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woody14619

2013-06-03 17:07

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Rob,

Call me names all you want, I won't be resigning as others have out of frustration of dealing with you. Your actions (and inaction) have cost this community dearly.

It's sad that you claim I am the one causing delay because I took three days to reply to a non-critical issue raised over a holiday weekend. This after months of you blocking everything from meetings to elections, and doing so in such a way that literally every person involved with HiFo has quit or simply stopped interacting with HiFo.

Perhaps now would be a good time to remind people why the PayPal link isn't working. Because you are the only person with access to the account, and for the past several months couldn't be bothered to call PayPal and/or the bank and fix whatever's wrong. Your "solution" was to have the link removed from the HiFo site.

The reimbursement issue: The request went from a PO request to a reimbursement request because HiFo was non-responsive for weeks. And when you did reply, it was that the new Board needed to meet, which you delayed for months, despite me calling for a meeting weekly.

The drives were purchased with funds from the pockets of two members here. They could by law request them back, since neither of them gave them as a donation to HiFo, nor have they been reimbursed as requested. That alone should spark the need to reimburse for the drives, regardless of who gave money to whom to help purchase them. I mentioned this several times, both in e-mails and at the only meeting held over the past 3 months.

In the very latest incident (for the switch) you were actually timely. Bravo, well done. Was it the realization that the community is pissed at you that finally got your attention, or were we just lucky in our request timing?

Regardless, one single timely action doesn't make up for months of delays and games. But you'll find that out soon enough, weather you bother to reply to me or not.

MisterC: You once took umbrage with my "doing what I though was right for the community", saying that if that didn't align with actual desires I would be a problem. I encourage you to re-examine who you're backing now...

joerg_rw

2013-06-03 18:01

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

so let me first comment/reply on that meeting issue, for your convenience:

Woody 2013-05-30 19:32:

Quote:

I feel like a broken record, but why not try again...

We need a meeting. [...] My availability for the coming week [remark-by-me: 2013-06-03 to 2013-06-09] is wide open. With the exception of Thursdays from 3pm to 4pm (EDT) I'm generally open

Jim 2013-05-30 20:10:

Quote:

Let's come up with some candidate dates/times... Maybe use doodle to poll people?

Robert 2013-06-01 02:40:

Quote:

I think the last meeting request I got was more than a month ago. I am currently available next Thursday between 9am-2pm.

Will you guys find a way to agree on a meeting?

And then let me ask the mods in here to move/copy the relevant posts to a new thread titled "BoD internal chat, held public to let community know what's going on"
Thanks!

/j

joerg_rw

2013-06-03 23:21

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1349004)

The issue with that request for "reimbursement" was that the request was made without mentioning that funds had already been solicited and donated for the hard drive. The prior donations were not mentioned at the time of the request for "reimbursement", so it is being handled with care in order to ensure that the donations to Hildon Foundation are dispensed properly without duplication. Woody was informed of this concern weeks ago and knew about it when the above comment was made

You were informed as well about our take on that (watch the date!):

Quote:

Code:

Re: Fwd: Receipt for Harddrives

 Date: 2013-05-07 12:20

 From: joerg Reisenweber <joerg@openmoko.xxx>

 To: robert bauer <nybauer@xxxxxx>

 CC: Craig Woodward <woody@xxxxxx>, Falk <falk@xxxxxx>, 

"council@maemo.xxx" <council@maemo.org>, Jim Jagielski <jimjag@xxxxxx>, 

"board@hildonfoundation.org" <board@hildonfoundation.xxx>

 

[...]

@Rob, re hardware/funds/reimbursement: Donations to me are not a discussion 

topic for HiFo (Reinob even made utterly clear in public post that he never 

even considered donating to HiFo - ponder why that's like this and you might 

find out about some unpleasant truths regarding HiFo's image in the public, 

caused by Rob). If I got any donations, what they been meant for and how I 

handle them is solely an issue between me and the donors (or those giving 

credit, you have no idea what I negotiated with those guys that transferred 

money to me). I plan to ask all people that gave me money what I shall do with 

it as soon as HiFo reimbursed me for the HW - until then it's my hardware, 

and for sure it's not HiFo's donations, harddrives, or whatever. I originally 

planned for a more cooperative approach based on mutual free information about 

state of things, but obviously that's not going to happen with Mr Bauer, who 

prefers to talk about me in third person and behind my back only, lately - 

even when it comes to questions that nobody except me can answer.  You're not 

only killing community with such games, you kill yourself as well.

And one more thing: I really hate the way you always try to make us guys in 

techstaff look like we were gangsters, while I think lawyers are the worst 

gangsters on this planet, maybe together with bankers.

