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meet.vino 2014-10-01 14:09
Re: Update 1.0.9.n this week?
 
I am a layman who bought a Jolla because I liked the idea of a few people standing up for what they believed to be a superior product. I know almost nothing about the technical things that are being discussed here. I come to this forum to check the status of the latest update that was supposed to have been released in September. I request all of those who have other important things to discuss such as Mediatek, SOC, Qualcomm, TI OMAP, etc. etc. to form a seperate thread and continue with their discussions/arguments. Hope I am not asking too much. Thank you.

zamorph 2014-10-01 15:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meet.vino (Post 1441385)
...bought a Jolla because I liked the idea of a few people standing up for what they believed to be a superior product.
Me too!

Quote:
Originally Posted by meet.vino (Post 1441385)
I come to this forum to check the status of the latest update that was supposed to have been released in September.

I also find it useful to check:

MrBlueSky 2014-10-01 18:16
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Just a quick question:
I did a "pkcon refresh/update" today and now version gives me "SailfishOS 1.1.0.26 (Uitukka) (armv7hl)".
Will this be a problem when the offical version is released through the Sailfish OS update "app"?

coderus 2014-10-01 19:07
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you need to use version --dup, not pkcon/zypper for upgrading os version

Dave999 2014-10-01 19:15
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Tomorrow is the day folks.

vistaus 2014-10-01 19:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1441435)
Tomorrow is the day folks.
Source for this???

Dave999 2014-10-01 19:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vistaus (Post 1441444)
Source for this???
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=127

javispedro 2014-10-01 20:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meet.vino (Post 1441385)
I am a layman who bought a Jolla because I liked the idea of a few people standing up for what they believed to be a superior product. I know almost nothing about the technical things that are being discussed here. I come to this forum to check the status of the latest update that was supposed to have been released in September. I request all of those who have other important things to discuss such as Mediatek, SOC, Qualcomm, TI OMAP, etc. etc. to form a seperate thread and continue with their discussions/arguments. Hope I am not asking too much. Thank you.
So if you want a thread specifically so that you can be pinged when the update comes in I think that you're approaching this the wrong way. This thread and all others that came before it are basically a collection of random ramblings, rumors and unfounded predictions since the very post #1. Has there been any "on topic" post at all? What would a on topic post look like? "no the update is not out yet" for every other minute?

These threads are at best described as random topic chat rooms and at worst as TMO's 9gag. Which is the reason I guess many sailors avoid them.

vistaus 2014-10-01 20:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1441446)
So no source... unless you work for Jolla, that is.

Jordi 2014-10-01 20:53
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I think Dave has a similar message for every day of the week, thus, he is always right!

Kake41 2014-10-02 04:42
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It would be nice if the release is today. But I'm sceptic and i think that they are not ready to release the update today.

cvp 2014-10-02 06:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cvp (Post 1440612)
do it like me! If Jolla promises an update in this month. Then count two weeks on it! And when the update comes sooner, your joy is the higher ;)
dont forget it.... ;)

nieldk 2014-10-02 06:56
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With all the patches rolling in for for example bash, I actually hope update is postponed for a few weeks to ensure latest patch level is employed for that.
Also, I would like to see connman actually supporting systemwide proxy support. After all, we get far more updates than most other vendors.
If you ask me, perhaps even a bit too much often.
Instead of full releases of complete system, I would like to see incremental updates to individual packages, for example batch, which could be distributed far more often.

pichlo 2014-10-02 07:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1441535)
With all the patches rolling in for for example bash, I actually hope update is postponed for a few weeks to ensure latest patch level is employed for that.
What's stoping them releasing without those patches now AND an additional release for those patches only a week or three later?

Quote:
Instead of full releases of complete system, I would like to see incremental updates to individual packages, for example batch, which could be distributed far more often.
There you go, you said it yourself.

nieldk 2014-10-02 07:41
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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1441538)
What's stoping them releasing without those patches now AND an additional release for those patches only a week or three later?



