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Arie,

I'd written a rather long reply to this, but after consideration am simply asking this:

When a community member says things that are patently not true about the role Council is playing, should Council not respond to it?

In this instance, we had someone making several false claims (Council is disbanding itself, and/or elevating itself to being the Board, and/or breaking promises, and/or how simple a task they were turning up was). My reply was structured to show, logically, why one of those claims was incorrect. The others were handled in the threads/forums where they were made.

When I was elected, the concept I had was that Council was about handling important requests by the community, and keeping that same community informed about what the facts were and what was happening, to the best of it's ability. Outside of a couple minor delays due to vacations, I feel I've done that.

If you'd prefer that Council remain silent as people spread misinformation (or blatant lies), then I humbly invite you to consider that when you vote for the next Council (in the very near future).

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Well Council should respond but the member in question here is someone who looks to be deliberately attempting to flame things up just because he feels he was "forced" out...So replying to him gives him added impetus to spam this thread with his snips and merciful snips...

I think it is in open for the whole community to see what he's doing and its sad as many people actually hold him in high regard but his attitude and responses since the community awards is just dragging his name in the mud...Sad but true...

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Sadly, this shows me that not a damn thing has changed these last few weeks.

Not a good way to end this probably last full session council at TMO.

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On the contrary, quite a bit has changed. A lot has happened, and a lot more is slated to happen in the next few weeks, and the next few months. Come December, short of Nokia pulling an unexpected rabbit out of it's hat, things will change here. What form that change takes will be decided within the next month or so, by the community.

Based on your statement, I want to clarify something you may have missed: As of mid-July, Estel has not been part of the Council. He removed himself from Council mid-term. He does not speak for Council, but rather speaks his own opinion, which frankly was also true most of the time he was in Council.

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Woody, in reality I wanted you to quote this so that Estel would see it...

I support what the council is trying to accomplish and I'm sorry that I can't be a part of it to help out.

I have no argument against what you are saying. I ignore most of Estel's posts anyways... Instead of responding to him and feeding the troll let him spread his nonsense, sooner or later people will see how stupid he is making himself look.

When others ask questions and make references to estel's posts, just reply oh estel? He's been banned from the #maemo channel too... We really don't pay much attention to him. He's busy causing problems and too much of council's time and effort, that could be put in more productive places, is wasted.

He's attacked you, ivgalvez, neildk, and SD69, there is nothing to say, he's a coward that stepped down from the council at a time when he knew he was needed. He is just causing problems and instead of putting him on your ignore list you are trying to give credence and value to his crap. Let's end this here and now, you have nothing to prove to anyone.

You and the council have tmo's full support, please keep doing what you are and updating us as you have been, we appreciate the transparency.

-Arie

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Someone already started "campaign" for next election? :p I see that solidarity between councilors is "flourishing" as usual. Not good omen, for times, when things *much harder* than CA will need to be decided, by whole council standing as one voice.

/Estel

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That's a 12p LIDL bag-for-life full of LOLZ right there :)

Spotter's Badge to herpderp.

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Eiiish, don't think I'd ever want to be part of the council (not that I've ever been interested), sounds like something out of a soap opera.
I just hope that's all fading away now... the more we start seeing tangible results, the less agro everyone will be, hopefully...

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...72#post1261072

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You mean "we have written bylaws and other than this, achieved nothing" post by woody, written in 325234214234325345435 lines, as he use to do, everytime, when asked "troublesome question"?

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Enough.just pm him and do whatever you wanna do but here for good sake shut up and let em do their job atleast upto december .
He explained everything there in his post ,read with your goggles on .If you dont know you reminded me how naive a person can be . knock it off .

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On the contrary, as Council I feel it's my duty to listen to the community, even those that I disagree with or that personally attack me. IMHO, no Council-person should have anyone on their ignore list. Being true to my own beliefs, I removed the one ignore I had when I announced my candidacy.

And I do have something to prove: That I'm doing what the community has entrusted me to do by voting me into Council in the first place. It's the least I can do, given that I was elected to serve.

As for comments about "solidarity" in Council, or how much we've gotten done: I can tell you that right now there is quite a bit of activity in Council, and the feeling there is harmonious. As for comments about "campaigning", I've not yet decided if I will even seek a position in Council next cycle. For others to think otherwise is... presumptive, to say the least.

