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abill_uk 2011-02-11 04:06

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Gerbickery is this thread in need of some re-juvenile generation or something? or do you need me to start an argument.

bandora 2011-02-11 04:12

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
lol abill_uk, where's your sense of humor!? :S

gerbick 2011-02-11 04:14

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 941441)
Gerbickery is this thread in need of some re-juvenile generation or something? or do you need me to start an argument.

Ah, you remember me. Love you too darling.

abill_uk 2011-02-11 04:29

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Sorry Bandora and bless gerbericky hehehe i still have my humour is just i got the dammmm flu so give me a few days and i will pick up again... no offence made or intended to you 2 rotters ... wink.

Joseph.skb 2011-02-11 05:59

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 941428)
Accept the N900 for what it is even if it does not have whatever going for it, it is what we own and it is what we will carry on to own.

This community is the answer to ALL problems and eventual Meego migration.

STOP the un-needed whining and the useless talk as it is really old hat now.

I personally felt the N900 did everything the box said it would. The community helped made it so much more and better. So what's the point in kicking yourself for those things other newer phones can do - but not the N900? You should already know that in the first place?

timwatt 2011-02-11 06:03

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
whatever... I am no troll no, n900 hater, I don't need pointless fart apps. But the n900 is missing some basic functions. Bugzilla turned out to be a place to give the community the idea it was open development, no tangible improvements have been made that make the n900 a better tool since I bought it at launch. Give me productivity tools, Nokia? do you wonder where things went wrong, I can tell you it happened right here. Meamo, so close only to be dropped, loads of valuable feedback only to be tagged as wontfix because lazy contractors didn't want to make work for themselves. Nokia can still pick up where they left off all the gold is still in Bugzilla, most of it marked as wontfix. The n900 hater is a frustrated customer discovering that the real light at the end of the tunnel was turned off by Nokia. don't get confused by thinking they just want more fart apps, the n900 has almost everything except some of the most basic functions you have come to expect from the standard S40 Nokia phones.

Just think if the n900 was actual perfect we could all stop innovating now.

I get frustrated when the n900 community thinks the phone is perfect because they don't value the things I think are valuable, like all my bugzila input - things I could do on my s40 phone like search and Task descriptions, cant be done on the n900. call it apps call it improvement, market success = value to everyone, and yes i agree the n900 has everything i ever wanted from a phone, except it is missing a lot of what i thought was standard.

ysss 2011-02-11 07:53

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
In light of the MS <3 Nokia news....

....one can take the 'maemo haters' phenomenon as some very strong signs that Nokia (as a whole) was failing.

danramos 2011-02-11 22:42

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by timwatt (Post 941477)
whatever... I am no troll no, n900 hater, I don't need pointless fart apps. But the n900 is missing some basic functions. Bugzilla turned out to be a place to give the community the idea it was open development, no tangible improvements have been made that make the n900 a better tool since I bought it at launch. Give me productivity tools, Nokia? do you wonder where things went wrong, I can tell you it happened right here. Meamo, so close only to be dropped, loads of valuable feedback only to be tagged as wontfix because lazy contractors didn't want to make work for themselves. Nokia can still pick up where they left off all the gold is still in Bugzilla, most of it marked as wontfix. The n900 hater is a frustrated customer discovering that the real light at the end of the tunnel was turned off by Nokia. don't get confused by thinking they just want more fart apps, the n900 has almost everything except some of the most basic functions you have come to expect from the standard S40 Nokia phones.

Just think if the n900 was actual perfect we could all stop innovating now.

I get frustrated when the n900 community thinks the phone is perfect because they don't value the things I think are valuable, like all my bugzila input - things I could do on my s40 phone like search and Task descriptions, cant be done on the n900. call it apps call it improvement, market success = value to everyone, and yes i agree the n900 has everything i ever wanted from a phone, except it is missing a lot of what i thought was standard.

