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Joseph.skb 2010-11-26 13:26
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shockgiga (Post 883755)
thing is. i didnt mind spending 550usd thinking that it would bring me the same satisfaction like what my past Nseries handhelds gave me.
now im just sad that im stuck with this one for a long time coz it will deppreciate a lot if i sell it and i'll end up adding another $200 at the least to change handsets.
Why the regret? Did you know you can download lots of cool applications here and make the N900 more fun and exciting? Check out the thread on What are the "must have" (top, best, most useful) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41905

The N900 has a great Carl Zeiss 5Mp camera (a little poor in low light), but better than most phones in it's class. 32Gb memory, good sound and whole list of other capabilities. Explore it! Enjoy it!

shockgiga 2010-11-26 13:43
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph.skb (Post 883764)
Why the regret? Did you know you can download lots of cool applications here and make the N900 more fun and exciting? Check out the thread on What are the "must have" (top, best, most useful) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41905

The N900 has a great Carl Zeiss 5Mp camera (a little poor in low light), but better than most phones in it's class. 32Gb memory, good sound and whole list of other capabilities. Explore it! Enjoy it!
thanks for the link. i'll give it a go. i apologize for the rants, i was just expecting more spoonfed features for the price i guess.

Joseph.skb 2010-11-26 14:10
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shockgiga (Post 883773)
thanks for the link. i'll give it a go. i apologize for the rants, i was just expecting more spoonfed features for the price i guess.
No prob, you can get lots of application here, Ovi store or through the N900 Application Manager > Download

Come back here for recommendations, support and to have a good laugh at some discussions.

ossipena 2010-11-26 15:30
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
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Originally Posted by shockgiga (Post 883706)
some normal people like me, we actually rely on ads for a lasting impression.
that is why normal people get screwed with the ads.

if some functionality cannot been found in ads, and you think it is in par to other components, slap yourself into face and say out loud: "stupid"

that will probably save you a lot of money

TomJ 2010-11-26 16:07
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shockgiga (Post 883706)
my point was there wasn't any trace of xterm usage and any other geeky functionality on the ad like modding. and for some normal people like me, we actually rely on ads for a lasting impression.
So it does more than they told you about in the ads? Result!

cheve 2010-11-26 16:43
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
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Originally Posted by lunat (Post 883278)
whaaaat? seems a lot companies do what you say is impossible. sure: you do get the phone like others together with a contract for "free" or with some amount "paid back" if you choose the n900 together with a contract.

who says you have to lock it down? that's nonsense really! it's actually the opposite way round: the iphone as a locked down phone is limited to few companies. for that you can only get it with contracts of a limited number of providers. the n900 you get free with a contract of most major tecos.

I think you really miss the point. In my area, it costs almost the same money as if I would join one of those regular plan(where the tecos would throw in a phone for 'free') to get the data/voice service that I want with the unlock N900(or any other unlock phone); so how many typical consumer(as suggested in the OP) would really go out of their way to do it? That is the main reason why N900 'fails'.

cheve 2010-11-26 18:13
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lunat (Post 883325)
maybe you should go somewhere else ...
others don't have your problems.

EDIT: i would certainly not recommend your shop ...
...
fyi, until recently, at where I live there are 4 major tele companies where they ALL offer similar 'free'-phone plan; so it does not really matter which local/retail shop that you would go to other than you may have different selection of phones. For iphone or other new and shinny phone, you would still need to pay a lump sum of $100 upfront for the joy of such ownership.

jjx 2010-11-26 20:02
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph.skb (Post 883764)
The N900 has a great Carl Zeiss 5Mp camera (a little poor in low light), but better than most phones in it's class. 32Gb memory, good sound and whole list of other capabilities. Explore it! Enjoy it!
Check out the BlessN900 camera app (from Maemo.org) and try all the settings. I found it improved the low-light quality enormously, taking clear pictures that look like normal light levels, in a darkly lit environment. Much better than even my dedicated camera, it was a lovely surprise.

