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khuong 2011-10-05 00:51

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Wow ebay already had couple of them listed at $915 - 950 range for 64gb version, that was way too much for a deprecated os phone imo.

gerbick 2011-10-05 01:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1102866)
My personal opinion: the N9 has just starting to ship in Denmark and Sweden. Other countries are coming. Beyond that, third parties might get the initiative to sell it in the open market of countries where Nokia is not handling the distribution directly.

I believe this will cover most if not all the spots that you see uncovered now.

International sales is not my field of experience but I can see how this (beautiful) proposal might become really difficult to execute, with small amounts of devices spread in different countries with different regulations, agreements, etc.

This is what the "open channel" caters for.

Huh? Not sure I understand at all what you're saying.

shallimus 2011-10-05 01:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1102950)
Huh? Not sure I understand at all what you're saying.

I interpreted it to mean that it may seem impossible now, but a combination of Nokia distribution and grey-market import may make it actually less difficult to find an N9 over the coming weeks, making co-operation of the kind now being discussed on this thread perhaps a little unnecessary and - relative to waiting things out - a little cumbersome.

...but that might not be it.

abill_uk 2011-10-05 01:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1102866)
My personal opinion: the N9 has just starting to ship in Denmark and Sweden. Other countries are coming. Beyond that, third parties might get the initiative to sell it in the open market of countries where Nokia is not handling the distribution directly.

I believe this will cover most if not all the spots that you see uncovered now.

International sales is not my field of experience but I can see how this (beautiful) proposal might become really difficult to execute, with small amounts of devices spread in different countries with different regulations, agreements, etc.

This is what the "open channel" caters for.

????????????? :confused:

gerbick 2011-10-05 01:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shallimus (Post 1102958)
...but that might not be it.

I tend to understand folks that are connected to marketing. Not in this case.

somedude 2011-10-05 02:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1102866)
My personal opinion: the N9 has just starting to ship in Denmark and Sweden. Other countries are coming. Beyond that, third parties might get the initiative to sell it in the open market of countries where Nokia is not handling the distribution directly.

I believe this will cover most if not all the spots that you see uncovered now.

International sales is not my field of experience but I can see how this (beautiful) proposal might become really difficult to execute, with small amounts of devices spread in different countries with different regulations, agreements, etc.

This is what the "open channel" caters for.

Any insider info that you are allowed to share on even if we do get an international version and some how happen to break the device nokia service center will be able to fix it with some charges or we simply would not get any kind of servicing support in USA? if you are not capable of answering this question would you know anyone who would be capable to answer this and if you can provide us their contact info?

danramos 2011-10-05 06:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uvatbc (Post 1102205)
Slowly but surely, Mr Elop's actions are forcing even a Nokia fanboi like me to give the **** up on Nokia and its smartphone strategy.

Android now has Qt. Google has bought Motorola. Maybe good devices will come from that direction.

In my 5 stages of grief, I have just hit acceptance: "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."

Ahhh! So maybe THAT'S what they meant by step 4 of 5 with the N900. Grief! So it really IS finally step 5 of 5 with the N9? :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1102614)
Correct me if i'm wrong, but AFAIK only CA, FL and MA have sales tax?

Uhhh.... Wow.. No. Heheheh.. no. :D Just... no. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_t..._United_States

qgil 2011-10-05 22:01

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Someone had asked whether Nokia could sell devices through a community device program to users in countries where Nokia is not having direct N9 distribution - or at least this is how I understood the question.

The answer I gave is no, Nokia can't do this but probably the potential users of this program will be able to buy an N9 through third parties anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by somedude (Post 1102985)
Any insider info that you are allowed to share on even if we do get an international version and some how happen to break the device nokia service center will be able to fix it with some charges or we simply would not get any kind of servicing support in USA? if you are not capable of answering this question would you know anyone who would be capable to answer this and if you can provide us their contact info?

Nokia has no plans of distribution of N9 in the USA. If a third party does then it's up to that third party to announce the availability and terms of the guarantee. Even if I'm not a sales person I don't think you will get any different answer from Nokia...

gerbick 2011-10-05 22:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1103654)
Someone had asked whether Nokia could sell devices through a community device program to users in countries where Nokia is not having direct N9 distribution - or at least this is how I understood the question.

