Re: Nokia Plan B
 

I would suggest to try to push meego on not Nokia devices, but as more phones as possible. that's how android succeed. i would try to make htc to release at least one phone with meego as they don't have their own OS and they don't stick to any OS(they have android and WP7 phones)

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Actually almost everyone I know hates the sandboxing of data.If I want to read PDFs in different apps, why should I need to have copies of the same file in each app? Its stupid.

People only accept this from Apple, because of steve job's reality distortion field. Just like when iphone lacked multitasking, they said they didn't need it, after it got released, they called apple the most innovative company in the world. The same thing happened with video calling (which many smartphones did before this).

The exact same thing will happen again when apple creates an area for apps to share data, and it will be hailed as the holy grail of Apple's genius.

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So, no plan B anymore.

http://nokiaplanb.com/

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Every new OS has its + and -. Some of the - are features a current OS has. Some of those - can be put in later, some cannot be overcome easily. What marketing dept will do is zoom in on the + while mitigating (silencing, downplaying) the -. Journalists, critics, reviewers, and the buyers who have more than 2 braincells wish to get an accurate overview of the + and - to make possible an informed decision.

or some multi touch is irrelevant, for other MMS. For some multitasking is important, for other LTE. For some copy/paste, for other App Store with fart apps, yet for other Exchange.

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Plan b is over: http://nokiaplanb.com/2011/02/16/cal...uits/#comments

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YESS!! now it's the time, come on guys, other plans will surely work (a-z)

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Well, I guess we'll just have to have Nokia feel the love of Microsoft for a while. ;)

Good thing that there are other options for those of us that can't stomach it. As for me, I don't know yet what device I will buy/support next. I have a strong preference for Meego. So, I will see what comes out there first before jumping to something else.

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Given the context and all this 3 horse race business, I would say iOS and Android are the other 2 horses.

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Not quite, facepalm (or is it facetime?) is a video calling app that only works with other iphones, it's not compatible with 3g video calls. But yeah, all iphones' innovative new features were mostly already standard features on other phones. That's why MS decided to make WP7 the same way, every few months/years they could add a feature or two and declare with great fanfare that they are "innovating".

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I don't like Horses...
http://www.mockpaperscissors.com/blo...RLES-HORSE.jpg

I would prefer a penguin! http://kortmann.org/images/topics/topic_Linux.png

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It only works for apple, that same move will not work for microsoft. Since microsoft doesn't have the same cult following the messiah that is steve jobs.

Microsoft tried this with copy/paste on their WP7, they got insulted for it. When apple did it, their following would go "why do we need copy/paste for? not important".

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PlanA with WP7 is a disaster.
http://whtc.com/news/articles/2011/f...closed-system/

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Given how this forum treats Android and iOS - they shun them both - then I don't get your point.

I mean, sure... WP7 isn't the greatest thing out there. But as it stands, to compare it to other vilified OS's... surprises me. Thought you were doing the MeeGo/Maemo comparison, that would have explained your vitriol.

Almost paints iOS and Android in a positive light the way you've explained yourself.

Oh... at the time of this post, NOK is at 9.11 (+0.04).

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Is there a plan that includes firing Elop and appointing Juhani Risku in its place?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07...nifesto_risku/

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I really hoped there was but that article is old. I think Elop will get the boot eventually though when everyone else at Nokia realises what crap WP7 is.

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Plan A not exactly a hit with America's (US) biggest telecom either:

Gizmodo: Verizon CTO Doesn’t Need No Stinkin WP7

CNet: Microsoft's ecosystem is a tough sell to Verizon

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Not only over, but a hoax.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/16/n...ax-all-along/#

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Let's just hope the same can be said of Plan A, too! :)

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Oh no. That was the only thing keeping the stock from sinking even deepeeeeeeeeer.

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Steve Ballmer is a cancer within the technology world, curse you for saying linux a cancer. Linux has not been changing ever since how could it be a cancer?

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Can't say that I'm surprised this was a hoax. More surprising was how many people just jumped onto this.

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It goes to show how many people wanted it to be true. :(

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What this community wants doesn't seem to factor into what Nokia will do. Otherwise, Maemo and MeeGo would have been pushed further and harder.

