Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I would be very glad with this.

But then again, why would Amazon trade an existing ecosystem, with apps already developed, installed user base, just for a new and unknown system?

It is not like they already modified Android to the point of irrecognition.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Maybe they have, but if I was going to make a new smartphone based on Mer/MeeGo, I wouldn't do it on Harmattan, even if I absolutely love it on my N9. If new product is announced this year, possibly in Q4, it would be "old" by then. It wouldn't make sense to convert Harmattan from what really was Maemo 6 to MeeGo, because frankly, I believe they were already working on next big thing after Harmattan which would have been based on true MeeGo. Ilmatar was the code name if I remember correct... IMO that would be closer guess if Nokia was kind enough to let Jolla LTD have that IP.

Possibly, if there are no business ties to Nokia to tap into their existing apps. I guess Nokia wouldn't mind some extra bucks from Drive and Maps... also apps built on Qt should be easy to convert, so it's not that hopeless, even if this is likely to be a small niche product.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

qt5, so that opens the possibility of shipping with wayland.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

How about asking them if they are interested to help with funding our infra now that Nokia seems to be walking away? Which sane startup doesn't want to start with an enthusiastic community in place?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This is possibly the best idea on TMO on the last few months.

Better yet, they are a real company, which is to say that it is reputable enough to receive donations towards this goal. People may be wary to donate to a forum member, but to a company? And a company that is committed to a very likeable product?

I hope this happens.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Too few details yet, to even try "jumping" under their wings. First, lets stabilize us under our own wings - then, if Jolla succeed into providing something for our "target" user, we may discuss it :)

Also, it seems that pairing with Mer would be much closer for them.

/Estel

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Very good idea!

And an excellent response.

I agree with Estel that we should not be so quick to throw our eggs into their basket yet. BUT... Maybe one of the very awesome council members in their official capacity could send a nice congratulatory email on behalf of TMO?
Just to let them know we are rooting for them and to help open up any dialogue for any (possible) future discussions, of course.

Even if we do choose to fend for ourselves, it would still be a nice gesture from the unofficial birth place of Mer anyway :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

i will get a jolla !

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

No, no jumping under their wings. I carefully chose the words help with funding our infra. Don't get me wrong.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Right now I think we all have to cool down a bit :p

Seriously there is "to much" positive feeds about Jolla atm. ;)

But as we all know there are plenty of question to get answered before we can say what direction this is going.

I mean we doesnt know anything about what device they will come up with? Is it a geekdevice is it big commersial smartphone? Do they have a store? How much will be open and so on? Will they have a community site or will they "take over" Maemo or possible meego.com? Who is investors in the company? Who will make the devices? Where will it be released and so on....

So cool down a bit or else we may be angry cause it was not as expected ;)

However as stskeeps already has said somewhere in this thread:

• We already can help with the core stuff like testing/working/reports bugs in Mer Core. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...53&postcount=6
  

• We also can testing betas of Qt5 on RaspberryPI and N9xx devices... http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5-on-Nokia-N9
  

Atm I think this is the way to go until we knows more about the company.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

is anyone from jolla team here..

its really great to have peoples like you... :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Some maybe are on the IRC channels at freenode.net. But dont ask details they probadly will/can not give us any answers.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I don't think they wanna be too much in open yet. They made it clear on Twitter that they wont "leak" any stuff.

They will have product out this year and will inform more in coming weeks, that's about it for now.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm part of the Jolla team, though working on Mer Core and I can't really say more than what twitter and press releases say.

Ask me anything about Mer though.

However, I'd like to ask one question: How would you guys like the community to look around this?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Some updates:

Qt Components
According to this Tweet, regular Qt Components should be part of the software stack. This should enable easy porting (or simultaneous release) of Harmattan applications.

Python & PySide support
I asked about Python support on the Jolla IRC channel. It seems that as long it works on Mer, it should be no issue. There are actually already quite a few buildable PySide RPM Mer packages on COBS.

Nemo
Might be a good starting point to prepare for Jolla due to similar architecture (Qt, Qt Components, RPM, Mer based). Nemo supports the N900, N9 and can be alse run in a virtual machine on desktop.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Tangential on both: is the Jolla OS a proper Mer Core with their bits on top, or more loosely defined in the same sense that Maemo was described as Debian-based?

I would like to see more engagement in both directions rather than the freebie mentality that Nokia cultivated. Ie, open development with external participation accepted and welcomed, open bugtrackers etc. Make me want to spend my time trying to improve the platform (and I admit that's pretty hard after all the disappointments in the last few years), and make my time spent worth it by engaging rather than ignoring.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Anyone know how heading this show?