All I ask is that before anyone judges, or conclude that Council is nothing but drama, is that you look at Council's current and past activities. The first few months of this Council cycle were not typical. Much time was wasted by a continued focus on trivial items and drama, which I will be the first to admit I was engaged in, even if defensively so.

With the proper caliber of participants, Council is a great experience and can be a productive and effective body. Don't let this cycles early "issues" dissuade you from participating in the process, be that as a voter, a community member, or a potential candidate.

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And if you think so, what would you say for that you was Council for a long time as well. =)

Offtopic:
Can you remove that you are council in signature and vhost on freenode.

To All: Who has problems and want to see how and what council does, i think they'll welcome you to council meting on freenode every Friday.

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Also, please note that this weeks meeting will again be directly after the 15:00 UTC meeting with Nemein, instead of the normal time of 18:00 UTC. The early part of the meeting will be with our current technical contact at Nemein (and long time community member). The more typical open Council session will begin once that meeting has wrapped up, probably around 15:30 or so. All are welcomed to attend.

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Sorry for the late reply. :rolleyes:

Information about the next election is here.

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Hello everyone
I have a question to ask to council memebers
As I thought this thread is appropriate to ask . But if not point me to the suitable thread .
I want to ask why estel has been banned ?
On my mind, he was the most active user in talk.maemo.org(just my personal thinking)
Just wanted to know what he has done ?

Edit/ will miss you estel,
I didn't had any idea while commenting but a question to moderators
banning a person for lifetime is not a good idea , ban for 15 days or 1 month till he realize his mistake
On estel case, I will say it CAN BE due to peer pressure or sometype else.
BUT WHATEVER HAD HAPPENED TO COMMUNITY, ITS VERY SAD

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Look through the By-Laws and Election threads to see his posts...

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As noted, a simple lookup and viewing of his latest posts (easy to do from his profile page) will answer that question. Also, take a look at posts from the profile Letsee (Estel backward).

His original ban was only for a couple of days, based on infraction points assigned by moderators. By creating a second account, he triggered an expansion of that ban to one month.

To my knowledge, he has not been banned permanently. He may be saying that he is, as he tends to blow things out of proportion. But by now, one should be used to him saying just about anything, be it based in reality or not, in order to "justify" his own actions.

Note to new Council: Once you form and setup a chairman, etc, you probably also want to create a new "Ask the Council" thread for your own. This one will be archived with the rest by moderators when you do. :)

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This is correct. Estel's ban is temporary, and as of this writing, will be lifted automatically in a little under 23 days. It is unlikely the duration of Estel's ban will be extended as it is difficult for an individual to incur additional infraction points while banned. However, creating additional accounts in an attempt to avoid the ban would be one way to accomplish that.

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Any chance of getting rid of the Sept 2012 Council election banner on TMO?
Not really needed any more.

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Are there any future plans for the N900? What will the next CSSU update include for the N900? Thats what I would like to know. Thanks

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There might be a better place to ask this - if so, please direct.

What's up with the repositories?

- According to the package page (and repository pages), the most recent addition was made on the 6th Nov 2012 but various people have been trying to upload packages subsequent to that date. Are the problems uploading purely related to the auto-builder?

- Do all packages being uploaded need to be processed by the auto-builder (i.e. can software be fully prepared prior to uploading)?

- Following a complete refresh with the apt client, Faster Application Manager (disable all repos, get it to do apt-get update, then re-enable them all and repeat update), the package dates have been mixed up (e.g. package removal date for the previous version is being given as the package upload date for the current version) . Although this might be a problem with the client, is it actually related to the auto-builder problems?

- Is there an ETA on fixing the auto-builder?

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You can check relevant information in this thread. Unfortunately we haven't received any news yet from Nemein about when and how to fix these problems.

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Thank you. I just wondered whether they were all related problems and whether there'd been any mention of a resolution - I wasn't sure if the problems relating to garage and devel were one in the same, or quite different.

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Would it be possible that someone from Council or Board could have a look at this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86285 and help to solve the problems as this seems to be an interesting project.

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It's all explained in that thread, which was subsequently closed, as everything's now consolidated into the one thread.
That one new/main thread hasn't had updates for a while... :-/