The answer I gave is no, Nokia can't do this but probably the potential users of this program will be able to buy an N9 anyway.

Ok, now I understand.

Quote:

Nokia has no plans of distribution of N9 in the USA. If a third party does then it's up to that third party to announce the availability and terms of the guarantee. Even if I'm not a sales person I don't think you will get any different answer from Nokia...
Safe to assume that those third parties that have shown any interest will receive stock unless they do so in large numbers or via a separate party that will secure and ship to (say) Amazon and the like?

lma 2011-10-05 23:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by somedude (Post 1102985)
even if we do get an international version and some how happen to break the device nokia service center will be able to fix it with some charges or we simply would not get any kind of servicing support in USA?

That's easy to answer, just look at all the N900 owners with broken USB ports that get "offered" N8s substitutes instead of repair or replacement. And no, third-party distributors simply do not have the resources or know-how to repair broken devices, and the manufacturer won't be making many of them so don't count on availability of spares either.

Caveat emptor.

Hariainm 2011-10-06 00:03

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Please, please, is there any important person here, a person wich works at Nokia, who knows Nokia (may be Peter @ Maemo Marketing) who can bring us a final answer to the question:
-Are the Nokia N9 64Gb version avaliable in ALL three colors? (Black, Cyan & Magenta)

abill_uk 2011-10-06 00:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1103662)
Ok, now I understand.



Safe to assume that those third parties that have shown any interest will receive stock unless they do so in large numbers or via a separate party that will secure and ship to (say) Amazon and the like?

Gerbick you need to look at this mate.

http://negrielectronics.com/catalogs...vance&dir=desc

mikecomputing 2011-10-06 00:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1103699)
Please, please, is there any important person here, a person wich works at Nokia, who knows Nokia (may be Peter @ Maemo Marketing) who can bring us a final answer to the question:
-Are the Nokia N9 64Gb version avaliable in ALL three colors? (Black, Cyan & Magenta)

Nokia sweden has said only black... atleast for now...

gerbick 2011-10-06 01:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1103699)
Please, please, is there any important person here, a person wich works at Nokia, who knows Nokia (may be Peter @ Maemo Marketing) who can bring us a final answer to the question:
-Are the Nokia N9 64Gb version avaliable in ALL three colors? (Black, Cyan & Magenta)

64GB only in black. Later on, who knows.

vittoriob4 2011-10-06 02:04

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Ok, I stand by what I said before. I can bring few N9's from Poland, but not until Dec. Getting one for myself for sure and what I'm thinking, I could just let people know on here I have them. THen put them on ebay for safe transaction on both ends. I've been on ebay since 2000. How does that sound?

danramos 2011-10-06 04:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1103654)
Someone had asked whether Nokia could sell devices through a community device program to users in countries where Nokia is not having direct N9 distribution - or at least this is how I understood the question.

The answer I gave is no, Nokia can't do this but probably the potential users of this program will be able to buy an N9 through third parties anyway.

Nokia has no plans of distribution of N9 in the USA. If a third party does then it's up to that third party to announce the availability and terms of the guarantee. Even if I'm not a sales person I don't think you will get any different answer from Nokia...

TMO doesn't like this answer. Send it back and bring us a better one. ;)

eaglehelang 2011-10-06 15:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1103699)
Please, please, is there any important person here, a person wich works at Nokia, who knows Nokia (may be Peter @ Maemo Marketing) who can bring us a final answer to the question:
-Are the Nokia N9 64Gb version avaliable in ALL three colors? (Black, Cyan & Magenta)

Same in Asia, 64GB black only

Btw everyone, it's releasing tomm 7 October in quite a number of countries. So after this, you all should be able to source more contacts to get your N9. Asia is rather far to send the device to you, unless you really want one. The dealers dont ship out of my country
Cheaper than any European or Aussie price.
USD 665 for 64 GB, USD565 for the 16GB

gerbick 2011-10-06 15:43

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In the end, it's all come down to how well we network if we want to assist others in the majority of the locations that did not receive a version of the Nokia N9.

To date, I've only been given the 16gb price(s) via Nokia Mexico, not Telcel or any other carrier in Mexico. I'm not fully sure if those phones sold on other carriers will be SIM locked or not; however I suggest that being a question if you're looking to buy one from another region.

