept to be left behind under the title of acceptance to whatever you get!! it is your right too

and here is example of how superficial and non sense expectations might be in the above quoted text, yet i wont ever attack him, it is his capabilities to think that his dell might have navigation, for whatever reason, he is newbie in notebook, he cannot understand the difference, and might be fooled by someone and sold it to him as a phone, but we cannot attack him
dear i feel sorry for your loss and don't worry wait for the dell updates might include whatever you dream of be patient

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I could think of my car as a stereo with a car bolted to it and the sound is pretty neat. This does not excuse the car from suddenly veering to the left if I play the stereo at the same time.

We aren't talking about advanced telephony here. I didn't say conference, conversation bridging, video call, even MMS. We are talking about a phone, bolted or not, that stutters in the middle of a call, fails to ring, can't take USSD (mandatory for many operators), has no Cell Broadcast and in many circumstances isn't just unwieldly, but downright unusable.

Bolted or not, if it hangs midcall on speaker and I can't press the red button and everybody hears my call it's below standard.

Plus, forget the phone. Is it a decent device one that can't play audio and browse the simplest of pages at the same time? Does it not imply that a Linux tablet with said specs can run such load with no issues? Lesser phones do.

I expect such issues to be resolved, in less than a year. It is not unreasonable. Feel free to add an argument against it.

And no I won't think of it as a tablet that makes calls. That may be a good trick to sleep better, but it's still wrong. Heck, if I think f it as a carrot, it's the best carrot ever.

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Actually, it was a total joke. Why on earth would I expect that the laptop I bought, without a navigation program, would have one added on at a later date.

The fact that you thought I was totally reasonable in what i posted makes it very clear that

a) You want the moon on a stick

or

b) you are a troll

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Oh really it was a joke?!
noooo you are trying to hide your embarrassment of what u posted before, it is ok
you dont have to feel that bad we all do some mistakes might even be in public, like you did, the point is to learn not be embarrased and feel bad and try even to hide it telling that it is a joke and so
relax dear friend we are not judging you here and we might laugh for a sec. and then forget the whole issue about your floating Dell
and don't think i am making fun at you.
wait for the updates and i am sure if you persist on your dream you'll find your notebook coming back home alone navigating
and don't you ever feel embarrased fo your dreams no matter might sound Silly, i mean the dreams.

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Exactly, if they added a phone, then it has to be up to EXPECTED standards that match the device itself, am i supposed to accept a fancy expensive car, with all technology advances and distance detectors and touch screen soundsystem that playes old ordinary tapes only!!!

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Careful: A moderator might notice your demeaning "assclown" remark and rebuke you!

I'm joking, I'm sure the moderators could care less. Now, if you were on another side of the issue, it might be a different story.

I worked for a major corporation for many years, and I can tell you for sure that I monitored all sites where the products we sold were discussed. Any company that doesn't do that is dumb.

What's wrong with you? Why don't you understand that? Don't let people think you're an assclown!

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You can expect anything you want. Feel free. But Nokia never promised those things, did they? So why do you expect them?

Besides that, you do have some of the things you expect if you really want them. For example, you can get turn-by-turn navigation if you want it. It isn't as if Nokia is preventing you, but you not only expect it, you apparently expect it for free too. You would never expect that of a PC or Netbook.

My point was that if you look at the history of the device and how it came to be it seems clear that the creators of it thought of it more as a sort of Netbook than as a Phone. A really small portable PC type device where you could install any software you want and not be restricted by what the device vendor provided. In that world, if a free app doesn't do what you want, you go find one that does, or make one yourself.

Ultimately, if those things you expect were really super important to you, then you should have bought a device that had them. Expecting non-promised features to appear for free later on isn't being realistic. Complaining about that here does no one any good.

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Yet mine does not suffer from stuttering in calls or failing to ring. It does now support USSD (and even before there was an app), it does have conference calling (yes, I have used it) and video calling (just not the way you want it), and MMS (through an app).

So of all those terrible complaints, only one seems to actually be a real complaint. Either Nokia or a third party has resolved them for you. And yet you are abandoned and unsupported and mad at them all.

Just FYI, I know people who have Android phones who suffer from issues too. Phones that hang for seconds at a time for instance. I think that is an almost unavoidable consequence of letting the user install any random thing on the device.

And if the device provides multitasking, it is also providing more ways for the user to shoot himself in the foot. Restricting you in that way is one reason that older smartphones don't suffer from such issues as much.

But hey, it is more fun to yell how much Nokia sucks.

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Maybe you should buy a car that won't let you drive and listen to the stereo at the same time. That way such things will never happen.

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im not dissapointed my n900 at all
it is awesome and still running pr1.2 with all the various community fixes and apps

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So you ignored totally link to talk maemo rules?
Whole point of this forum is totally something different than giving straight feedback to Nokia. Trying to give it here is just not effective and it´s regarded as noise. Trying to make argument against tmo rules by trying to point out that for company like Nokia it´s stupid to ignore random user output makes arguer this lovely clown that everybody loves.

Any company that blindly monitors some enthusiastic users community is dumb. Only way to dig up meaningless information is by different ways and the most important way that management uses is the questionnaires. Also questionnaires do not give accurate feedback if the mass is not critical. Things are not simple as they might look like (This might be surprise to people who tend to think that blogs what they watch are right about mind-share and trends) Never trust anyone or anything until you get hard figures and numbers.

So I would advise people to put their rage to bugzilla voting and bug reporting. Better ways of giving feedback would be Nokia conversations, Nokia care, Nokia dicsussions, own blog, own facebook, own twitter or all combined.