railroadmaster 2010-11-26 22:54
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Here are my thoughts on why the n900 failed. When the n900 launched it was 650 dollars when one could buy an Archos 5 and install sde (special developer editon firmware) and a smartq v5 for less money and you would have just as much hackability and openness, you could also buy a UMPC like the Viliv n5/s5 or the Umid m1/m2 for the same price. The n900's screen is only 3.5inches, that would perfectly fine if Nokia was making a mainstream smartphone but they weren't making a smartphone, the Nokia Internet Tablets were designed to be Nokia's answer to Archos, SmartQ, Viliv, and the rest of China, 3.5inches doesn't make a MID. Also the thing had smartphone functions, what but this thing is two handed like a MID and it lacks basic phone functions like mms? The n900 didn't have 4 row keyboard or 4.1inch screen like the n810 and there are many who like the n810 form factor so that kills a very large chunk of potential customers. The n900 was the typical lets cram 1,000 functions in one device and not try to make all of those functions work well (Nokia does that a lot), the n810 was the exact opposite that. What Nokia should have done with the n900 is a make a MID or a mainstream smartphone rather than trying to make a device that is both (Dell on the other hand was successful at creating a device that was both phone and MID with the Streak). My thoughts.

Wikiwide 2010-11-26 23:13
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shockgiga (Post 883706)
my point was there wasn't any trace of xterm usage and any other geeky functionality on the ad like modding. and for some normal people like me, we actually rely on ads for a lasting impression.
Don't watch advertisements on television. Use AdBlocker on the Internet.

Wikiwide 2010-11-26 23:39
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 884084)
Here are my thoughts on why the n900 failed. When the n900 launched it was 650 dollars when one could buy an Archos 5 and install sde (special developer editon firmware) and a smartq v5 for less money and you would have just as much hackability and openness, you could also buy a UMPC like the Viliv n5/s5 or the Umid m1/m2 for the same price. The n900's screen is only 3.5inches, that would perfectly fine if Nokia was making a mainstream smartphone but they weren't making a smartphone, the Nokia Internet Tablets were designed to be Nokia's answer to Archos, SmartQ, Viliv, and the rest of China, 3.5inches doesn't make a MID. Also the thing had smartphone functions, what but this thing is two handed like a MID and it lacks basic phone functions like mms? The n900 didn't have 4 row keyboard or 4.1inch screen like the n810 and there are many who like the n810 form factor so that kills a very large chunk of potential customers. The n900 was the typical lets cram 1,000 functions in one device and not try to make all of those functions work well (Nokia does that a lot), the n810 was the exact opposite that. What Nokia should have done with the n900 is a make a MID or a mainstream smartphone rather than trying to make a device that is both (Dell on the other hand was successful at creating a device that was both phone and MID with the Streak). My thoughts.

Dell Steak has too large screen, probably no proximity sensor, no FM radio (wait, there is FM radio receiver inside, but you need to hack into it), no stylus (capacitive screen), no large internal memory (1.63 GB).

And I understand that Android is said to be easy to root, but when terminal is called emulator, it doesn't sound right.

railroadmaster 2010-11-26 23:46
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 884114)
Dell Steak has too large screen, probably no proximity sensor, no FM radio (wait, there is FM radio receiver inside, but you need to hack into it), no stylus (capacitive screen), no large internal memory (1.63 GB).

And I understand that Android is said to be easy to root, but when terminal is called emulator, it doesn't sound right.
I wasn't comparing the Streak to n900, all I said it that Dell was successful on hardware level and Nokia was not. The Dell Streak screen is the same size as most MIDS and pmp's, most phones don't have an FM radio, most phones only have 512mb of rom compared to 2gb (dell streak), most phones have capacitive screens, and Meego is being ported to the Dell Streak.

railroadmaster 2010-11-27 00:01
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 884114)
Dell Steak has too large screen, probably no proximity sensor, no FM radio (wait, there is FM radio receiver inside, but you need to hack into it), no stylus (capacitive screen), no large internal memory (1.63 GB).

