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Yet another Harmattan device rumour thread. :D Ok I reiterate my whishes once again:

1ghz single-core Armv7, TI Omap will do fine.
4" OLED
Hardware keyboard

That's it. If the first device will not have a hardware keyboard I really think Nokia should make another one with, like N8 and E7.

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i want it!

thats all what i have to say...

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Apparently my point wasn't clear. My point was that we are more likely to get a fully optimized experience from Android than we are from MeeGo.

Android is far from perfect but they have choice, they can choose from single core to dual core. They also have an OS that has proven marketshare and a customer base (which means they will have a future). MeeGo is still waiting to get to the starting blocks.

Nice and mature. Well, given that MeeGo is still unreleased, from my point of you are doing your share of "fantasizing" about how good MeeGo is or will become, so right back at ya buddy.

Great. It can be dual core and do all those things.

It hasn't left the house yet.

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04...kia_cuts_memo/

European 24 month warranty only applies to the device new, hardware wise as is.

So the 24 month warranty is for faulty hardware. Meego lights will be turned off June 2012.

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I would but have never been impressed with LG phone designs. Who knows what they'll produce in terms of SW.

The sad reality is that the N950 will likely have single core, not because Nokia thinks it is the right blend of performance / power usage but because Nokia management has no faith in MeeGo so they will only spend the minimum required to get the platform up and running. Maybe the only chance the N950 has to succeed is through software.

Hopefully the camera is at least decent like the N8.

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I'm not fantasising, talking about what would be best

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So am I, so what's the big deal?

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You're basing it on how Maemo is, I'm basing it on a starting from scratch project.

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I'm basing it on my experience with Nokia.

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Lot of memory, good display with low energy consumption, high capacity battery, good gpu with low energy consumption, good cpu with low energy consumption. That's my preference. Emphasis on low energy consumption and big part of that is optimized code.

Meaning that dual core would be nice but is it major/must-have to me? Nope. Nowdays when I read some smartphone conversations I feel like I'm in the middle of 3Dmark score nerd fest .

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This isn't new information zehjotkah is presenting. Nokia employees have been saying all along that (unlocked versions of) the Harmattan device will have a developer mode that allows for the flashing of the fully open version of MeeGo from MeeGo.com.

In doing so though, you'd be giving up the ability to install and use any applications that require DRM. Indications are that the Ovi Store will no longer be a viable source of software for you, and proprietary Nokia applications such as Ovi Maps will likely be off-limits also.

Plus, this trip is one way. Once you switch your Harmattan device into "developer mode" to install MeeGo.com Meego, there's no way of switching back into closed, proprietary software-loving, DRM mode.

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Or in other words, your experience is Nokia doesn't satisfy your needs. So why get another Nokia device?

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I want NFC support but if HW is from 2010 I guess it will not have :-(

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Not directly related to RM-680 but i'm not going to open new thread just for this.
Some not before seen Nokia phone in a trailer for movie called Real Steal.
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/37323/...l-trailer.html
http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=815

http://images.fonearena.com/blog/wp-...el-Nokiars.jpg

Like mentioned on Nokiagadgets the top bar got some Maemo feel on it.

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Well are u saying thats BAD :-D

Personally I dont mind if DRM apps will not work.

Real Linux users doesnt want to use that kind of crap anyway.

But I guess many here is comming from a world full of garbage apps and closed ****. Hint: WINDOWS!

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Well it sucks that it is not flashable to the Harmattan state. What if you just want to try out meego?

I am sure (hope) the community will find out a way to do it.

Since I bought the N900 and started reading this TMO I appreciated the open source community more and more. Now I always want a device with wich I can do whatever I want. Don't want to be a slave to the manufacturer. I pay for it and I want to decide what I am going to do with it.

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Professional development firms will be releasing their (paid) apps with drm. So yes, you could be missing out on quality apps sans drm.

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Reality? To be honest, neither you or me really know what the goal of them releasing the "N950" (or whatever they decide to call it), so making such comments are premature.

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Well so what? Same goes for Android and IOS if you root/jailbreak them?

You cant expect ANY company to release both and fully open device at the same time expect them to have closed apps on it. You have too choose.

"Open or closed" simple is that.

Thats how bussines works. Same goes for Android and IOS.

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I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying that if the information presented thus far turns out to be true, then switching to "developer mode" on a Harmattan devices will be a more lasting choice than we've had with Maemo devices.

Buy two!

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It looks like an N8 or E7 with Android photoshopped onto the screen to me.

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Top bar is way too fat.

Personally i think it's just a "movie phone" that wont be released for the consumers.

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N950 to launch next week....


http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/05/1...nch-next-week/

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That's quite a stretch of the imagination

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Article says that it will be a development model, damn! they have gotten a taste of free developers !!

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Beautiful. cant wait to buy two!!

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Woah, hang on. We knew that there would be a DRM-mode, and a non-DRM mode (for devices that haven't been locked by a carrier), but last I heard we would be able to switch between the two, maybe by reflashing. This is the first I've heard that the change is one-way only. Source?

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^^ probably a one way tunnel that UPS would be proud of ..

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It was a topic of hallway discussion at MeeGo Conference 2010. Several Nokia employees confirmed it. According to the Nokia employees, a device can never again be fully trusted once it leaves locked down, DRM protected mode, so "developer mode" was seen as a one way trip. I believe there was discussion of the news in a thread or two here.

If there's to be a developer Harmattan device followed by a consumer Harmattan device, I could imagine the second being the only one with a non-reversible developer mode switch. Or perhaps the developer device won't support DRM at all. It will be interesting to see what Nokia releases.