Ari jaaksi?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, they could use Alien Dalvik / OpenMobile ACL, for which the only massive hurdle is to get users access to the Google Play Store (impossible without actual android?) or (the RIM approach) get apps re-submitted to another store like ... the Amazon App Store ... wait a minute! I might be onto something here!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jolla bases on top of Mer, with their bits on top. Jolla participates and has been participating in Mer work for quite a while, though in stealth. Naturally if you do contributions to Mer (or when Jolla does), they're governed by the Mer governance/methods and discussed/reviewed in the open.

Open development is encouraged, but stay tuned for specifics.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Ari Jaaksi is with HP.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yes, and so would you if you had taken the time to read this thread or at least the press release.

For the love of $DEITY people, READ instead of just making stuff up and hoping to sound clever!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

So I have read the thread and the press release. Still unknown who pushing the big bucks.

Can you tell, please.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Can you tell how many employees Jolla Oy has? Linkedin page says 51-200. More close 51 or 200?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Just repeating .. I'd like to ask one question: How would you guys like the community to look around Jolla SW/HW etc?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I will 100% support JollaMobile with a mobile OS based on Mer, Qt (with GUI in Qt Quick Components, maybe also QWidgets support), Python/PySide/PyQt, X Windows.

100% support : buy devices (smartphones & tablets), develop softwares for, use them.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I think some of my earlier points on MeeGo community infra would still apply here.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I wrote my take on the Maemo and MeeGo saga in light of Jolla in: bergie.iki.fi/blog/meego-diaspora/

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

same as here! if we have something to gather around, we will gather, and it will definitively look like this!

hey but why wouldn't you "take" this forum, when nokia stops founding it???

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jussi Hurmola interview in finnish.

http://www.nelonen.fi/uutiset/videot...deo&vid=260201

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Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I hope jolla own new ui combine the n9 and 808 belle and bb 10 os.

nokia u concept phone design.

hope you announce the new meego phone one week before the global launch and the first product from your company must be impressive

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Like the Maemo community ? :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This is interesting news, but even more is the coming discussion of the what this real means in the real world. What will this little project cost, what could we expect or even better what's Not expect.. Some people seems like they are up in the air :D great news indeed. But what is this really?

Noone here knows. Please take a step back and look the facts /news presented again please.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The community would have to be built on good, clear lines of communication between it and the company.* There will always be decisions that will displease some people, but as long as the reasoning is clear and fair, most will accept them.

There will no doubt be closed bits in the platform. One way of keeping people aboard over several device launches would be to allow a trusted group of community developers working under NDAs to update those closed bits so that legacy devices aren't left with a load of WONTFIXes, or FIXED IN $NEXT RELEASEs.


*[Maybe you could poach qgil for the community liaison role - but please wait until maemo.org has at least managed to secure what it needs to complete it's transition].

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This^ Some solid ideas.

No, they have not said that's necessarily what the OS will be called.
I just hope they dont continue to call it MeeGo, ugh, please dear God no.

They've confirmed several times they have financial and hw partners.
They won't go into any more detail than that at THIS stage.

Are you sure they've said conclusively that they're aiming for a product on-shelves this yr?
I followed their feed very closely for quite some time, & saw nothing to fully validate that.

Agreed, just pick the best/most_suitable elements from the Maemo5/6/MeeGo community.*
I guess that should be outlined in much more detail & picked over, then we can give the answers you're seeking.

*i.e. the bits that have proven to work (mostly) well

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

My take: http://post404.com/2012/07/jolla-mob...sinking-meego/

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Is PySide working with Qt5? I suspect that those packages works with Qt 4.8...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Great points jalyst. Nothing is confirmed. Wait for confirmations guys. Almost no facts or information is available. Neither is there any clear information chanals yet. still a lots of people claiming lots of stuff as truth.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jolla and this thread brought me back to TMO after a long period of not bothering anymore. I am exited and hope Jolla will deliver.

isto

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

On the software side and I don't want this to sound like an app request, there is a project called Tizmee by the user Elleo who is currently working on adding the TIZEN APIs to meego harmattan. The project is still in its early stages but is seeing some early success running TIZEN apps on the n9.

Would something like his work be of interest to the Jolla team?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

One thing that I think is important to get right from the start is to have a centralised home for community activity. Right now with Harmattan we have multiple forums and wikis spread across maemo.org, meego.com, and developer.nokia.com. I've noticed that the maemo.org wiki doesn't get as many contributions as it did pre-Harmattan days and I think fragmentation could be one of the reasons for that.