I am sorry I have to admit that I hope I won't be in next MCC or in HFC 

after elections, but if I am, I don't see any future for cooperation with a 

HiFo that's ruined and brought to zombie state by a Mr Bauer who hasn't 

radically readjusted his attitudes and habits.



BR

jOERG

(councilor, admin-manager)

footnote: that request been placed by Woody, without me explicitly asking for it, since Woody thought it's natural when HiFo becomes legal owner of the HDD.

GeneralAntilles

2013-06-03 23:33

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1349166)

Would it be possible to set up your PayPal account for recurring payments? I found the PayPal website an intricate maze when it comes to finding any information beyond the simplest operation, but if I understand it correctly, it is not possible to send regular payments without something called a "subscription" that the "merchant" has to set up. I would like to send a small amount regularly each month automagically rather than having to remember about it. I guess if more people express a similar wish then it might be worth your while.

We were discussing this idea on #maemo the other night, actually. I think subscriptions are an excellent idea. It's something I'd like to seem implemented if elected. ;) I'm open to ideas for subscriber benefits.

joerg_rw

2013-06-03 23:51

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1349166)

Joerg,

Would it be possible to set up your PayPal account for recurring payments? I found the PayPal website an intricate maze when it comes to finding any information beyond the simplest operation, but if I understand it correctly, it is not possible to send regular payments without something called a "subscription" that the "merchant" has to set up. I would like to send a small amount regularly each month automagically rather than having to remember about it. I guess if more people express a similar wish then it might be worth your while.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 1349339)

I think in january we looked into it and it turned out you need a special paypal account to allow "subscriptions". Can't recall what been the special in it, maybe commercial, maybe approved NFP status which aiui is what lacks for HiFo account right now and is giving us all the pain that it doesn't work and has frozen the donations.
For sure my account is a pretty standard private account that probably can't do subscrptions. Sorry. And of course, if somebody finds better details, please holler - after all I might be wrong regarding that subscription thing.

cheers
jOERG

peterleinchen

2013-06-04 09:56

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by joerg_rw (Post 1349283)

That would be nice!

misterc

2013-06-06 19:16

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1349271)

[...]

MisterC: You once took umbrage with my "doing what I though was right for the community", saying that if that didn't align with actual desires I would be a problem. I encourage you to re-examine who you're backing now...

Quote:

it's nice to be important
it's more important to be nice...

i'm not looking for conflict, simply taking umbrage of... the way you behave.
not only during council meetings, but on TMO in general, since i have been 'round...
quote says it all

misterc

2013-06-06 19:24

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by joerg_rw (Post 1349336)

[...]

footnote: that request been placed by Woody, without me explicitly asking for it, since Woody thought it's natural when HiFo becomes legal owner of the HDD.

technically and legally you may be owner of the hard disks
ethically?

[EDIT]
at the end of the day, this is democracy all over again...

Quote:

the worst solution except all others

if people (and the internet has only been exacerbating this behaviour) behave like pigs, well, communities and forums appear like pigsties

Quote:

be nice :)

Win7Mac

2013-06-06 21:26

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1350070)

i'm not looking for conflict...

Actually you do. Otherwise, what is your intention?... :rolleyes: Dude, are you serious?
Obviously you're the one&only public supporter of SD69 (just look at both your thanks). You may have your reasons and are gladly invited to raise your voice in upcoming BoD-elections. That just has to happen, and actually be acknowledged by BoD majority.
Community, Counsils (2nd gen.) and parts of BoD demands this since months.

And please consider who's responisible for not taking action upon paypal status and loss of bank account treasurer (besides all the mess with nokia and loosing two! dear community members and Directors).

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1350074)

ethically?

LMAO, what's screwed with your ethics?
joerg jumped in to have a backup in place in time out of his own pocket - to me that's not just helpful, but very altruistic too.
BTW, I guess joerg is the last one who would depend on a working maemo-infra. ;)
Probadly re-read thread title and post #1.

Quote:

pigsty

And you seriously request others to be nice?
Grab a mirror and have a close look!

misterc

2013-06-06 21:32

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

mirror mirror on... the screen

Code:

webcam zooms...

who is the meanest most stupid on TMO?!?

handaxe

2013-06-06 22:46

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Sigh! :(

Cry the beloved forum.

pgarvey

2013-06-10 20:08

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

hmm, almost happy my initial donation to Hildon Foundation was returned - donated to techstaff instead and will do so again - it worked and I know it will not be wasted.

joerg_rw

2013-06-10 20:48

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

@mods: could you please move #151, #154, #159, #161, #162, #163, #166-171, and this very post, to offtopic, or to a separate thread as suggested before, please? Not all of them are odd posts in themselves, but they all refer to sth that started derailing the thread and gets annoying and counterproductive, at least under topic of this thread. Sorry for the innocent posters who got trapped in this. Also sorry that me as well contributed to such derailing.