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okay, some good and bad news.
bad first:
I can't comment on any hardware details.

good:
the preinstalled version of Ovi Maps is exactly the same as the one found on Symbian devices.

edit: and to stop with some speculation:
who would be damaged if Elop really would want to make MeeGo look crappy?
It's only Nokia who would get a damaged brand image, because the end consumer won't distinct between MeeGo or Windows Phone (that doesn't mean that the UI is similar!), just because he doesn't care. he would just see a crappy Nokia phone - brand image damaged. so we can clearly say, that we won't see any crippled down crappy OS.

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hopefully with a new fancy qml ui...

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RM-680 has had long road and i'am at least very surprised it's still alive.
If true the whole RM-680 dev phone and the mass market "lankku" released later sounds a bit weird. Where is the RM-680 exactly needed? As the RM-680 is old as hell did they have 100 000 of them in storage and had to come up a away to sell them? :D

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I think you're right, zehjotkah, but allow me to play Devil's advocate a little.. :p What if Elop wanted a really crappy MeeGo device to be released? One that would be poorly reviewed, sell badly - why would he want that? Well wouldn't that make his decision to drop MeeGo for Windows Phone 7 look like a great decision?! Strengthen his reputation with investors, and give him more power in the boardroom?

A poor MeeGo handset would enable him to say "I told you so" and move full steam to MicroSoft. The released MeeGo device could be put to one side as just fulfilling a contractual obligation to Intel as part of the MeeGo partnership, on a limited volume run to keep costs down and keep it away from consumers.

Just saying :p It won't be long before we know for sure ;)

In any case Im really looking forward to hearing more about the device, after Elopocalypse isn't it heartening to have some good news from Nokia regarding MeeGo for a change? :) Last rumours were that it was dropped, it was based on 2009 technology anyway, plus there were only 2 men and their dog working on the UX. However MeeGo was supposed to be at the power end of the products, so hopefully we'll be pleasantly surprised when the spec sheet is unveiled :cool:

And hopefully the devs on here will be eligible and able to get their grubby hands on one through a developer device program/similar mechanism, so we can all benefit when the commercial device is released :)

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A great meego device puts him in a better bargaining position with MS.
There's a chance other manufacturers will use meego if the noka phones are a success. I think there's a lot at stake here for the future of meego.

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Again, SW vs HW are two different things. Give the HW the right performance and that addresses a multitude of SW problems.

True, but it is just a guess on my side based on their current stated position. I hope MeeGo succeeds and Nokia changes their tune.

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You dont care what Nokia will do ?

Hint for the clueless - who do you think PAYS for Maemo.Org and the repositories at the moment ? What do you think will happen to N900 "community support" if TMO forums and the code repositories went away ? The admins here have admitted of Nokia pulled the plug community support will be in BIG trouble as the code repos will not be easily replaceable.

The ecosystem for this new Nokia phone AFAIK does NOT exist yet. Who will pay for the infrastructure to support the community support ? Do you know that yet ? How do you know it can exist independently by itself ?

As with most "head in the clouds" idealists, the issue of who pays the $$$ and practical realities seem to have escaped your attention.

Duh.

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I'm getting a headache listening to all of your developer type speak.

I have a LG G2X now and it's very fast and I am very happy with how it performs on this thing called android and I'm watching guys making new roms that are faster than stock and they are also modding the crap out of it making it faster and better.
LG is coming out with some meego phones next month so lets see what that is all about
This N950 better be dual core and a gpu and a nice big screen and have flash or I'm not buying.

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the application is based on qt, yes. it's exactly the same as the one found in symbian. they haven't done an extra version for maemo.

he would simply decide that Nokia won't release a MeeGo device. there are no contracts between Nokia and Intel. Nokia is not forced to release that device. They release it because they think it's a great device (and I think so, too).
A poorly reviewed device won't help Elop, because the reputation of whole Nokia would suffer. For the end-consumer there is no difference between a Symbian-, maemo-, MeeGo- or Windows Phone-Nokia. It's us who know a lot about that and who care about that. 99% of the customers don't care. They just see the brand. In this hypothetical case a crappy Nokia device. This is the reason why the late 2010-maemo-Nokia device wasn't released - because it wasn't ready - for the clueless end-consumer.
Nokia want to get away from the "poorly-designed-UI-brand-image".
Nokias Harmattan device will be amazing. Different.

Source?
LG is interested in MeeGo, yes. But currently they're developing an IVI system.

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In my case am tempted to get SGS2 with its dualcore 1GB Ram, 4.3 super amoled+...

Like most of us I wish at ( least ) :

- 1.2 GHz single core, maybe 1.4 like some new android, can't remember wich. Dual A9 would be wondeful, but I doubt knowing Nokia.

- 4'' amoled wvga or fwvga (better), qhd would be wonderful again, but doubt again...

- A good gpu the one 'PowerVR 540' , better 543 model, wonderful...

- 4 rows HW Kb.

- Option to overclock, then we could get 1.8, maybe 2.0 GHz.

- Ram expected 1 GB for smooth multitask, 768 would be nice, but ...knowing Nokia would be 512. An idea, could be 512 + 1 GB virtual, awesome I think.

- HDMI feature and USB on the Go.

-It must feel like a upgrade from my since September, 2010 N900.

Sorry for the long list, but I am as excited as most here for this N9 950 and wishing these specs get trough REALLIFE .

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According to this: http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/11/ru...g-this-summer/

An advertising agency has been hired to do commercials for a Nokia N950 device with 4G and touchscreen (not a lot details but they were the only things stated), that launches this summer.