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"The campaign needed also much more other preparation. The campaign platform was selected in the very beginning from two global options: Indiegogo and Kickstarter. “Kickstarter campaigns need to be run from the United States and we have presence in Europe and Asia."

Shame for me, I have a kickstarter account and would simply have dropped the cash on a jolla tablet had the campaign been there.

As it was, i followed the campaign intently, constantly checking progress... and didn't end up backing it.

I might well pick one up in future...

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I've gotta ask, is there some significant advantage to having an account on Kickstarter? Or, does having an account there prevent you from using anyone else's service? (I don't have an account on either Kickstarter or Indiegogo, so it's not obvious to me why you'd ignore a campaign on one service simply because you're on another...)

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Yeah, because, you know, there's no account needed to contribute to a campaign on Indiegogo... :rolleyes:

Or is it in the conditions of having Kickstarter account, that if you contribute elsewhere, they will terminate it?


:)

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chaps, what it boils down to was the fact i don't need a tablet.

but, the fact that i have a kickstarter account - and can pay via my amazon account - meant that i probably would have dropped £200 on what would have been an impulse purchase. £200 is the absolute limit for me for an impulse tech purchase, but for jolla I likely would have done it.

the inconvenience of using indiegogo was enough for me to reconsider the impulse.

no need to blow it out of proportion, i'm not shitting on jolla for their decision, merely expressing regret that i missed the crowd-funding boat.

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I was thinking about the multitasking view on Jolla. Currently there are the app covers (that can have different kinds of functionality) with fixed size available and there is also promised to be the split screen feature for two running apps.

What I would really like to see would be that the app covers could have diffent sizes. For example videoplayer could have a small app cover (just to keep it running in the background and have video controls available in the cover) or other larger app cover (taking for example space of four smaller app covers) so that you could really watch the video in the multitasking view.

Any thoughts?

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Hell yeah. Multi-size overlapping windows have been around since at least 1981 (running on only 384 kB RAM too!).

A proper desktop UI is quite usable even on a 7", 800x480 display (I've tried). Easy Debian on Maemo shows that it is just about usable even on a 3.5" displays of the same resolution. There is really no reason for tablets to push the one-app-full-screen nonsense. Not even on 7.85", 2048x1536 screens.

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Hmm. There's a technique out there for running custom-sized miniaturized apps with customized user interfaces on mobile devices. In fact, it's already been well established in GUIs like Android or Maemo -- the widget. :)

I doubt Jolla would want to complicate their multitasking view with true widget-like functionality; it'd make managing the view a whole lot harder. (I'm not sure I'm happy with how complex their multitasking view is already.)

One concept I would _love_ to see on mobile devices is something that Apple added to Mac OS X years ago, and nobody else really picked up -- the Dashboard. In essence, the Dashboard is a separate window dedicated to holding widgets. Rather than always sitting behind all the other windows, when you bring up the dashboard, the widgets are placed _on top_ of all the other windows; and when you're done looking at them, the entire dashboard is hidden away again. I think something like this would fit more neatly into the existing Sailfish UI.

In fact, I really should check TJC and maybe add this as a feature request. :)

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Heck, I remember using one of the original Macs. :) Memory: 128K. Resolution: 512x342. Color palette: Monochrome. Overlapping, resizable windows worked just fine. :)

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Luxury! When I was a developer back in the day I wrote a WIMP interface on't BBC Micro in less than 32K.

Seriously though, I would utterly detest overlapping windows in the multitasking view. Jolla could do some kind of masonry grid of blocks which is a well used design pattern on the web though. It might look a tad too familiar to Windows.

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I still have one*


* well, it's an SE/30 with 80MB RAM but the screen is still the same.

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On my Galaxy Pro Tab 8.4 I can make floating resizable windows. But I don't like the way they minimize. My preference would be that minimizing a window puts a marker in notifications so that when you pull it down you can bring the window back up. Ideally if you were, say playing a video or streaming on youtube you would continue to hear the music when the app is minimized. That works for certain apps but not all. Looking forward to seeing what Jolla does.

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Overlapping resizable windows would render the multitasking view pointless.
That was the whole point.

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I do not see why. The multitasking view is just the equivalent of the task switcher on a desktop, with the additional ability to use a couple of shortcuts.
They would still be useful, even in case you could have multiple visible windows. And the fact that you can have mutiple overlapping windows does not mean you only have to use them; Most of the time, on a desktop computer, I am looking at a maximized window anyway.

The problem of resizable windows, is that it would be hard to interact with them on a touch screen without wasting a lot of space, but a tiling window manager would be nice.

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One thing is good for desktop is not so good for tablets and other touch devices

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Small-screen touch devices (maybe around < 7" is the limit) require a different paradigm from a traditional computer desktop, but on sizes up from that I certainly would like to have a proper desktop with multiple freely-scalable-freely-positionable applications.

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It's hard for me to say where the exact cut off should be. I'm Ok with resizable windows on my Galaxy Note which is 5.7". Sometimes I make a few windows that are just a little smaller then the acutal screen size and then If they are offset a little I can tap the exposed area of the largely covered window to bring it to the front. At times useful when cutting and pasting for example. Also with HDMI can output to larger screen, which can come in handy. When using easy Debian on my N900 I might open a few windows and then that wonderful stylus helps to get around. But, as I have aged, my eyes are too weak for reading microscopic text anymore...