And I understand that Android is said to be easy to root, but when terminal is called emulator, it doesn't sound right.
All I was trying to say is that Nokia tried to make the n900 both a phone and MID, but the n900 from both a hardware and software failed. If you couldn't tell Nokia realized that why do think the n8 is designed the way it is .

trungttr 2010-11-27 00:09
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
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Originally Posted by WereCatf (Post 883358)
Such a lame thread.

First of all, N900 did actually succeed pretty well in regards to their target audience: geeks and hardware enthusiasts.

Secondly, general populace was never the target audience and as such it was never optimized or designed with such audience in mind. Thus it's fairly obvious it would fail to appease to them.

Third, it was made clear from the get-go that N900 is more of an intermediary step and thus it would lack several features. The plan was to learn from N900 and whatever the community comes up with and use that experience in the making of a device actually aimed for more general usecases.

It's really simple and there is absolutely no point in even arguing about it. It wasn't aimed for Joe Sixpacks and thus Joe Sixpacks weren't really interested in it, and that's good IMHO. There's plenty of phones to suit such users, and while such phones may be inferior in our eyes the whole point of a phone is to suit its owner's needs, not to please all the rest.

EDIT: Fixed typo.
what the hell.. didn't nokia want to sell this phone to an consumer? what about all the commercials.. when i bought this phone, i didn't know it wasen't intendent for a regular joe.. like me. the commercials didn't say i needed to be a tech guy.. didn't say i was a test rabbit so they could develop better phones.. no one did tell me that i lacked intermidiate functions.. certainly not nokia.. all the commercials told me that this was the best phone ever.. i could do everything.. well.. it can't..

Wikiwide 2010-11-27 00:12
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trungttr (Post 884126)
what the hell.. didn't nokia want to sell this phone to an consumer? what about all the commercials.. when i bought this phone, i didn't know it wasen't intendent for a regular joe.. like me. the commercials didn't say i needed to be a tech guy.. didn't say i was a test rabbit so they could develop better phones.. no one did tell me that i lacked intermidiate functions.. certainly not nokia.. all the commercials told me that this was the best phone ever.. i could do everything.. well.. it can't..
What you can't do on N900?
Ask a question, and somebody will answer (most likely).

Joseph.skb 2010-11-27 02:18
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trungttr (Post 884126)
what the hell.. didn't nokia want to sell this phone to an consumer? what about all the commercials.. when i bought this phone, i didn't know it wasen't intendent for a regular joe.. like me. the commercials didn't say i needed to be a tech guy.. didn't say i was a test rabbit so they could develop better phones.. no one did tell me that i lacked intermidiate functions.. certainly not nokia.. all the commercials told me that this was the best phone ever.. i could do everything.. well.. it can't..
Trungttr, I'm a regular phone user. I stay clear on all the dev stuff, x-terminal mumbo jumbo you find in these threads because I don't do programming, but the N900 is still working great for me. Just download the regular applications - it's less painful than installing/uninstalling programs on a PC, and works like charm almost 100% of the time!

Joseph.skb 2010-11-27 02:26
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
We are probably wasting time here because the question was not clearly defined. Failed on consumer market based on what? Sales numbers? Market penetration? User acceptance? :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 884084)
Here are my thoughts on why the n900 failed. When the n900 launched it was 650 dollars when one could buy an Archos 5 and install sde (special developer editon firmware) and a smartq v5 for less money and you would have just as much hackability and openness, you could also buy a UMPC like the Viliv n5/s5 or the Umid m1/m2 for the same price. The n900's screen is only 3.5inches, that would perfectly fine if Nokia was making a mainstream smartphone but they weren't making a smartphone, the Nokia Internet Tablets were designed to be Nokia's answer to Archos, SmartQ, Viliv, and the rest of China, 3.5inches doesn't make a MID. Also the thing had smartphone functions, what but this thing is two handed like a MID and it lacks basic phone functions like mms? The n900 didn't have 4 row keyboard or 4.1inch screen like the n810 and there are many who like the n810 form factor so that kills a very large chunk of potential customers. The n900 was the typical lets cram 1,000 functions in one device and not try to make all of those functions work well (Nokia does that a lot), the n810 was the exact opposite that. What Nokia should have done with the n900 is a make a MID or a mainstream smartphone rather than trying to make a device that is both (Dell on the other hand was successful at creating a device that was both phone and MID with the Streak). My thoughts.
Looks like you are comparing a lot of form factor - which is really subjective. Again, let me re-quote some reviews from tech sources:

