Re: Ideal keyboard design and configuration
 

I see some unused spaces in qwerty variant. Adding more letters/symbols could be optimal. For example if you add: ñ ç € º ª ¿ ¡ ' (this last one is the acute acent, used for compose: á é í ó ú) keyboard would be valid for spanish too. In a normal qwerty keyboard and in N900 spanish variant ñ is on the right key of l, and ç on the right key of ñ.

I don't see other usual symbols as: # £

http://www.wikinoticia.com/images/al...ie-640x433.jpg

Edited for correction: I didn't see the "_" symbol, it's over the "p". "-" is the key on right to "0".

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I already mentioned it a bit earlier in this thread, but I thought I'd throw in the idea again of a sliding lens cover as part of the keyboard:
"- Thinking more gimmicky, James-Bond-like, the leftmost column of keys - or a suitably sized portion of the left side of the kbd - functions as a lens/flash cover. When you wanna use the cam, that leftmost column (or even only its middle part, just wide enough to uncover the lens and flash) can be pressed down (or to the right) to vanish into the rest of the qwerty (which is in closed position). That would be the gesture with which one usually opens a standard lens cover :-D Sounds fun, doesn't it?"
I would regret having the whole thing the same size as the N900's. it was finely crafted, but still crammed and narrow, and only 3 rows is also disappointing. A hole is okay, having to slide the whole thing out for taking a pic is not.

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The design from dirkvl let you detach the keyboard. The two parts are attached by magnets.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=160

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Today any qwerty is the ideal one since we Simply have no other options.

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Is there a reason that shifted numbers do not have the usual symbols !"#¤%&/()= (on currennt keyboard) on them ?

That international moneytary symbol ¤ is something that should be replaced whith $ or €

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We have. Dvorak, Colmak, etc. Dvorak is actually pretty great and easy to learn and it has seen more adaption in recent years.

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How powerful are the magnets. Can they destroy the phone or mess with wifi or network? I guess small magnets are safe.


Not like putting them on loudspeaker on High volume :D

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no worries on the magnets. search tohkbdrev2 topic for moar explanations

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Ok, thx. i found this...I wonder how that would affect jolla

http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/mediacente...rid/index.html

http://youtu.be/QGytW_C6hR8

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A smaler version of microsofts new universal keyboard would be nice.

http://youtu.be/sdPT-TzgU84

Or
Logitech K480 Muti-Device Keyboard Review: http://youtu.be/owuoyXv9qu4

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are the pics that you posted of the only layouts we will have or will you make a german one also?

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@Dave999 Did you heard about The Other Half? ;) :P

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Hello!
Here is a picture .....
I like much!

http://cs622023.vk.me/v622023007/204a/tzGUqULS_I8.jpg

source : https://twitter.com/MixailBam
via : http://maemo.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=132391#p132391

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WOW!
That looks great.
I'd love to have a German keyboard layout, but I could go for Qwerty version if not available.
If the real device looks as good as the renders (and the magnet mechanism works fine) this will be a MUST HAVE OTHER HALF.

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beautiful keyboard, love the massive number of keys. im not sure i can get used to having the arrows on the left, though

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I will get used very fast to those arrows, I think. My previous phone, HP Pre 3, had a portrait keyboard and moving the cursor was done by holding down the symbol key on the *left* of the keyboard and swiping the gesture area. So...

I still vote for a portrait slider TOH, but if the keyboard's gonna look and work as awesome as the mockups, then I'd buy it in an instant and use it every day :) (IMHO it would be a nice compromise to the portrait slider I miss from the Pre 3 if it's gonna be this awesome as the mockups! :))

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No German is a dealbreaker for me - won't buy a qwerty.

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Beauty.

http://cs619430.vk.me/v619430007/18d11/U6IyPzyoy9k.jpg


source : https://twitter.com/MixailBam
via : http://maemo.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=132438#p132438

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Great design that you posted Jollaman!