My God, man. You've hit it on the head. Brilliant! I mean genuinely, exceptionally intelligent. You've summarized what I think was EXACTLY what began my long, tortured lesson in learning the worthlessness of Nokia's brand. When I'd bought my N800, I truly saw a beautiful future unfolding and a company that was FINALLY investing in open-source. Then, little by little, I watched the WONTFIXES and the FIXED IN FREMANTLE pour on and on and then began to realize that none of these things could actually be fixed by the community. Then it dawned on me, "Heyyyyyy...this isn't open-source." And that's when I began to learn about OPEN-CORE software and the threats and dangers. I had already known about it--made famous by Tivo--but I didn't fully feel its effects until I owned an N800 and watched the ignored bug reports and INCREASINGLY MORECLOSED development process hide behind the moniker of being open-sourced. I think that Nokia's dishonesty, atop of the issues I just mentioned themselves, is what has turned an otherwise beautiful, SEEMINGLY unwalled garden into a reality of hidden fences and locked gates behind hedges... and anybody that didn't manage to leave in time is now watching it all burn to ashes. The Maemo meditation garden has been burning for a while already. I'm fearing the MeeGo side may go now, too. (Lest you forget that MeeGo is huge on QT and now Nokia seems to be making motions that do not instill confidence in QT lately.)

-sigh- What a waste of a potentially beautiful garden.

danramos 2011-02-11 22:52

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Oh right.. nearly forgot to mention the significance of the time that Nokia came out to tell us all how the open-source crowd should learn the value of closed-source. :) Precious. Do you feel it now? Do you feel the value of closed-source now that you can't maintain, update and fix the problems with your device drivers and Nokia's applications (you know, the ones you can't uninstall because the various parts of the system depend on them) on the N900?

I won't even bring up the time Nokia tried to insist that OGG wasn't going to be supported because it was illegal and a patent landmine. I giggle far too much during that recollection. Oh Nokia, you were adorable sometimes.

Creamy Goodness 2011-02-11 23:00

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Yeah and they wouldn't fix the email widget to display inbox subjects with nokia messaging for "legal reasons" either, even though other symbian phones do the exact same thing. I won't bring that up. Bastards. I think they tagged everything I voted on WONTFIX.

marxian 2011-02-11 23:01

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
If you don't like a product, the answer is to sell it (or not to buy) and purchase an alternative. There is no need to repeatedly remind the rest of us why you choose to sell/not to buy.

Example: I purchased, and later sold, a HTC Desire. I did not, at any time, inform other Android users of my decision ad infinitum. Instead, I spent my time here, discussing the device that I (still) enjoy using. I do not think that the N900 is perfect, but I do think that it's the best device out there for my needs atm.

When I move to another platform, I will do so quietly and will, from that point onwards, spend my time discussing that platform in the appropriate places. I will not waste time here *****ing about my reasons for making the move.

http://www.sfportal.hu/wp-content/up...prime-575.jpeg

danramos 2011-02-11 23:13

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by marxian (Post 943357)
If you don't like a product, the answer is to sell it (or not to buy) and purchase an alternative. There is no need to repeatedly remind the rest of us why you choose to sell/not to buy.

Example: I purchased, and later sold, a HTC Desire. I did not, at any time, inform other Android users of my decision ad infinitum. Instead, I spent my time here, discussing the device that I (still) enjoy using. I do not think that the N900 is perfect, but I do think that it's the best device out there for my needs atm.

When I move to another platform, I will do so quietly and will, from that point onwards, spend my time discussing that platform in the appropriate places. I will not waste time here *****ing about my reasons for making the move.

http://www.sfportal.hu/wp-content/up...prime-575.jpeg

I think most of the people here (certainly the original Internet Tablet Talk people) bought into something more than a returnable piece of hardware. Perhaps you missed your calling as a cheerleader to the starving?

I can post funny cartoons too.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscart...es/mgrn63l.jpg

Larrikin 2011-02-12 06:09

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by marxian (Post 943357)
If you don't like a product, the answer is to sell it (or not to buy) and purchase an alternative. There is no need to repeatedly remind the rest of us why you choose to sell/not to buy.