Cnet's editor ratings 3.5/5.0 (very good)
Average user rating 4.0/5.0
Quote:
Recommendation: While it has yet to reach its full potential, the Nokia N900 is a powerful mobile device with excellent browsing capabilities and vast customization options. However, its unintuitive interface and other limitations make this a smartphone for tech enthusiasts and early adopters only.
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/...-33770010.html

Stuff says:
Quote:
Speed + Performance.The Nokia N900 is one of the most powerful phones on the planet. It's a computer in your pocket that allows you to communicate in every way imaginable.
http://n900.stuff.tv/

T3 recommendation:
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With a customisable interface, great multimedia features and capable browser, the N900 is far better than any Nokia handset we’ve seen in along time. In terms of browsing and sheer multitasking capability, it’s also superior to other smartphone rivals.
http://www.t3.com/reviews/phones/mob...ia-n900-review

Crashdamage 2010-11-27 03:48
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph.skb (Post 884161)
We are probably wasting time here because the question was not clearly defined. Failed on consumer market based on what? Sales numbers? Market penetration? User acceptance?
Right. No one can say for a fact - other than Nokia, since only they know what they really expected and what actual sales and customer feedback were - whether the N900 was a failure. Everything we say here is just subjective and speculation.

Even so, let me make some points. To me the facts say that the N900 was not a failure by any reasonable measure.
It works well for most users' purposes.
It was in short supply for months so sales must have exceeded projections.
It showed that a real, full-stack root-enabled Linux distro-powered pocket computer could be let loose on the public with at least reasonable success.

If the N900 (along with the 770 and 800-810 before it) had showed Maemo to be a failure, there would be no MeeGo and Nokia would certainly not be betting the future of their high-end business on it. That they are seems to be a clear indication that Nokia was at the very least fairly happy with the results from the Maemo experiment.

So someone explain to me how the N900 failed...other than it didn't outsell Android or the iPhone.

Frappacino 2010-11-28 04:42
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
... easy - because Nokia is not willing to spend $$$ to support it

in a corporate environment, thats the bottom line - you can spin any type of subjective measure you want, but at the end of the day you just look at the resources devoted by Nokia to support the N900, the answer is clear as to how NOKIA views the n900.

- We STILL do NOT have navigation that is free for other Nokia phones
- There will be NO official support for Meego (I dont believe the multitouch BS - yea right)
- Nokia is NOT willing to pay $$$ to update flash on n900.
- N900 in the Ovi store - need I say more ?

If the N900 was a commercial success, then $$$ will be devoted for support and communicate with the userbase to keep them happy to make sure they stay with Nokia.

Instead what did we get ? utter silence, half based excuses and missed deadlines... behavior consistent with them wanting to cut the n900 loose, avoid $$$ liability and sweep it under the carpet. Many users are pissed off and have sworn off the Nokia brand.

You can spin these points all you want, but it tells me all I need to know about how NOKIA sees the N900...

ps- the n900 is an absolute great device, but on the issue as to how Nokia views the n900 and by extension how commercially successful the n900 was, it is quite clear.