Also, it's starting to look like certain, if not all other languages that aren't meant for that region are going to cost extra. Such is the case for the Switzerland phones from what I've been reading. Not 100% confirmed, but if that is the case, that's the lowest thing I've seen a company do in a long time that's not named Microsoft - charging for additional languages is pretty damn low in my book.

As far as the non-answers in this thread, the long and short has come down to this - they can't do anything to assist, they won't do anything to assist, and feverishly looking for a Nokia N9 is not going to show Nokia or Stephen Elop that the demand exists, release it in that region.

I'm usually a patient person; however in this case I wasn't out there just for myself this time and it seems like Nokia has swallowed the Windows Phone 7 pill - upsetting to many, not so much to me since I already own a Dell Venue Pro - but it does complicate getting answers for this endeavor.

I'm still out for answers, I just know now that asking Nokia or any of their affiliates that might happen upon this thread have no interest or capability in helping people interested in this endeavor.

That's cool. I would continue with some harsh words, but there's no need to take any of it personal. Time tells the ultimate truth. Narrow, very narrow marketing and device deployment compounded with a very narrow acceptance might still have moments of brilliance, but it never lasts long... soon it too will fade away.

As of today, no confirmations than the aforesaid ones. Cyan is not slated for the first 45 days, if at all from what Nokia Mexico has in stock. 64gb is only in Black, alongside a 16gb version in Black. Magenta is only 16gb, same price.

No incentives for bulk purchases, as I'm not a reseller. But still pegging on how to accomplish that as well.

Still looking forward to a trip to MX City.

somedude 2011-10-06 16:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1103654)

Nokia has no plans of distribution of N9 in the USA. If a third party does then it's up to that third party to announce the availability and terms of the guarantee. Even if I'm not a sales person I don't think you will get any different answer from Nokia...

so from this post of yours we can conclude that even though we manage to get a device from third party, and break the device in future (not willingly ofcouse), nokia service center located in Alabama is straight up going to refuse service to us even though we are ready to pay for a repair.
since you didnot mention anything about you not being in position to answer the initial question, can we take your answer as an answer from Nokia USA in general.
thanks.

danramos 2011-10-06 18:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by somedude (Post 1104212)
so from this post of yours we can conclude that even though we manage to get a device from third party, and break the device in future (not willingly ofcouse), nokia service center located in Alabama is straight up going to refuse service to us even though we are ready to pay for a repair.
since you didnot mention anything about you not being in position to answer the initial question, can we take your answer as an answer from Nokia USA in general.
thanks.

Well, this might be something of an unfair posture for your question--that you would assume the Alabama service center would have anything to do with being ABLE to even fix an N9. If Nokia will not even SELL the device in the US, why would they service it within the US at all? It's not like they can be expected to stock spare units or parts.

Truth be told, I'm not at all interested in the N9 myself.. I still think it's a disappointment for lots of reasons on many levels, but I'm also particularly annoyed at the inept way it's been handled and the brand Nokia USED to have versus the increasingly tarnished brand they have today. It's no longer a place to be proud to work in--no longer a brand anyone wants. They've squandered away their opportunities. This like this just accelerate the rotting from the inside.

I sense that Nokia has become something of a shameful, tragic ship of a company with Captain DERPY at the helm hanging an albatross around his neck. These personal experiences, enumerated in this thread and others, just corroborates that sense.

dcastrog 2011-10-06 20:49

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well guys im going to visit Mexico city this saturday, i will go check the Nokia store and ask for n9. If they have it im planning to buy at least 3 devices with my money (god thank credit cards). I might find them or not, but if i do and you want me to buy you a device then be prepared to do a fast transaction. Most of banks do not open on Saturday but i think we can use paypal. Any money i get transfered will assure you a device (if they get released this weekend) if they get released i will buy it from you and ship it this monday. if they do not get released you can choose to get the money back or wait until it gets released. First in line serves first. So if you are interested send me an email and will see details.

gerbick 2011-10-06 21:30

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Upon picture(s), I have the money in my Paypal. Luck to you, but as far as I can tell, as of today the N9 is still not released.

Ask if English is included in the price(s) too, btw.

dcastrog 2011-10-06 21:38

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what do you mean with the English price? Will take pictures if they get released and show the interested. they are already releasing it tomorrow in mideast :)!! So i hope mexico is next.

gerbick 2011-10-06 21:40

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Nokia Mexico isn't sure if the English-US or even English-GB is included in the price of the phone.