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Unless I really need to show two things side by side, I always maximise everything, and this on a laptop with twice the screen size of the tablet. Most applications are optimised to make use of horizontal and not vertical screen space, so putting them next to one another usually doesn't give very good results, and putting two long strips of horizontal application above one another doesn't really work either. As to overlapping: what's the point in being able to see one unmaximised application and then one or more applications below it that you can only half see?

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On my Sony z3 compact tablet, they've added 'Small apps' which are small floating widgets you can push about the screen such as a calculator or postit. Essentially they're the same idea as Desktop Accessories from the first Mac. They're surprisingly handy.

I'd love to see that kind of thing come to Sailfish. Full desktop style windows... No. If anyone has used an early Mac with a 9" screen you'll realise why everyone used to install Windowshade, run everything fullscreen and make extensive use of task switchers and the app menu. For similar reasons and more I think tablets are best used full screen.

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Drag and dropping something (usually an icon representing a file) from one screen (say an open email message) to another screen.

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As a tablet backer yesterday I received a 'Jolla Tablet User Experience Questionnaire': a few questions Jolla asks about what how you use a tablet and what you would like to see in Jolla Tablet.
Not sure if they spammed^Wmailed everybody at once, but if you are backer and you don't find it, check also your spam folder.

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I also got it yesturday and answered just moment ago!

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You could do that without overlapping windows. Eg. Pick up the object, drag it to a screen edge so the multitasking view is being peeked and then subsequently shown, hover over the app and drop the object on the cover or if you hover long enough it could spring open the app so you can drop the object directly into the now full screen app.

That's how desktop Mac OSX handles drag and drop today onto multiple virtual desktops, screens and minimised apps.

I'm not saying Jolla should do that; just saying a windowed environment isn't a prerequisite.

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What's a task switcher on a desktop?

Funny. Unless the application has a screen with a lot of panes, such various IDEs, I never maximise anything, and that is on my old laptop with a 1024x768 screen. I find it a terrible waste of space. I stretch the windows to just the right size to fit the content comfortably.

In fact, I have just tried maximising the browser displaying this very TMO page. Bleeeeaargh!

Anyway, resizable windows give you the option. You can use it if you wish or not if you are so masochistic and want to limit yourself to full-screen only. But not even having the option is like going back 30 years.

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Good points and discussion, thanks.

I personally do not think that freely resizeable and even overlapping "windows" would be needed or that they would be the most effecient way to use screen space on tablet.

However, I would like to see a bit more freedom in the way how the app covers are handled today at Jolla. Like giving app developers possibility to create different size app covers (for example three different sizes available 1*1, 2*1, 2*2) so that the user could for example for a moment make the video window larger or expand the weather app to show weather forecast for a couple more days without the need to go to fullscreen.

And if there would be a possibility to fix certain app covers to a certain place in the multitasking "table" it would be easy to create app covers that could act as widgets.

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Whatever you use to switch windows. I usually use Alt-Tab, but, e.g. in KDE you can go to a desktop corner and see smaller versions of your windows (updated in real time) and select the one to bring to the front.

I am in the maximize everything camp myself, by the way. There may be applications for which full screen is not needed, but I am not using many of them. A chat window is all I can think of at the moment. Otherwise, my desktop tends to have a console window, with a few tabs open, a browser with a few tabs, and any application I am using, maximized. But applications I may be using are typically Qt creator, Inkscape or Krita.

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You don't need the windows to overlap for that, just put them side by side.

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Any news about 3G yet?

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The IndieGoGo campaign just restarted:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/j...blet/x/4049054

Nothing about 3G support, but an option for a larger internal flash drive. I am quite tempted...

[edit: added link]

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now with 64GB Memory for 249$

Upgrade from early 32gb to 64gb cost 25$

i dont know if its a good deal. 64gb microsd card cost only 25-30€

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This things gonna end up costing more than an ipad:))

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Well, you are right, but most vendors ask for much more for built-in flash.
Furthermore, lager flash drives tend to be also faster, although it is not a firm rule.

I think I will end up getting the perk, and adding an extra 64Gb flash as well.

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They're not providing exFAT out of the box, plus the battery size has been bumped up a bit:

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i mean, its better if i have all data external on a microsd card. If the tablet or phone is broken, i will loose all my data (pictures, videos.....). This is why i think if i will upgrade my from 32gb to 64gb or i spend this money for a external 64GB for 25€ and get on the end 32+64gb space :)

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Not happy at all about the lack of Windows support for larger cards after watching how that whole debate unfolded here.

Also, I wonder what 'directly compatible' means. If they can be indirectly compatible somehow without much effort than I'm fine with it.

I'd rather have something useful than "safe".

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It is compatible out of the box until 32 GB Flash memory.
And you can make it compatible formatting the bigger SD-Card with Fat32.
Only limitations: You can't do that with windows, but you can use a live-CD for that. And files bigger than 4GB are not supported.

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Drekkie, it is difficult to provide all satisfied.
Many thought it was not good to get a license in MS.
Then came the arguments that it was no longer safe and no "open source" device is.

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It is proably not even completely true. You will probably still format with FAT fs and access the card from windows and the tablet if you need. And for smaller sd cards, there is no issue at all.

Smaller cards are what I generally use as "floppy replacement" anyway.

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I guess you can still use FAT32 for <=64GB SDCards, thus using it with Windows should still work.

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I think you can use FAT32 for larger cards as well, although Windows will not format without some extra tool. You forfeit large file support in this case, but it is a possible tradeoff.