Joseph.skb 2010-11-28 10:18
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
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Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 884777)
Instead what did we get ? utter silence, half based excuses and missed deadlines... behavior consistent with them wanting to cut the n900 loose, avoid $$$ liability and sweep it under the carpet. Many users are pissed off and have sworn off the Nokia brand.
I'm curious...did Nokia respond to other model's 'continuous development' after it was released to the general market? The N900 is my 4th Nokia, and I did not enjoy any special support for the previous models. Did I miss something? :confused:

kureyon 2010-11-28 12:18
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
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Originally Posted by Joseph.skb (Post 884882)
I'm curious...did Nokia respond to other model's 'continuous development' after it was released to the general market?
The top selling models gets more updates. Eg the N95 had lots more updates/bugfixes than the E70. I thought it was bad when they dropped support for the E70 in just under 1 year - until the N900 came along and support for that was dropped even quicker!

Crashdamage 2010-11-28 12:49
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 884777)
...the answer is clear as to how NOKIA views the n900...and by extension how commercially successful the n900 was, it is quite clear.
Yeah, Nokia is really ticked off that the N900/Maemo project was such an utter failure. So much so that they bet the future of the company on MeeGo -- the direct offspring of Maemo - and made the N900 the reference device for MeeGo handset development. Clearly they think the N900/Maemo is crap and want to pretend it never happened. And those major OS updates we've gotten were just Nokia's wiley attempts to fool us into thinking they actually were supporting the device.

I'm bent because Nokia hasn't announced support for flash 11.0 or MeeGo 3.0 on the N900. What are they doing??

lunat 2010-11-28 17:14
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by on3st4b (Post 883617)
ps : " free" phones from providers are not so " free " , how can it be free when u make a 24 - 36 mounth contract ( thats 2 - 3 years ) with a provider and pay mounthly fees !!!
just to give an idea , i have pre paid card ( from wind ) i have 1500 min talk time 1500 sms ( for wind same provider usage ) and 1.5GB data per mounth FOR FREE , i never paid 1 sent ( well i bought the sim for 5 $ ) , THATS FREE , not 20-50 $ contract per mounth + call + data .
yes, there you right. its the contract you pay for. so it is not completely for free: no device is. but /if/ you do a contract, you pay for that contract. if you want you get some hardware on top of it. that other guy said, that was not possible with the n900 like it is with other devices. reality proves him wrong. it's just like with other devices. you pay for the contract and you get a device as "bait", if you want so, to do the contract.

and yes: you are also correct that there are regional differences as to which degree it is available. there are even some networks the n900 does not work with. please i didn't argue against that and didn't say it is available everywhere.

but all that has nothing to do with, like the other stated, that it cannot be given for "free" as "bait" for a contract ... that they do(e.g. make a vodafone contract and get among others also a n900 an top, or make a o2 contract and get among others a n900 on top. ).

EDIT: and this is in contrary to the iphone e.g. which was locked to some supported providers. so you couldn't use it as bait for a contract if the provider was not supported(can't use the phone with the provider for it was locked to only a few). that was an issue when the iphone came up a couple of years ago.

ossipena 2010-11-28 17:30
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trungttr (Post 884126)
what the hell.. didn't nokia want to sell this phone to an consumer? what about all the commercials.. when i bought this phone, i didn't know it wasen't intendent for a regular joe.. like me. the commercials didn't say i needed to be a tech guy.. didn't say i was a test rabbit so they could develop better phones.. no one did tell me that i lacked intermidiate functions.. certainly not nokia.. all the commercials told me that this was the best phone ever.. i could do everything.. well.. it can't..
this has already been covered here. yes n900 wasn't for average consumer and no, you should not be naive with ads.

I haven't seen such commercial that implies n900 being "the best phone ever", care to share a link to such ad?

e: I quess you didn't mean this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxiOKKF721U
btw this is probably the best ad (engadget wrote an article about it if I remember correctly) when talking about advertisement that reveals a real nature of a device.

snuski 2010-11-28 17:47
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
simple, why it failed cause there are less intelligent people in the world maybie?