Example: I purchased, and later sold, a HTC Desire. I did not, at any time, inform other Android users of my decision ad infinitum. Instead, I spent my time here, discussing the device that I (still) enjoy using. I do not think that the N900 is perfect, but I do think that it's the best device out there for my needs atm.

When I move to another platform, I will do so quietly and will, from that point onwards, spend my time discussing that platform in the appropriate places. I will not waste time here *****ing about my reasons for making the move.

http://www.sfportal.hu/wp-content/up...prime-575.jpeg

I can't wait to sell my N900, I haven't been complaining on the forums but I don't think its right for you to complain about people who voice their opinion against the device. I will make my voice heard but not purchasing another Nokia device and I'll make sure to not make the mistake of assuming basic phone functionality again. Some of it we got but even with mms, fmms isn't really an acceptable solution to someone who purchased the device at full price.

ndi 2011-02-15 13:32

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Ah, attached images and re-posting by full quote of 2 pages for 2 rows of text. The signs of the final stages of a dead thread syndrome. All it's missing is the buzzards.

abill_uk 2011-02-15 13:44

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larrikin (Post 943673)
I can't wait to sell my N900, I haven't been complaining on the forums but I don't think its right for you to complain about people who voice their opinion against the device. I will make my voice heard but not purchasing another Nokia device and I'll make sure to not make the mistake of assuming basic phone functionality again. Some of it we got but even with mms, fmms isn't really an acceptable solution to someone who purchased the device at full price.

What you expect from a Nokia driven forum and besides... i got my own probs like anyone else but hell i would never sell my N900 just cos it aint got Meego or Maemo at its best.

It is worth keeping even as an antique to remember the days of Nokia hell.

:p

ndi 2011-02-15 13:54

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Ah, there we go. :)

abill_uk 2011-02-15 14:13

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
And since when was confused spelt confuised????

Who said this thread is dead.... keep the excuses coming

danramos 2011-02-16 00:22

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 947037)
And since when was confused spelt confuised????

Who said this thread is dead.... keep the excuses coming

Spelled, not spelt. Come on, let's argue. :P

abill_uk 2011-02-16 01:08

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 947574)
Spelled, not spelt. Come on, let's argue. :P

:p Cannot argue with you , your one of the sain folk on here hahaha.

fahadj2003 2011-02-16 01:14

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
actually i cant say i love n900
battery is a real pissoff
plus i do own an iphone 4 and im REALLY glad i have an n900
cameras a bit sucky and less battery, yes, but otherwise, especially in terms of app
plus i prefer a proper keyboard and n900's virtual keyboard is better as well.. and alot of customization features on n900 are far more awesome then iphone and EVEN android as i use nitdroid and its, till now, not so impressive
i jus wish n900 had ebuddy..
bottom line, n900 is faarr awesome..

hawk 2011-02-16 05:28

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fahadj2003 (Post 947606)
i jus wish n900 had ebuddy..

Why do you need ebuddy? the n900 already support almost all major IM apps natively.

danramos 2011-02-16 06:13

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
eBuddy? Maybe he meant an iBuddy? A personal pal? A personal robot? A droid? An Android?

Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 947604)
Cannot argue with you , your one of the sain folk on here hahaha.

Careful--I already have an ego the size of a ssssssmaaall PLANET.

9000 2011-02-16 06:28

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Agree with above two posts, ebuddy is not as good as the telepathy-msn-pecan, IMHO.

danramos 2011-02-16 06:39

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 9000 (Post 947721)
Agree with above two posts, ebuddy is not as good as the telepathy-msn-pecan, IMHO.

You mean you agree with the posting two posts ago.. or that you agree with BOTH posts? :D

fahadj2003 2011-02-17 10:53

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk (Post 947697)
Why do you need ebuddy? the n900 already support almost all major IM apps natively.

actually its cheap
less data consuming
the builtin and the pidgin is more data intensive
plus the auto app update is a real pissoff too..

Funklord 2011-02-18 02:33

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Seriosly though, n900 isn't for r.etards, if you don't know what the difference is between using ubifs and ftl you probably shouldn't post here.
Go buy yourself an iphone or nintendo and be happy.

gerbick 2011-02-18 02:37

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
N900 isn't for for people that like support either, it seems.