/j

joerg_rw

2013-06-11 21:19

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

btw, just since usually it goes unnoticed otherwise:
I edited http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...59#post1347859 to add a proper balance

/j

reinob

2013-06-12 09:07

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

859,99 expense total
789,26 donations total

I've fixed that (rounded up a bit, will take a day or two).

nokiabot

2013-06-12 16:01

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by reinob (Post 1351391)

I've fixed that (rounded up a bit, will take a day or two).

if i got it correct then where did the extra amount came from who paid:)

woody14619

2013-06-13 15:20

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiabot (Post 1351501)

if i got it correct then where did the extra amount came from who paid:)

Generally, when one makes a table of expenses and income, and the expenses exceed the income, the "extra" amount has come from the person making said table...:rolleyes:

nokiabot

2013-06-13 18:28

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1351752)

Generally, when one makes a table of expenses and income, and the expenses exceed the income, the "extra" amount has come from the person making said table...:rolleyes:

oh ***** ! :( then must be repaid for the generosity when theres sufficient funds :)
thanx man

reinob

2013-06-14 08:54

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiabot (Post 1351815)

oh ***** ! :( then must be repaid for the generosity when theres sufficient funds :)
thanx man

I generally find it hard to make sense of what you write. I think you also didn't understand my message above. Sorry. My post above, in a longer, more explicit, version, would have merely stated that I've transferred EUR 75 to Jörg to compensate for that imbalance.

Let's now close this sub-topic.

nokiabot

2013-06-14 09:14

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by reinob (Post 1351915)

yeah seems i am progressing bit by bit:)

just to be sure u transferd the amount from the community fund to jeorge to compensate jeorges expenditure on bla bla previously:)

pichlo

2013-06-14 09:30

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

@nokiabot, reinob has no access to community funds. I doubt there are any community funds to speak of anyway since the PayPal donations have been bouncing back (translate: have been rejected, see past 20 posts or so) for the past two months. To break it to you in simplest terms possible, reinob made a personal donation of €75.

Back to the topic - sadly, I am not in a position to donate that much but something like £10 to £20 per month is easily within my reach. Feel free to take this as my pledge. I would prefer to do it by standing order but can just as well set myself a reminder.

joerg_rw

2013-06-14 09:48

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiabot (Post 1351929)

yeah seems i am progressing bit by bit:)

just to be sure u transferd the amount from the community fund to jeorge to compensate jeorges expenditure on bla bla previously:)

Please!
My name is J o e r g (or actually Jörg but I use a ASCII-friendly transliteration of the O-diaeresis as I do with all diacritic char / umlauts).
My name is NOT Jeorge or Jeorg.

And Reinob for sure hasn't transferred anything from any community fund, he transfers any donations from his own purse. Please read and think twice before you post sth here: a) did you really understand what others said, b) do you really have to say sth relevant on your own.
Like Reinob I usually find it very hard to almost impossible to make sense of your posts. I know you're no native English speaker and we don't demand clean British english here, but I think with a bit of effort you could produce contributions that are more pleasure to read and better serve to transport what you actually meant to contribute. ;-)

/jOERG

nokiabot

2013-06-14 11:50

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Thanx joerg:) :( :o

joerg_rw

2013-06-14 19:57

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1351936)

I doubt there are any community funds to speak of anyway since the PayPal donations have been bouncing back (translate: have been rejected, see past 20 posts or so) for the past two months

See http://hildonfoundation.org/supporters/ - alas aiui at least a considerable chunk of that is frozen on Paypal and not accessible,thanks to HiFo trying to safe some 2% for paypal money transfer and thus creating the paypal account for a NFP. Paypal demands proof of NFP state or they freeze the account.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1351936)

Back to the topic - sadly, I am not in a position to donate that much but something like £10 to £20 per month is easily within my reach. Feel free to take this as my pledge. I would prefer to do it by standing order but can just as well set myself a reminder.

Much appreciated! :-) I looked into my own account and found no way for standing orders. I guess you (or I) need a commercial account for that. Sorry for the inconvenience.

cheers
jOERG

scaler

2013-06-18 16:05

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1349166)

Joerg,

I would like to send a small amount regularly each month automagically rather than having to remember about it.

You could do this through Flattr (if Joerg also joins as a "creator"), but Flattr takes 10% of your donation, as opposed to 2% to 4% taken by PayPal.