Joseph.skb 2010-11-28 23:47
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crashdamage (Post 884945)
Yeah, Nokia is really ticked off that the N900/Maemo project was such an utter failure. So much so that they bet the future of the company on MeeGo -- the direct offspring of Maemo - and made the N900 the reference device for MeeGo handset development. Clearly they think the N900/Maemo is crap and want to pretend it never happened. And those major OS updates we've gotten were just Nokia's wiley attempts to fool us into thinking they actually were supporting the device.

I'm bent because Nokia hasn't announced support for flash 11.0 or MeeGo 3.0 on the N900. What are they doing??
Maybe I don't understand... But I'm pretty sure no PC/Laptop manufacturer would design their new models based on older OS when there's a newer one out there. That's how things worked, and that how it'll always work right? If Nokia designed the next generation models based on Maemo (when there's Meego out there), that device would have been a complete failure from the start!

Before Meego, Nokia folks may have had high hopes for Maemo (N900) in all it's potential, who knows? I still think the N900 did NOT fail on consumer market. It served a lot of people here.

ysss 2010-11-30 08:16
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
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Originally Posted by snuski (Post 885105)
simple, why it failed cause there are less intelligent people in the world maybie?
Rrrriigggghhht.

If only any of the following traits can be directly linked to one's intelligence:

- Being well versed in *nix.
- An infinite affinity toward FOSS.
- Using an uncommon, non popular platform.
- Being the parties getting the short end of a stick in a business dealing (customer vs vendor relationship).

Nope, I don't see the direct links even in this one-dimensional race that seems to be in everyone's mind here.

ysss 2010-12-01 15:36
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
An interesting article by J Carmack about developing on iOS and Android, mobile gaming, etc:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/11/post-8.ars

Quote:
JS: With Android, you guys had said last year that you were testing out Android, and doing some spot checking...

JC: It wasn't actually last year. It was couple of months ago. I've actually got the Android dev kit installed on a few platforms down here. The official word here is that we are definitely going to get some games compiled on the Android platform, but we are not yet committed to selling something on the Marketplace. Because I'm honestly still a little scared of the support burden and the effort that it's going to take for our products, which are very graphics-intensive.

The iOS platform has really been a pleasure to work on compared to all of the... half of the reason for us ditching the old feature phones was that it was so much more pleasant to develop for iOS. And I fear that we would be slipping back into some of that quagmire on the Android side of things. But there's no doubt that the installed user base is huge, and is getting larger all the time. So it's something that we'll have to keep an eye on. But it's not yet clear whether we're going to have this Rage project available in the Android Marketplace or not.

JS: OK. So you could say that Apple's platform is more console-esque, I suppose.

JC: Yes. The HD version of Rage is 1.4GB installed, and all the world geometry is using 2-bit PowerVR texture compression. If we went to one of the other platforms that's not PowerVR-based, we'd be stuck with a 4-bit texture compression format, and that pushes the size over 2GB. And the Android Marketplace doesn't even let you download more than 20 or 30MB, and you have to end up setting up your own server and doing your own transfer for all of that. Dealing with the user interface of managing space... there's a lot of things that happen automagically for us on iOS that we'll have to deal with particularly on the Android space. And that's not a lot of work that's going to be huge heaps of fun to do. It's going to be dreary, tedious work that I would certainly push on somebody else personally, but I'm not sure that even as a company it's something that we want to be involved in.

Even in the old days of the feature phone world, we always had EA Mobile or JAMDAT to build the 300 or 400 SKUs that they had for all the worldwide feature phone splits that we had from our four base versions. And we may yet wind up partnering with somebody else to do that level of broad support, but that's a little less satisfying when we're doing something that's pushing the limit graphically, because you don't have a second-tier company port your stuff to other graphics architectures and expect it to remain cutting-edge.

volt 2010-12-01 16:03
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
I object to the statement that the N900 failed in hardware. It's the best gift box on the market, considering hardware features. How many other XVID phones on the market can send SMS text, song info or potentially car navigation info to a non-bluetooth enabled car stereo display? Not too many. How many other wireless network enabled phones on the market has video output? Competition isn't that great. (Yet)

This phone is the mostest, bestest piece of hardware EVAR. And it's black. Let's not underestimate the power of black.