Funklord 2011-02-18 03:05

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
do you mean support like asking an intelligent question and getting an answer?
or do you mean like sitting in a wheelchair and being spoonfed by a personal assistant?

gerbick 2011-02-18 03:07

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funklord (Post 949417)
do you mean support like asking an intelligent question and getting an answer?
or do you mean like sitting in a wheelchair and being spoonfed by a personal assistant?

I meant official support and continued updates of the OS via the manufacturer.

That's sorta important when the closed bits are in need of either updates or fixing.

The community can handle the rest.

Funklord 2011-02-18 03:11

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
It's back to good old "free software" support, the way it should be.
Paid support hasn't ever been very useful anyway.

Funklord 2011-02-18 03:19

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Hopefully, since elop is basically shutting down the whole department, a leak of source code (for the closed bits) *hint* *hint* will happen soon.
Not that it's truly necessary.. it's not like we didn't reverse most of winCE to get Linux on HTC.
But... yeah, it'd help save time.

gerbick 2011-02-18 03:21

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
You paid for support when you bought the phone basically - otherwise, it should have had a "as-is" sticker on it.

Regardless, you do know that there are very important bits of Maemo 5 that are closed source, Nokia hasn't released them and they are in potentially in need of repair in the near future and/or updates by other bits might disrupt the BME, et al

How do you support closed source software besides reverse engineering or intelligent engineering like some of the stuff Qwerty12 had done around the music player or root.

extendedping 2011-02-18 04:33

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Most Maemo haters are really just linux lovers who hate how Nokia treated the os.

danramos 2011-02-18 10:04

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by extendedping (Post 949448)
Most Maemo haters are really just linux lovers who hate how Nokia treated the os.

Truer words have never been written here in all these years.

ndi 2011-02-18 10:51

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funklord (Post 949391)
Seriosly though, n900 isn't for r.etards, if you don't know what the difference is between using ubifs and ftl you probably shouldn't post here.
Go buy yourself an iphone or nintendo and be happy.

Ja, Ja, herr Funk. Have a sheat on das chair.

My namen is Sigmund unt I'm here to help you. Vat you have there ist called ein shuperiority complex. Ja. Ja see, even smart-alek behinds like du and other peeple in here started somewhere and wee all asked simple questions in das forums before.

Was you think that only you is worth das air time is clearly either ein case of shuperiority or elitism. Also, since du is so eager to belittle other who may be older and smarter than du just because you know ah bit moore we recognize das complex sindrome of elitism-beratement-superiority-public, or, how vee call is in der business, der arseholism.

Vee hope du get to live in ein planet mit people just like du, were people on de street tell du are neing gut at wat they do best.

Sigmund out.

lemmyslender 2011-02-18 14:06

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
196 posts, for what was perhaps a legitimate question, seriously asked.

By my count most of the posts are really in defense of the N900, and why you can't hate it, and if you do, why you shouldn't use the N900 and should get an android/iphone instead.

There are even quite a few posts which are just fanboys trolling in what should have been a serious thread.

Clearly, there majority of people here (TMO) believe the N900 is beyond reproach. In other words, most of the folks here are more likely to jump in and defend the N900 rather than listen to reasonable arguments that to some people the N900 may have some flaws.

Therefore, I move to have the thread closed.

Jedibeeftrix 2011-02-18 14:30

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 934084)
I don't want to start an argument here or anything but I have noticed that many people who dislike the N900 was because of the "lack of apps" - now I can understand if they were only downloading from the Ovi Store (which I think we all can agree is a joke - it should be renamed to the Ovi Pum and Pop Store). But if you enable repos like maemo.org, -testing, -dev then there's more than enough Apps to choose from.