Also, not sure what you mean by "automagically". Flattr only uses money that you have already sent on deposit: they don't (and can't) access your credit card or bank account the way that PayPal can.

nokiabot

2013-06-18 17:31

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by scaler (Post 1352938)

it would be better to buy an dedicated alarm clock to remind then to give 20percent:( :p

pichlo

2013-06-18 18:19

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiabot (Post 1352955)

it would be better to buy an dedicated alarm clock

I have one. It has a sliding keyboard and NOKIA printed in the top left corner.

shubell

2013-06-20 10:01

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

today i got this from paypal.
"Dear xxxxxxx
On May 20, 2013, you sent a payment to Hildon Foundation for 5.00 USD.
The funds have been returned to your account.
This payment was returned for the following reason(s):
Hildon Foundation is not a Verified PayPal member."

pichlo

2013-06-20 10:42

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

@shubell, welcome to the club :)

(Posts 128 onwards are all about bounced PayPal payments.)

nokiabot

2013-06-20 18:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shubell (Post 1353411)

hey you can use this temporary paypal account to donate until it gets fixed:)

joerg_rw

2013-06-25 15:43

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

since nothing worked (raw html, pdf attachment...) I like to point you to
http://maemo.cloud-7.de/donations.html
for latest donations balance on my account

Not long and we can afford 3rd blade, which is what our sysop told me would be next best thing to get (need to discuss the off-site backup idea with him though)
Alas the paid professional maintaner that looks into all that autobuilder mess is out of sight. Maybe somebody would consider donating working hours rather than money? See http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=71
/j

bretus

2013-12-02 08:27

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Hi
I'm wanting to acquire just the internals for the neo 900 for maybe 1 or 2 n900's
If i make a 200euro's donation will that go towards the purchase of 1 or 2 neo 900's?
And is the paypal link working yet?

joerg_rw

2013-12-02 09:13

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by bretus (Post 1391556)

Please use http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, since this thread is about maemo infra funding, not about Neo900.
For "preordering" two devices you better do two donations a 100EUR.
Sorry, afaik we don't have a way to accept paypal - maybe dos1 knows better details.

Cheers
jOERG

peterleinchen

2014-01-07 22:07

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

The curious cat wants to know about current status of funds?

It os now a year gone. And there were some real troubles (e.g. bank account locked, ...), so I just would like to know if current money flux is sufficient or is there any at all or we need anothder fundraiser action?

This question goes out to the council or whoever might want to share some info.
TIA

sixwheeledbeast

2014-01-08 00:03

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1404658)

This was mentioned at today's meeting. Maybe check out the logs or wait for the minutes?

pichlo

2014-01-08 09:13

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast (Post 1404669)

This was mentioned at today's meeting. Maybe check out the logs or wait for the minutes?

Would you be so kind as to post a reminder with the links to the logs for us mere mortals?

joerg_rw

2014-01-08 12:40

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

in short: the HiFo paypal account still not working. On my account there are some 2 to 3 donations of 5..15EUR per month. We have no expenses basically (except the stuff I sponsor which makes for the ever same ~70EUR per month). Sorry for being lazy with updating my excel sheet on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/donations.html but you can extrapolate this according to what's been stated in this post.
Basically HiFo isn't rich but not starving, due to lack of any real expenses.
For better detail please wait for some report directly from HiFo which they should publish every now and then anyway.

cheers and thanks for all the awesome support from community
jOERG

ps: logs to be found on http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/ (last) and meeting minutes on the community ML and maemo blog(if it works, which it should again meanwhile since 6 months), and of course on talk.m.o

woody14619

2014-01-08 20:27

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1404658)

The curious cat wants to know about current status of funds?

To be clear, the HiFo bank account issues have been resolved, and the current Board can access funds again. The PayPal account linkage has not yet been re-established, which is mainly my bad. I've been dealing with a few issues in my personal life and this has fallen by the way side. I am hopeful that the PayPal linkage will be up again soon, but more for helping in paying our bills than for soliciting funds, honestly.

As Joerg noted, the Foundation currently has very few expenses and a reasonable amount in the bank. We do have a couple of long out-standing reimbursement requests to re-address, and possibly some other upcoming fees for (minor) legal items (required announcements, tax filings, etc). But outside that, the foundation is not currently hurting for funds thanks to the strong support shown by members at our start up.

Currently if you're looking to throw money at something to help the community at large, I personally suggest you look at funding Joerg's campaign to keep other important resources and activities alive, including the Neo900 project. I have full faith that he will handle funds for those projects with proper diligence, as he has already proven himself over the past several years in this regard.

To be clear, the above is a personal recommendation, and should not be taken as a view held or promoted by the Hildon Foundation, it's Board, nor construed as legal advice or political endorsement in any form. :D

Win7Mac

2014-01-09 15:53

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

I think we can safely remove "roof on fire" from thread title by now. :)
As soon as HiFo-paypal works again, we will post here.

shawnjefferson

2014-01-10 02:34

Re: FUNDRAISER - roof on fire

It would be nice to have an official thumb repository hosted on maemo.org, along with autobuilder and extras/extras-testing/extras-dev. If there would be a need for additional capacity to support that, the donations could be used for that?

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