There you go, you said it yourself.
so this Stefano ;)

10 chars .....

strongm 2014-10-02 08:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1441535)
I actually hope update is postponed for a few weeks to ensure latest patch level is employed for that.
Actually, I'd prefer that they demonstrate that they now have a reliable infrastructure in place to distribute hot fixes and patches for things like this, without having to await a full OS update (as you yourself mention)

gaelic 2014-10-02 09:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1441535)
With all the patches rolling in for for example bash
Such security patches should be rolled out "immediately". As they are single security fixes and at the same time only minor patches testing should no longer take than hours to a few days. Even for Debian stable such fixes are in place after only after very short testing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1441535)
Instead of full releases of complete system, I would like to see incremental updates to individual packages, for example batch, which could be distributed far more often.
Agree on that. On my desktop I prefer rolling releases (eg archlinux) over standard 'single' releases.

bockersjv 2014-10-02 09:23
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As the OP I welcome the ramblings :)

benny1967 2014-10-02 09:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1441535)
Instead of full releases of complete system, I would like to see incremental updates to individual packages, for example batch, which could be distributed far more often.
Funny: We (this community) asked for incremental upates since the earliest days of the Nokia 770, and it never happened. (Except for a few, very few hotfixes over the years.)

Nokia used to tell us that we cannot just take our desktop expectations and transfer them 1:1 to a mobile device. I never quite understood or believed that. Funny thing is that this update strategy remained unchanged all the time and now continues with SailfishOS. I really start wondering if it was true all along... if there *is* anything special about mobile environments that makes it more difficult to distribute incremental updates. :)

gaelic 2014-10-02 10:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1441557)
Funny: We (this community) asked for incremental upates since the earliest days of the Nokia 770, and it never happened. (Except for a few, very few hotfixes over the years.)

Nokia used to tell us that we cannot just take our desktop expectations and transfer them 1:1 to a mobile device. I never quite understood or believed that. Funny thing is that this update strategy remained unchanged all the time and now continues with SailfishOS. I really start wondering if it was true all along... if there *is* anything special about mobile environments that makes it more difficult to distribute incremental updates. :)
I understand that the 'core' system should be as stable as possible. nevertheless it should be possible that some 'internal applications' are updated as the applications available through jollastore. This means for example updates for the mail application + new features incl. sync profiles etc.

eekkelund 2014-10-02 10:12
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Younited by F-secure hit the Jolla store. And it is indeed android app..

minimos 2014-10-02 10:16
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By the way, there is an update on the TJC entry about Uitukka update:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...orner-hold-on/

Quote:
Update on 30.9: We are at our 10th release candidate right now (internally) and still see some sharp edges. We need a bit more time to smoothen them out. In addition to stabilizing update 9, we are also testing the fixes to the security vulnerabilities (CVE-2014-7169, CVE-2014-6271 and CVE-2014-1568) and preparing to release them first if need be. Apologies for the long wait.
From that I'd gather that:
- update is not really "around the corner" (anymore)
- they seem to have a plan B to release only the security patches should the update take much longer

aegis 2014-10-02 10:21
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It would be disappointing if an update to bash is holding up a release.

Surely something so self contained could be done via a store update or 'pkcon update bash' ?

Jeffrey04 2014-10-02 10:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1441560)
By the way, there is an update on the TJC entry about Uitukka update:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...orner-hold-on/



From that I'd gather that:
- update is not really "around the corner" (anymore)
- they seem to have a plan B to release only the security patches should the update take much longer
there are potentially 3 releases mentioned in the short paragraph.
  1. Update 9 that is currently stabilizing
  2. Update 10 (sharp edges)
  3. (possibly) hotfix for #shell_shock if Update 9 is not done soon enough

stabilizing can mean a lot of things basically lol, but it probably means it is feature-frozen and only pending for some bug-fixes.

benny1967 2014-10-02 10:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffrey04 (Post 1441563)
[*]Update 10 (sharp edges)
I'd assume that the sharp edges were about update 9.

bockersjv 2014-10-02 10:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eekkelund (Post 1441559)
Younited by F-secure hit the Jolla store. And it is indeed android app..
So poor. Arguably the first commercial company to comit to Jolla (excluding here) and they bottle it. Can't think what has taken so long to produce an app they had years ago ?