On my N900 for games I have; Angry Birds, Asphalt5, Jurassic Coaster 3D, Descent, DRIVER, SNES Emulator, Duke Nukem 3D, Giant Fighting Robots, Hexen 2, NES emulator, Jagged Alliance, Kroll, N64 Emulator, Need for Speed, Numpty Physics, Oregon Trail, PS2 Emulator (EDIT: Meant to saw PS1), Doom, Quake 2, Quake 3, Lamar Research Flight Simulators, Starcraft, Warcraft II, TuxRace, Wallenstein 3D (I left out the boring ones like chess)

I also have 2 dictionary applications, 2 translator applications, and as stellerium program for references.

As for graphics, I can view RAR photos, I have numerous excellent image editors (including GIMP), and even the pressure sensitive mypaint.

I have numerous navigation programs, and if I want to use Google maps I just go to the Google maps web site.

I find the camera to be great for a cell phone, and I also have 2 panoramic photo applications (one was free). With FCam it is very easy for me to adjust the camera settings.

Network options are ridiculous; VNC servers and (numerous) clients, Google Chrome, Firefox, Iceweasel, Macuco, Opera, Pidgin, 2 BitTorrent clients, the list can go on and on.

For office type applications I have K Office, Open Office, PFD editor and reader, AbiWord, Gnumeric for spreadsheets, I can't think of anything more I would need.

I have so many system info apps and other utilities it is crazy!

And on top of that I have DOSBox, BlueMaemo, and Debian LXDE? And if that's not enough I can dual boot into (admittedly) slower version of NITDroid.

I don't understand what more someone would want... can anyone explain?

the thing i hate most about my n900 is the arbitary manner in which an application will install............. or choose not to install.

On a bog standard PR 1.3 device why can i not expect Warmux to install perfectly, without coming up with some stupid error message regarding a missing SDL package?

This isn't a dig at warmux, as i believe it is depending on a package that correctly expects to be there.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...260#post942260

abill_uk 2011-02-18 14:42

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lemmyslender (Post 949751)
196 posts, for what was perhaps a legitimate question, seriously asked.

By my count most of the posts are really in defense of the N900, and why you can't hate it, and if you do, why you shouldn't use the N900 and should get an android/iphone instead.

There are even quite a few posts which are just fanboys trolling in what should have been a serious thread.

Clearly, there majority of people here (TMO) believe the N900 is beyond reproach. In other words, most of the folks here are more likely to jump in and defend the N900 rather than listen to reasonable arguments that to some people the N900 may have some flaws.

Therefore, I move to have the thread closed.

Well i think the N900 is a real piece of shite but i wouldnt sell it just to please Nokia and besides... Nokia made it that way !!!.

It has its flaws granted but i hate its OS really, not the device.

Funklord 2011-02-18 16:19

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 949618)
Ja, Ja, herr Funk. Have a sheat on das chair.

My namen is Sigmund unt I'm here to help you. Vat you have there ist called ein shuperiority complex. Ja. Ja see, even smart-alek behinds like du and other peeple in here started somewhere and wee all asked simple questions in das forums before.

Was you think that only you is worth das air time is clearly either ein case of shuperiority or elitism. Also, since du is so eager to belittle other who may be older and smarter than du just because you know ah bit moore we recognize das complex sindrome of elitism-beratement-superiority-public, or, how vee call is in der business, der arseholism.

Vee hope du get to live in ein planet mit people just like du, were people on de street tell du are neing gut at wat they do best.

Sigmund out.

Yes, bring in one of the silliest human inventions that has ever been passed as "science"
Put people in neat little boxes with names on them, based on vague understanding of a system that is innately too complex to be fully understood.

Sorry, your statements are all wrong; not everyone started out by spamming forums, most of us actually bothered to read the available literature before posting/asking anything.

Fact is, someone has to keep the sound to noise ratio down. Which is pretty bad here for a technical forum.
There are usually a majority of clever readers and posters, but it's always the bad posts that try to take most space.

Asking people to show some courtesy is not elitism.
But of course, from the point of view of the person being told off, they're being "bullied". so sad.

Gucky66 2011-02-19 19:42

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lemmyslender (Post 949751)
.

Therefore, I move to have the thread closed.


Yep, genoeg geluld... aka time to go on and do something constructive.

I agree with closing this thread.


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