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Yes, if you install it from the store. Like many things, it isn't bundled into the device out of the box.

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Install zsh from mer-tools instead of worrying about it. You'll thank me later. :-)

Does it include the Swype kb like N9 (or equivalent)?

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At the moment, it's text messaging only.

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Amazon appstore installed directly from the webpage:

www.amazon.com/getappstore

by clicking the link. Writing this post on Tapatalk installed from there. Tested the birdgame too. In the free one, adds work as well. ;-)

isto

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Can you PM me your Store user? I'll pass it on to the store folks.

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Calendar works, and I'm reasonably sure that contacts sync works too. I don't know if multiple calendars work off the top of my head, sorry.

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Food for reviews:
- Call quality (at least in comparison with your old phone(s), state what phone(s) you had :-) )
- Reception (at least in your area, copmare with previous phone(s), same as above)
- Maps: offline maps? turn by turn navigation? public transport layer? directions using public transport? zoom bar (+/- buttons as opposed to pinch to zoom)
- Mail (does it work? easy to set up? IMAP?)
- Messages (would be nice to see it working with integrated social services)
- RSS reader/feeds (generally how they work)
- Browser (a more detailed review)

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No. Nothing technical stops something like that being done (we use the same input method framework as the N9, a few generations further on) - there simply isn't a keyboard implemented like that.

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Is it planned that there will be an official swype keyboard? I use it all the time on my N9, and find it very difficult now to go back to a 'normal' vkb. And it was certainly one of the big asks prior to the Jolla being launched, saw it on many "We'd like to see .." lists

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"At the moment" still sounds hopeful (XMPP)

But full featured core implementation of SIP and XMPP should definitely be committed to and confirmed or mine will be shipping off to Australia upon arrival. No mistake on that.

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Some fast notions from the top of my head:

The phone is fast, responsive and intuitive coming from N9. I´ve gotten it to freeze when I took a photo (I heard this is a known bug, but hard to reproduce =) and a few times the pulley menus have frozen as well.
Map app works well and seems to be quite fast. No option for offline navigation, didn´t work when I turned wlan and internet off. Has turn-by-turn navigation, you can choose car or by foot.
You can´t change the options in the lock screen´s pulley meny (not yeat, at least).
Whatsapp and Spotify work well.
I have received only one call from Whatsappa registration, sound quality seemed ok.
Universal copy-paste seemed to work, at least between native Notes and Quicklist and Android FB.
Plays FLAC (yay!), sound quality is good. Occasional creaks from pulley menus can be heard when I have my ear phones.
The feed doesn´t seem to work, or I just don´t know how yet. When I pull from down, it brings out the notifications etc but doesn´t show the FB/etc feed like in demos. Have to look more into this later.
The limited TOH contains an ambience (orange stripes, called The First One) and ring tones (haven´t looked into those yet).
The browser seems to be fast, although the scrolling could be a bit faster. No landscape mode yet, as is known. The options bar appears at the bottom of the screen when you scroll up a bit and you have to choose the tab bar to type in the url.

And oh, I almost forgot: I got Marc to sign my TOH (on the inside of course, so it won´t wear off). Apparently I was the first one, again, to get one signed by him (he had only signed one n900 previously). =D

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I can't give you a proper answer on that. Swype isn't just a piece of technology - it's a product (http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/products/swype/), and as such, would require us talking to Nuance (or vice versa) and coming to an agreement about how things should work.

Maybe Jolla could rekindle the Meego team's relationship with Swype ;-)

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Us it possible to change what happen with swipe left right with configuration only?

Possible to add more screens to the OS?

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I think the problem is a bit more elaborate. Mer caters for GPLv3 allergic vendors, but the assumption that all vendors are GPLv3 allergic is worng. Jolla isn't I presume. So, the proper way to do that would be to make two interchangeable subsets of packages within Mer (those won't be all Mer packages, just some which are affected by this issue). I.e. one set for GPLv3 allergic vendors, and other for GPLv3 tolerant. So these sets could be replaceable by installing some corresponding metapackage.

Do you think this can work out? Keeping some packages forever frozen in ancient versions for all users because of the GPLv2 nature sounds a bit weird to me.

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Do you mean when you swipe from lock/home screen or in general? No options at the moment at least.

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How'about Linphone? Someone could test it if it works and report.
https://f-droid.org/repository/brows...d=org.linphone

What would be useful (post whistle-blowing era), is an app to make encrypted video calls over ZRTP.
http://code.google.com/p/csipsimple/

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Yep, I'm aware of that.

Are we saying Jolla have not even started such discussions? Or are you saying Nuance wanted too much in licensing fees?