If we can't get native apps then Jolla becomes a very flash front end for Android in essence. Very very dissapointing.

vistaus 2014-10-02 10:39
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I agree about incremental updates. But if you want the Bash patches, why wait? Just fire up Warehouse and update the Bash package as provided there. That way you're fixed.

pagis 2014-10-02 10:52
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disappointing indeed

Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1441566)
So poor. Arguably the first commercial company to comit to Jolla (excluding here) and they bottle it. Can't think what has taken so long to produce an app they had years ago ?

If we can't get native apps then Jolla becomes a very flash front end for Android in essence. Very very dissapointing.

andreas1 2014-10-02 13:35
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from repair service: "software upgraded"

nieldk 2014-10-02 14:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andreas1 (Post 1441573)
from repair service: "software upgraded"
version?

10 chars

bluefoot 2014-10-02 15:05
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I'll be pleasantly surprised if we get it before the end of next week.

I was hoping, as were a few others, that either update 1.1 or the anniversary update would be a big one which really improved some of the core features and UX ... but now that they've missed the early September update by a whole month, I'm guessing this is pretty unlikely :(

andreas1 2014-10-02 15:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1441575)
version?

10 chars
Dunno yet, was the latest Tahkalampi 1.0.8.19 before taking it to repair service.

aegis 2014-10-02 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vistaus (Post 1441567)
I agree about incremental updates. But if you want the Bash patches, why wait? Just fire up Warehouse and update the Bash package as provided there. That way you're fixed.
Because it's neildk's patch not Jolla's.

No offence intended to neildk but security patches should come from the OS developer not some random person who we don't know on a repo that's open to just anybody with no QA.

Leinad 2014-10-02 16:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1441594)
Because it's neildk's patch not Jolla's.

No offence intended to neildk but security patches should come from the OS developer not some random person who we don't know on a repo that's open to just anybody with no QA.
well, that is Aegis as we know it :)
(no offence, got your point)

Dave999 2014-10-02 16:59
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Say what?
http://jolla.com/updates/

How long vacation do they have at jolla ? ;)

"
Next update in September

After putting out seven software updates, we’ll be taking a short well-deserved break in July. Look out for the next update in early September.
Cheers,
Jolla Team
"

aegis 2014-10-02 17:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1441597)
well, that is Aegis as we know it :)
(no offence, got your point)
Unfortunately I've had this company name since 2003, before Nokia inflicted it on the N9. :p

benny1967 2014-10-02 18:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bluefoot (Post 1441578)
I'll be pleasantly surprised if we get it before the end of next week.

I was hoping, as were a few others, that either update 1.1 or the anniversary update would be a big one which really improved some of the core features and UX ... but now that they've missed the early September update by a whole month, I'm guessing this is pretty unlikely :(
I'd lower my expectations. They said weeks ago that Update 9 (or 1.1.x, as far as I know) will, among other things, upgrade the Qt version to 5.2. This may not bring a ton of new features, but it's a huge task for Jolla. Also, I remember someone from Jolla saying that even the following update (10) will probably be more bugfixing (bugs from 9) than anything else, because update 9 is so ambitious that they just expect bugs to appear once it's out on users' devices.

I don't know when we'll get an OS update full of new features, but I'd assume it won't be 9 or 10.

(Update 9 should enable a few things in the app world, though. At least that was the plan at some point.)

mariusmssj 2014-10-02 18:51
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Looking at the Jolla store people aren't impressed with younited android app.

I was expecting it to be build into the system with this new update :(

vistaus 2014-10-02 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1441594)
Because it's neildk's patch not Jolla's.

No offence intended to neildk but security patches should come from the OS developer not some random person who we don't know on a repo that's open to just anybody with no QA.
And I fully agree with that. But my point was clear, I hope? I only said something about upgrading Bash using Warehouse, not who should deliver that update in the first place. Either you do something with my advice if you're concerned about Bash or not, your choice. It was nothing more than advice.

vistaus 2014-10-02 19:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1441617)
Looking at the Jolla store people aren't impressed with younited android app.

I was expecting it to be build into the system with this new update :(
As long as they give us the option to remove it (unlike the Tutorial app). I don't want Younited, I use OneDrive and am very happy with that.


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