Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 

The basis of speculations involving Microsoft, Intel, et al have already been explained numerous times here and elsewhere. Many do indeed make good business sense. The inability of any person to recognize this changes nothing. It just tends to mean they are unfamiliar with or just unreceptive to dramatic changes going on. I shouldn't be surprised to see such kneejerk closed-mindedness but I guess I still am.

I am fully on board with people doubting or having differences of opinion. Not a problem there at all. My one sticking point has been that it's highly disingenous to make absolute statements about what "won't or can't happen"... especially by anyone outside the executive loops.

Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 

only reason microsoft to buy nokia it's if elop and werger get fired.

to prevent nokia going for android, Meego or other OS. since wp7 huge failure. nokia will be forced to join make or join another ecosystem

while elop is CEO and werger is nokia USA head. microsoft practically owns the company without paying much.

now, elop it's making sure wp7 have no competition, so it doesnt happen. abortion of symbian phone n8 , meego n9.

but of course he is desilusional if he thinks nokia wp7 phone gotta sale, especially in the US.

now, if wp7 fails, nokia have to look to other ecosystem since they killed symbiam, retaking meego would be a huge effort,

nokia have now no intenal OS development team other than Meego, that many got fired. symbian is on accenture.
such move was suicidal, werger said something worrying, they said if wp7 isnt a success it doesn't really matter anything they do after that.

maybe nokia will keep pushing wp7 even if fails?

Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 

Lol. Let's not get philosophical about absolutes. if anything my reasoning is in line what the companies are publicly saying. It's speculators like you that lead to stock price fluctuations.

Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 

And companies lie. As I noted before, I've witnessed it first-hand, when a former employer swore for a year they would not sell our division-- and when they finally confessed that they were, it emerged that they had been in talks with potential suitors for that entire year.

But I understand why. Large corporations have to be cagey about mergers and acquisitions. It's a tricky business. Even a "no comment" can be interpreted broadly.

So take every corporate denial with a big grain of salt. They might not be telling the truth. Doesn't mean Nokia or Microsoft or anyone else is definitely lying or misleading the public now-- just that it's possible.

And no, it isn't "speculators like me that lead to stock price fluctuations". You're thinking of influential speculators, especially those managing huge stock portfolios and dropping highly-charged rumors. I'm just a small time investor who holds a few shares of Nokia stock and has mixed feelings on any possible acquisition. My rational speculations impact nothing, just like your naive naysaying.

The stockholder in me would love to see Nokia bought, and soon... but I have more personal reasons to hope they aren't at all.

Still... saying "never" is silly. "LOL" all you like-- no sane person is so absolute about negatives.

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It's like when the team owner makes a 'statement of confidence' in his General Manager or coach. The GM or coach knows then he's toast.

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Fully disagree on the Atari part. But Nokia is known for cheap phones in the US outside of this group at TMO... no doubt.

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There's medications for that, too. :p

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We agree that only time will tell. I will bet that no acquisition in the next year or so. NOKIA has no product line at the moment that can make a dent in the US. You are obsessed about absolutes.

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I only referred to Nokia.

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Bold is my own emphasis... no is quite an absolute.

Wait. What?

Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 

Predictions bud. I am giving you my predictions.

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There's power in a brand name. And one that's been the top dog for 15 years, that's as long as some folks on this board can remember.

I'm a bit older, so brands like Atari, Coleco, Sinclair, Amiga, Pan Am all still ring well with me years and years later.

My point, discount Nokia as much as you wish, their name has worldwide recognition. You say cellphone in any other country, they invariably mean Nokia. The North American market is of course the oddity for the most part (more each day) to basically have relegated Nokia to cheap flip phones and candy bar phones that your grandmother still might own/use, but let's be honest. That's just here in the North American (and Japanese) market.

Outside of that, where the other 5+ billion folks live, Nokia is a strong brand.

Regardless, I get your point. Shame you don't get mine.

Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 

It is just a matter of time before Google start acting for real IMO:
http://sammyhub.com/2011/08/17/lee-k...ectronics-biz/

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I get your point!

Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 

lets speculate. If Nokia actually get bought by Microsoft. Can this in weeks? and happen before N9 even gets released :O

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I just you all might be interested in this:

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...-purchase.html

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Nope. Bet that EU will step in, slow things down on the Euro side, FTC will slow things down on the US side.

So... if it were to happen, it wouldn't happen before 2012 to be considered a fully done deal, imho.

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oh no not that symbian fanatic.

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Even if he's a Symbian fanatic, the article is interesting.

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Actually just the opposite.

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north america is weird.

they are the only country that prefers xbox over playstation or nintendo even though HUGE quality difference.

they go for cheap, low quality american hardware.

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Another interesting article: http://www.techi.com/2011/04/why-clo...-for-everyone/

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Actions around the sudden decision by HP to kill tablets and smartphones support one of my key points in the speculation here. To wit:

So, to bulletize:

• Rumors had circulated that HP would be shutting down some consumer product ops
• HP denied it all
• Today HP admitted the rumors were correct.

Sound familiar to anyone here?

Still think corporate heads always mean it when they deny an alleged business decision?

Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 

One could speculate that the skeleton staff kept on for Harmattan is just that, and will disolve around the same time the pull the pin on Maemo @ end 2012

....or

Meego still is their backup peice, and development, based on Swipe UI is going ahead a: for markets where they won't get WP penetration or b: in case of the big Flop (not the Canadian one, but the WP handset fail one), they still have a "differentiating" OS to run with in the smartphone sector.....

Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 

WebOS is Qt based, right?

It would be a shame to simply throw it away...

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One reason why Intel could be a possible buyer for webos, given that, with a rewrite for x86, it would give them a ready made UI layer for an Intel meego device