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I mean in general. Like an example pre-configured so you can swipe from left to right the browser is presented instead of current view. It's so lame to have same action both left and right. inefficient

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thanks for testing, i am little bit sad :(
my hope is realy that there will intigrate the features...Android/iOS Version of xabber and other apps cant do that, too.

... no swype :( ... bad!

hope there will send fast updates to intigrate all features.

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That would be a problem, unless Jolla will contribute to enabling ZRTP with Telepathy. See related bugs:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29904
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16891

Or may be Jolla can put it on top of their client only, which is probably a worse approach.

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Eh? 10char

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N900 sending contacts to Jolla over bluetooth worked for me with Settings:Connectivity:Transfer&sync tool.

I think developer mode activation took less than a minute after downloading the developer mode package.

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I was thinking the same at first but I think the virtual keyboard for native Jolla apps is better on Jolla than N9 so it is not so bad problem.

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From @JollaHQ answers I got the picture that they are not planning it. They didn't say it directly but that is how I understood it between the lines.

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I can't get apple time capsule wifi working. It uses wpa2-psk. Not my box so I cant test with diffrent settings. All I get is "valittuun verkkoon yhdistäminen epäonnistui"

Is there centralized bug reporting platform somewhere?

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The reason AFAIU is a bit more mundane than this.

Enabling developer mode requires a few bits and pieces, which require access to be set up: requires a Jolla account (the same as the store account / your order / etc) is set up on device.

So there's no specific "developer account" as such.

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@Jolla owners

We need your attention here for a short while please:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...72#post1389972

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Good to know, but if you have the resources, please implement your own...
Or give us the documentation to implement alternative input methods.

Android has a good implementation of a similar concept, which works better for me than the n9 swype.

Also, predictive text is not very effective if you switch language often, use shell commands or use abbreviations.

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I think it's time to have an official feedback channel, and while w00t is frigging awesome and has been the past couple of weeks. Somewhere the information is stored as an FAQ would make it much easier for users. Since it's still in beta, there's still a bit of leeway to change things people don't like

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Anyone who already get jPhone can give me installed packages?

This command download all packages installed on phone and store it on phone memory, so better do that with wifi connection.

Packages RPM's in /var/cache/zypp/packages/ and subdirectories, so i need this directory.
Can anyone upload archive of this directory on dropbox or googledrive or somewhere else?

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We use the Maliit open source project. From some quick searching, https://wiki.maliit.org/Plugin_Development_Quickstart may be useful.

Our terminal application does not have built-in support for the native keyboard, it implements it differently. So you won't have to worry about that part at least. I do understand that it's not ideal though.

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Great idea. I'd be happy to contribute to an FAQ. Do you want to take the initiative and get one started?

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As far as I know Swype is available for android in the form of yet another one third-party virtual keyboard. That is, it is just another one Android "application" (.apk).

Has anyone of Jolla users tried to install Android Swype on Jolla?

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Should the FAQ go here really? https://sailfishos.org/wiki/QA
Or it's Jolla release specific FAQ?
There is also this page: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish

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I didn't notice that there would be public transport layer. The very first GPS lock took maybe 1-3 minutes when I was walking. Hopefully it works faster in the future. There seems to be bug: after giving me written routing instructions maps app didn't draw me a map or routing graph any more, it was totally white with only here logo on the screen. It might have been transient problem. No zoom bar, you will have to use gestures (pinch, tap, double tap).

Seems to work at least in reading. I wrote one test message but I didn't receive it. Mail app was giving message: problem but didn't told me what the problem was. I think that I was using wrong configuration (authentication for outgoing mails) for sending the mails but it would have been nice to have proper error message to why it wasn't working. Mail was very easy to set up. You add account on Settings app. First you select the type (like Mail for Exchange, IMAP, Google, ...). Mail app is simple but functional.

Very few features and options on the UI. I would like to have little more features like Save page, Save image. Features that are there work. If your data connection is very slow (for example background download), the UI doesn't update to show what the browser is actually doing, so you might actually think that the app is not responding your requests and you might try again and again and wonder why app is not doing what you asked. Otherwise it has worked quite well. Many operations seem very fast after N900 and N9 but in some operations or in some pages it is not still match for desktop browsers in speed wise.

Calender app has also bug: on summary screen it shows wrong starting clock times for some of the meetings but when I click the details for the meetings the clock times are correct.

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This will not work. Its not just an app, it deeply integrates with os and in ACL will not work.

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I have understood that Swype is patented technology in USA and possibly in some other coutries so Jolla cannot implement their own without licenses from the patent holders.

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Sim Toolkit STK seems to be missing, or doesnt work with http://www.mobiilivarmenne.fi/en/

This also aplies to my workplace VPN

And I also just noticed that outlook calendar sync seems to strip the location of events. Or I have no idea where it is in the UI.