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Just... no. Sorry, if that was gonna be a TOH I wouldn't even think of buying it. Keys look less cool, keys are waaaay too flat, keypad on the right is more inconvenient that it already is on the left IMHO and I just don't like the white-ish look. But to me, the dealbreaker is more the too flat keys and keypad on the right.

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With new and improved bendable iPhone. How is the keyboard? Rock solid or slinky flexible?

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the bottom piece has a 1.6mm thick fiberglass/epoxy backbone spanning the entire area. should be fine.

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http://www.jollatides.com/wp-content...ept-lenovo.jpg

This was ones a dream...

I think samsung Give birth to slider keyboard device 2015. You know Where you heard IT first.

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With love for Jolla.

http://cs616319.vk.me/v616319007/1f0df/IR4op5CACwc.jpg

source :
http://maemo.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=7396&p=10
http://maemo.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=132438#p132438
http://maemo.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=132417#p132417

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With love for Jolla.

http://cs616319.vk.me/v616319007/1f0df/IR4op5CACwc.jpg

source : http://maemo.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=132417#p132417

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@dirkvl hope you like it enought to use it :(

As asked by dirkvl in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=354 here is a qwerty design with spanish symbols added as told in this post and the inmediate next one http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=352

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5597/...f6564981_b.jpg

ñ and acute (for áéíóú) are placed in the same placements as in spanish qwerty keyboards (at right side of "L" and "Ñ" respectively). Umlaut (for ü) is placed in the same place as in azerty layout (in same key as "+" symbol). Opening of interrogation "¿" and exclamation "¡" are added in same key as closing respectives. Catalonian (and french) symbol "ç" and "ª" "º" are added in the free places left ("F", "H" and "J" respectively). No other modifications, so mostly, symbols are placed as in qwerty english keyboards.

This layout would be valid for english and spanish. English users will have more symbols than they need, and spanish ones will have symbols placed in inusual places for them. But, it's a good deal for both.

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Just think of the oppertunity With a 6 inch slider. You could have such an aswsome keyboard. Would love to have a sony xperia ultra slider ll.

http://www.greedynet.com/wp-content/...re-laptop2.jpg

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I wonder the same thing. Visually it'd wouldn't be as clean. But the typing experince would be much closer to a "normal" keyboard.

I don't know about the other scandinavian layouts, but for Swedes. ";:" should switch place with "<>" and some of the other symbols could also be moved around (eg. !/\~-?).

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Yes, indeed. For a more compatible layuout with the Scandinavian standard Qwerty layouts, the , (comma) and . (period) and - (hyphen) keys should be immediately on the right-hand side of the M key, and ; (semicolon) and : (colon) and _ (underscore) should be made with Shift + comma and Shift + period and Shift + hyphen, respectively. In order to visually associate the ; and : and _ with the Shift key, the ; and : and _ labels should be painted in white on the , and . keys.

I think that the same modification should be made also to the Qwertz andd Spanish keyboards, in order to make their lyout more consistent with the standard keyboard layout (of your laptop, for wexample).

Is it possible to make these changes to the next revision?
Sorry, I've not followed the debate about the functions of the keys on the right-hand side of the M key.

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Your suggestion looks good. I would, however, make the keyboard even more compatible with the standard layout by moving the , (comma), . (period) and - (hyphen) keys immediately to the right-hand side of the lM key. See this comment: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=189 This would affect the place of the question and interrogaion marks, and their inverted variants, but I believe that suitable keys can be found for them.

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Love it. To quote myself:
Since it is way to late to change anything drastic to tohkbd without upsetting a lot of people, it is safe to assume this thread is from here on towards thinking about a perfect layout for rev3/j2rev1.

Do not forget to post pictures or whatever (even excel will do), but saying 'i want that with this and this but not that' does not speak to the very visually oriented mind of a hardware designer ;)

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Sure, but I just tried to do a very basic adaptation of english qwerty, to ease to get it done. It's just an english + some symbols without touching anything from the original design. Obviously, your proposal is better for an independent design.