Meaning it might cost extra to not read your phone in Espaņol.

danramos 2011-10-06 22:50

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UGH! Nothing's worse than spending all that money just to buy a cell phone that can only take pictures in Spanish!

warrentaye 2011-10-06 23:23

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What smartphone these days comes without multiple languages ?

uvatbc 2011-10-07 01:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by warrentaye (Post 1104430)
What smartphone these days comes without multiple languages ?

Android. The stock firmware for almost any Android phone and tablet has NO Indic fonts. I have had to root 2 Android devices I own and every other friends Android device to get Indic fonts on them.

Nokia phones on the other hand have always worked.
But.. "who cares about that old outdated dying company and OS? No one uses it anyway, right?... Right?"

Beep! Wrong.

danramos 2011-10-07 01:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uvatbc (Post 1104453)
Android. The stock firmware for almost any Android phone and tablet has NO Indic fonts. I have had to root 2 Android devices I own and every other friends Android device to get Indic fonts on them.

That's not entirely accurate. It depends on the handset and the region for which it's targeted/sold. Many (India-targeted models in particular) have that support already baked in at sale.

Here's a posting that summarizes it pretty well:
Quote:

Comment 47 by anil.kin...@gmail.com, Sep 29, 2011

To all those reading this thread... I agree that Android does not have support for Hindi (Devanagari) indic script for all the phones. However some manufacturers like Samsung, LG and Sony Ericsson are releasing their android versions with Devanagari support. But they are not providing support for all of their phone models. The phones that I have tested and provide good support for Devanagari are as follows:

1. Samsung Galaxy Ace GT-S5830 (Support exists from Froyo 2.2.1)
2. LG Optimus One LG-P500 (Support added from Gingerbread 2.3.3)
3. Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc (Support out of the box running Android 2.3)

This shows that there are some packages that need to be bundled in the android update. All these manufacturers are are taking base image of the Google release and customizing it region wise where the phone is going to be sold. This customization is similar to adding APN list of the cellular provider of that region.

Google has done a fantastic work on Indian language in GMail why can't they add this to their core?

Probably as per Google's strategy they give bare bone software to OEM partners and these partners (LG/Samsung etc) go and add region wise stuff. If Google includes all the languages under the sun, it may become bulky and not will get used hence leaving to the partners is better approach. But some OEM partners like HTC are not doing region wise build to make their life easier. HTC is putting the same software image for Europe and India and Asia.

Another reason why these partners don't customize all the phones - they have a target segment of customers. High end users/top business executives in India generally avoid using Hindi or local languages. Phones which are in low and mid range are mass market phones where usage of local language is more and if these people are targets then adding local language feature becomes important for company from marketing angle.
Quote:

Originally Posted by uvatbc (Post 1104453)
Nokia phones on the other hand have always worked.
But.. "who cares about that old outdated dying company and OS? No one uses it anyway, right?... Right?"

Fewer and fewer, statistically.

Quote:

Originally Posted by uvatbc (Post 1104453)
Beep! Wrong.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture.../BobBarker.png

uvatbc 2011-10-07 01:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1104462)
That's not entirely accurate. It depends on the handset and the region for which it's targeted/sold. Many (India-targeted models in particular) have that support already baked in at sale.

All it took was to switch one font file. One. Thats all I needed to get Unicode fonts. WTF was the manufacturer / Google thinking about when they could have just included a Unicode font file that supports everything?

And it's not like it's patented technology requiring costly licenses or additional software support. I used a freely (as in freedom) available font.

But I digress. Lets get back to the original thread topic: Nokia N9: Gimme!

ceroberts75 2011-10-07 03:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by somedude (Post 1104212)
so from this post of yours we can conclude that even though we manage to get a device from third party, and break the device in future (not willingly ofcouse), nokia service center located in Alabama is straight up going to refuse service to us even though we are ready to pay for a repair.
since you didnot mention anything about you not being in position to answer the initial question, can we take your answer as an answer from Nokia USA in general.
thanks.

they will not support it no matter what anyone tells you.


these devices have origin codes and the esn/imei is slated to specific countries....they can track it. so for alabama...unless you live right there, you need to go online to check your warranty.

i would suggest making the purchase, getting a reciept and then getting a squaretrade warranty. if it breaks, no questions...if they cannot fix it, you get your money back.

had to do that with my first e90 i bought on ebay for 1200....got it all back because the mic was broken!

qgil 2011-10-07 19:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by somedude (Post 1104212)
can we take your answer as an answer from Nokia USA in general. thanks.