On the other side, anyone who both claims that this phone wasn't marketed at regular consumers and that those who saw the ads and were influenced by them are idiots, clearly is one him- or herself. And needs a thorough spanking. That's apologism at it's very worst. I object.

I edited this post cause I were mixing eggs and baskets.

HangLoose 2010-12-01 16:31
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 886931)
An interesting article by J Carmack about developing on iOS and Android, mobile gaming, etc:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/11/post-8.ars
Sorry man but how is this related to N900 failing in the consumer market? Maybe I jumped on the middle of the moving train but I see no reference whatsoever to N900/Nokia. N900 Pre-dated the whole caboodle of "Qt as platform" and "MeeGo is da future".

Something in Nokia must really have ticked you off. :P Did they fire you? Or stole your lunch?

I know... They sold the N900 and now all of these posts "iPhone x N900" in TMO pissed you off. :P

anthonie 2010-12-01 17:31
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 885098)
e: I quess you didn't mean this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxiOKKF721U
btw this is probably the best ad (engadget wrote an article about it if I remember correctly) when talking about advertisement that reveals a real nature of a device.
Thanks for sharing. That is one entertaining commercial, and I don't say that very often, as a person who lives without a television.

I would be interested in the engadget article as well, but I could not find anything. Care to share the link to that as well?

ysss 2010-12-01 17:38
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
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Originally Posted by HangLoose (Post 886981)
Sorry man but how is this related to N900 failing in the consumer market? Maybe I jumped on the middle of the moving train but I see no reference whatsoever to N900/Nokia. N900 Pre-dated the whole caboodle of "Qt as platform" and "MeeGo is da future".
<ignored the personal attacks>

I think it's pretty obvious that to succeed in the current smartphone\tablet\pocketable computer market that you have to have a very active and thriving developer community and marketplace.

If you're not familiar with id software and John Carmack, please do look him up in Wikipedia et al.

I've found his remarks about iOS vs Android's development+market+distribution side to be very interesting and relevant to the issue at hand.

HangLoose 2010-12-01 20:52
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 887035)
<ignored the personal attacks>
I was not trying in any manner to attack you, sorry if it sounded as if I did.

I was trying to funny since you are a guy with 3000+ posts here and sometimes you come pretty rough on Nokia but still hanging around in a Nokia centric place. Must be tough for the heart :D And you do have great comments, when not ranting. :P

And I am familiar with id software of course but since then I just think the world moved on from id software, for better/worse to an EA one, and they have not moved together. On the same instance Nokia is trying very hard, and failing in some instances, to create this "ecosystem" dont you think?

Again, I am just trying to squeeze some info out of you. Dont take it as if I am attacking you please. :)

slender 2010-12-01 20:56
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
ysss,
Interesting stuff but maybe new thread about this. And what is your point here?

9000 2010-12-02 11:05
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HangLoose (Post 887133)
I was trying to funny since you are a guy with 3000+ posts here and sometimes you come pretty rough on Nokia but still hanging around in a Nokia centric place. Must be tough for the heart :D And you do have great comments, when not ranting. :P
Probably because iPhone community does not have that many listeners to rant with. ;)

ysss 2010-12-02 21:25
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
@guys: I find it amusing (and ironic) that I have to explain the relevance of content creation and distribution system to a smartphone's success in consumer market, just a mere few posts after someone proclaimed that "To Linux is to be Intelligent" :D

@HangLoose: You mean, I'm 'ranting' (trolling, lolling, etc) whenever I have something negative to say about Nokia.... and my remarks would be considered 'great' whenever they're 'neutral' or 'positive'? ;)


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