Re: Ideal keyboard.. bi- and trilingual variants
 

Your design of a bilingual Qwerty layout makes sense. It adds Spanish to the Qwerty, but does not make it any worse for English texts. Such a qwerty variant would be ideal for North America, for example

I believe that a trilingual layout can be modified from keyboards like TOHKBD rev. 2. By adding to their dedicated keys the Ç and Ñ characters and the dead-key accents of the Spanish, Portuguese and Catalan languages, as well as¿ ¡ ª º · characters as the combinations with the blue "Chr" key, the same keyboard would be suitable for Spain and Portugal, as well as practically all Latin America. The keyboard might be suitable also for French texts (but for French it would be more limited and less standard than the Canadian bilingual Qwerty, for example). Naturally also English could be written easily on the Spanish+Portuguese+Catalan Qwerty variant. I may publish my draft in the thread of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94303

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So, any improvement doable to this design fos spanish/catalan/portuguese layout adaptation on english qwerty one?. Obviously a totally new arrangement would be ideal, but I am trying to get the best posible modification over tohkbd qwerty layout.

If there is nothing more to add/quit/move I will ask wazd to make the vector file for laser engraving.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7539/...8ffa18f3_o.jpg

Layout in libreoffice format

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I will later check and comment this layout. But please make this minor change:
Change the accent above the F label to the genuine accent acute symbol: ´. It has the unicode 00B4 (and at least on WIndows PC) it can be entered with Alt + 0180. Whether the accent acute is reproduced correctly may depend a bit about the font used.
But now in your draft it looks like the apostrophe.

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To make the "Masculine ordinal indicator" º confuse less with "superscrift o" and Degree Sign, and to make the "Feminine Ordinal Indicator" confuse less with "Superscript a", please use a suitable font for the printing of those two key labels. The difference can be seen best by using the Calibri or Cambria font for the º ª letters: there is a line below the º and ª.

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Thanks Egon, I got implemented your suggestions and made a change. Acute accent is more used than umlaut or even ñ or ç, so I put in a key where can be gotten directly without pressing a especial key previously. It is the same place used in N900 spanish layout.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8633/...ee676ee0_n.jpg

There is a space under the at symbol which I suppose that could be used too.

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Thanks, malkavian. You changes are welcome improvements.
While this layout already works as a good "Pan-American" keyboard variant (English + Spanish + Portuguese + French + Italian), it works also as a quite useful "ad hoc" keyboard also for the Catalan, Finnish, Estonian and German languages, if the TOHKBD owner prefers to get a primarily English layout (exception: the German "double s" ß is missing, or for the German, perhaps the Ñ key could work as the ß key; the ß does not need to be printed on that key). The layout and key labels work fine also for the Swedish, Danish and Norwegian languages, if a suitable SW driver is provided ("Swedish add-on for English layout", for example). For the "Scandinavian" å and Å ("A with ring above") can you find the "ring above" dead-key accent on the keyboard?. Yes you can: it is printed on the M key (although it works as the º (masculine ordinal indicator) for the Spanish, Portuguesem Catalan and Italian languages, the SW driver can make it work as the "ring above dead-key accent" if you have chosen Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic or Finnish as the text-input language (but perhaps we can omit the "Icelandic add-on SW driver for English layout", because you cannot find the Þ and ð letters on the keyboard). For Estonian, the õ letter can be implemented like for the Portuguese, and ü letter can be implemented like for the German language.

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Fine, approved then. I doubt that a french or german speaker use this having a TOHKBD layout specific for them... Sending it to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94303 for getting vector file for it.

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OK. Actually I believe that also for all the languages that I listed (except English), the use of the English + Spanish + Portuguese + Catalan layout would be limited mainly to ad-hoc needs: it is good to be able to write also the listed languages on the primarily English keyboard. I also believe that also a genuine Spanish + Portuguese + Catalan TOHKBD will be needed. In my previous comments I've written something about them, and will later suggest a new layout for them. Just now I'm too busy with my other activities and hobbies.
Anyway, your layout will be good first aid for Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan and Italian texts.