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Unfortunately for us, and unfortunately for Nokia.

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elop said in an interview after being asked point blank if nokia's plan B was meego that their plan B was to make their plan A work.

I think it was the engadget interview that chris z (the only respectable reporter on the engadget staff imo) did during mwc

elop speaks like a very honest and intelligent man, also imo.

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Well yes, if you're the sort of person that for some reason needs to use multiple different pdf readers to read a single document then yes it could be annoying. In the broad sense it's usually not a problem.

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I am the sort of person that generates PDFs with one application, annotates them with another, and reads with a third.

Justifying ANY limitation of a system comes only from lack of imagination.

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Your own lack of imagination leads you to that conclusion.
The fact is plenty of users value the added security over lack of flexibility, which is of course the justification of these restrictions by the people who put them in place.

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Okay... I didn't know it was a hoax perpetuated by an iPhone owner.

Wow. Imagine getting duped by an owner of an OS that you all hate.

There's like 10 jokes in that somewhere.

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Wow, what a comeback, I am speechless.

@gerbick: The hoax telling us exactly what we like to hear (improbable as it was) made it as successful as it was.

I wouildn't be surprised if the iPhone bit was also added to have maximal impact :)

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also shows there r some ppl out there who knew nokia + microsoft is a dumb idea.

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Some of the posters around here are such suckers. Talk about a reality distortion field, sheesh.

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sucker: One who is easily deceived
If someone is a good liar does it still make all people believing them suckers? The only thing I find surprising is the amount of people around here constantly insulting each other. Take your thinly veiled insults somewhere else.

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Perhaps. But it also shows me that if MeeGo was finished, ahead of schedule or shown... hoaxes like that would not have been as believable or even able to be perpetuated.

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That will happen when it's so blindingly obvious why you indeed CAN justify the limitation of that system. In fact such a thing has been widely successful.

Note: I haven't said it's a better system, just that it's different - and very widely adopted.

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Why should it be annoying in the first place? There's really no reason for it to be, and the whole idea of it being "more secure" is stupid. Creating a shared space isn't exactly insecure, and IOS does allow that to some extent by allowing graphic apps to save to "album".

If I save a PDF file from the browser, the PDF file is now stuck inside the browser app, I cant use another app to access it. I would have to e-mail it to myself, or use some file transfer program to take it out and transfer it to the reader/annotation app.

Why the need to go through all those steps? It certainly isn't more "secure". its just stupid and annoying. I'm sure Apple will release an update with a shared data space sooner or later, and at that point you'll be one of the people going "OMG THIS IS SO AWESOME! APPLE IS GENIUS! HOW DID I EVER LIVE WITHOUT THIS FEATURE BEFORE!?"

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a hoax ? so it could work |?

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Of course it is, sharing data between applications means every application has access to all your data, that is inherently less secure than running applications sandboxed...that's about as obvious as it gets in terms of application security. Unrestricted access is ALWAYS less secure than restricted access.

Or dump the URL into the reader app.

No, that's incorrect. If all applications have access to all the data then one rogue application can compromise your data...security 101.

Again, i'm not saying it's a better solution, just different but given you are disputing the very fundamentals of security it appears you're just calling it 'stupid and annoying' because you don't like it.

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I'm not comparing the level of fanboism love/hate for the these three "horses", I am comparing their capabilities. And WP7 is certainly lame in comparison to the other two. Also saying it is lame is not vitriol, saying it is f*cking lame, that's vitriol :)

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Granted.

I just didn't know what you were comparing it to. I'm fresh off of 10 days of using WP7 and oddly enough, it's not half bad.

Too bad... it's only half good. MeeGo being finished would have stopped this move to WP7 by Elop. That's where it all went wrong in my opinion.

Oh... and the three horse thing, definitely not applicable in the North American market. RIM, iOS and Android are the big three here. WP7 will make it 4. But overseas, they're going to possibly try to make it a 3 horse race by killing off Symbian.

That's a risk I'd rather not take if I were Nokia. Hell... I sorta miss the days of the silent Nokia. The new stuff communicated hasn't exactly been the best for Nokia.