Not at all. If you want to ask Nokia USA about sales, warranty, support, etc then please ask Nokia USA, not someone following this thread.

gerbick 2011-10-07 20:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1104936)
Not at all. If you want to ask Nokia USA about sales, warranty, support, etc then please ask Nokia USA, not someone following this thread.

Wise words. But who exactly is following this thread?

Oh... and if you ever need more testing in the future for USB features, I have a full-fledged shop for such things in my office.

Rugoz 2011-10-07 20:41

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I would be willing to send a handful of N9s from Switzerland to the US if there is no better option. Of course in the case of a defect you would have to send it back here for repair.

But maybe you just have to wait a bit longer until the n9 makes it to the US through non-nokia channels.

gerbick 2011-10-07 20:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1104953)
I would be willing to send a handful of N9s from Switzerland to the US if there is no better option. Of course in the case of a defect you would have to send it back here for repair.

But maybe you just have to wait a bit longer until the n9 makes it to the US through non-nokia channels.

Thanks dude. What's the price there in Schweiz?

ceroberts75 2011-10-07 20:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1104953)
I would be willing to send a handful of N9s from Switzerland to the US if there is no better option. Of course in the case of a defect you would have to send it back here for repair.

But maybe you just have to wait a bit longer until the n9 makes it to the US through non-nokia channels.

nice!yes, how much is it there for the 64?

Rugoz 2011-10-07 21:18

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Oh dear, i should not have made that offer ;)

I will only order it at digitec.ch, right now its not available there. They say mid october til it ships (16gb), end october for 64gb model.

The price is currently 594 CHF for the 16gb model, at current exchange rates that 594/0.915298296 = 649$

649/0.915298296 = 709$ for the 64gb model.

Shipping is probably between 20$-50$.
As I said, I won't order mine til its available, so right now its probably best to wait.

gerbick 2011-10-09 18:37

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Well guys, here's the update for the last week. Still no update on the 64gb phones, price and availability is still not known. My friend with the Nokia connections is sorta panicking and has set aside a 16gb Black N9 for me.

We might do a "dry run" to see how things go - from the purchasing to shipment - this week. Good news, it sounds like I could have a N9 in my hands in the next week or so. And it'll be at the 8000 Pesos price - around $595 USD for the 16gb version. That's a solid $50 cheaper than most other offerings.

The bad news, I'm still going to have to either go down there or work out something for the larger orders if people are still interested.

Cyan is confirmed a no-go, Magenta - my friends calls it nuclear pink - is way brighter and less dark than each pic has shown so far. And numbers are still unknown around availability. Weird that they're still in the dark. There's a week to go for the so-called release, I'll find out more this week, guaranteed.

Just an update. If I get the N9, I'll report the entire process to you and meanwhile I'll keep asking the question about bulk purchases.

scapegoat845 2011-10-09 18:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1106188)
Well guys, here's the update for the last week. Still no update on the 64gb phones, price and availability is still not known. My friend with the Nokia connections is sorta panicking and has set aside a 16gb Black N9 for me.

We might do a "dry run" to see how things go - from the purchasing to shipment - this week. Good news, it sounds like I could have a N9 in my hands in the next week or so. And it'll be at the 8000 Pesos price - around $595 USD for the 16gb version. That's a solid $50 cheaper than most other offerings.

The bad news, I'm still going to have to either go down there or work out something for the larger orders if people are still interested.

Cyan is confirmed a no-go, Magenta - my friends calls it nuclear pink - is way brighter and less dark than each pic has shown so far. And numbers are still unknown around availability. Weird that they're still in the dark. There's a week to go for the so-called release, I'll find out more this week, guaranteed.

Just an update. If I get the N9, I'll report the entire process to you and meanwhile I'll keep asking the question about bulk purchases.

You the man. Price isn't that bad @ all. Good communication too. Keep up the good work....

uvatbc 2011-10-09 18:52

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gerbick FTW!

diegofigueroa 2011-10-09 19:29

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I'm really interested, thanks for all your work so far.


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