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:Julia ;):rolleyes::p:D

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I can pronounce SailfishOS and Jolla with no problems.

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Ёлла! Looks easy for a Russian speaker.

But how do you pronounce Harmattan? ;)

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Czech here: No problems pronouncing Jolla, SailfishOS, Harmattan or Uitukka correctly ;)

In other news, Jolla Blog just launched: http://blog.jolla.com.
So you can entertain yourselves while awaiting the update.

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Double letter in any Finnish word or name seem to be difficult for foreigners :)

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What ever this mean :/
Hit this

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I'm starting to believe stefano is a bit drunk/high when doing his twits...

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That's called "wise words" :D

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maybe his account was hacked by Jaden Smith :D

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"you not going to get any update, but be happy what you have" ;) ?

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I am not happy with wat I have, no reliable whatsapp-experiance for instance since I don't use mitakuulu anymore!
Afraid of the banning-issue!
I love sailfish and jolla but I went back to my old lumia so I can get notifications at least!
Please jolla!
Fix this!

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Pretty sure most issues with Android apps have to do with aliendalvik, meaning Jolla can't do anything about it themselves. Although, they really could and should enable Android notifications to be viewable on the lock screen at least, because only having them show up in the Events view is ****.

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Surely that's up to Whatsapp to fix, not Jolla?

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small sinking dinghy= jolla sailfish,totally CRAP

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It's up to them to create better conditions that devs should make more apps, to work with big companies to port their apps or optimize android apps.
How come anything sailfishos related that is not their fault but always up to somebody else? No opensource? Up to 3rd parties! Android apps not working? Up to dalvik! Problems with network? Up to qualcom(what chip they use)! No batteries? Up to shipping rules! Shipping delays(first phones)? Up to holidays!
Name any problem and it seems like it's not their fault, but guess what, it's their product, they should think things thru.

P.S. I liked how they talk about importance of transparency and how tablet will be made together in their latest blog post and still no answer to https://together.jolla.com/question/...pen-source-os/
I call it cheap PR and hypocrisy :)

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Those are words you try to say to your kids when they are compiling their Xmas wishlist :p

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Oh thats well argued, how haven't I realized this before O.o

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It's also useful trying to apply them to yourself.

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Time for you to jump overboard and swim to a bigger ship.
We will miss you.
Not.

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no update today? I was almost 100% sure this day was the day of days. But its obviously not. I think we need some more buzz words for stefanos blog posts and twits.

why care what comes tomorrow. Enjoy what you have today

dont miss what you dont have. Miss the things you have but don't use.

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Today would be a good day, exactly 1 year ago, i was unpacking my freshly arrived Jolla :)
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...23#post1397423

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Well, all opinions are/should be valid without a hazzle. Crappy product indeed but since OS has so much potential, gotta stick by.
Until the potential is reached, some whining is needed :)

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Could not disagree more with roppolas ideas. Fundamentally, one shouldnt force user to think that one limited way is the right-one. uh, lame.

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Who forced anybody?

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And you know 100% that they've not been contacting major app developers to get them to port their apps?

In this case it is. Whatsapp don't like 3rd party apps so it's absolutely in their domain, not Jolla or anyone else.

From my point of view I'm totally happy there's no Whatsapp as I really don't think proprietary IM clients are a good thing. I can't see how you can be clamouring for open source on one hand and a closed protocol owned by Facebook on the other. Calling Jolla hypocritical sounds very hollow.

Blatantly untrue. They use huge amounts of open source and push it upstream. If you mean 100% open source then you have a point, but a totally unreasonable one. Nobody does 100% open source and Jolla aren't claiming 100%.


Does that mean they aren't asking Myriad to fix? I suspect they have regular discussions with them.

Never had a problem so I've no idea what you mean.

Agreed there though I did get a spare battery. ;-)

The phrase 'and I want a pony' comes to mind. Sorry but not everything works the way you demand it to be.

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well, sometime changes need to be forced otherwise changes will never happen! (take for example the vga port, there are still lots of ppl want it back)

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Well, if counted as code under your control (so not hardware, microcode, firmware, closed drivers), there definitely are 100% open source solutions, even in the mobile space (Firefox OS). They might not be mainstream (yet ? ;-) ) but they are there. And of course in the desktop and server space, 100% open source is basically becoming the norm, at least as far as Linux distributions go.

BTW, I don't really think anyone is blaming Jolla for closed components outside of their control (hardware, drivers, android emulation, third party code), but people understandably don't like that there are many closed system components that are under Jollas...

I think this is hurting Jolla in the long term, as there are tons of feature requests for many of those closed components. As past performance indicates, the limited development resources Jolla has can't possible handle a significant part of these feature requests any time soon and the community is blocked from helping by the components being closed source.

Of course you can never be sure beforehand if you will actually get any contributions when you open source something, but you can be sure you won't get any if you keep it closed. :)

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Amen.

These are my thoughts each time someone trolls about Skype and WhatsApp missing. :)

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On the other hand, opening the source completely and inviting the community to contribute would render Jolla the company obsolete. They need some kind of "job security" ;)

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who: Jolla
anybody:Users

;)

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Andro Wadap itself works perfectly but Jolla makes the UX not so good by
- not allowing the notifications on lockscreen
- not integrating the notifications to the system-wide "alarm"-system
- making it work so that app has to be open in a window all-the-time, not in the background fully -> thus you are online, but this is not the way intended.

Just to name few. If those wouldnt be accurate, my apologies, anyway thats how i remember.

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Given that Mer, the OS Sailfish is based on, is 100% open source, where are the contributions from the whining community?

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I don't think that's an entirely fair comment to make.

For one, there have been plenty of contributions along the way (look at the work the guys at Ispirata did to update a lot of packages, get gcc4.8 in shape, etc).

For another, the developer story for contributing changes to any of this stuff is way too convoluted (source spread over several locations, good luck finding which one to use, and how to build it, etc), and documentation is basically nonexistent outside of the heads of the people who have been working on it for a long time. Plus a few pieces (like SFOS platform SDK images) are internal only, which are kind of annoying.

I'd really like to see some focus on making 'getting started' on platform hacking a lot easier and more accessible.

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Hey woot welcome back. Do you care to explain how these memory issues are related to upgrade of Qt version?

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Well, not really - there are already quite many open source companies and they are doing just fine. The modus operandi is very different from a normal proprietary one but it is doable. :)

Having the full source code open does not make the primary author/contributor obsolete - they still have the trademarks, the needed infrastructure and the most know-how about the code. So they can much more easily do any modifications, add features and fix issues. Also the can set or very strongly influence the overall direction of the project.

So if wanted to fork the whole thing yourself, you would mostly need to invest a substantial amount of money to replicate the same capabilities the main contributor, invest more resources to keep your fork in sync with the main project and to keep any of your local modifications working. And on top of that you won't even be able to market the thing under the original known name.

So it is usually much easier (and cheaper) to cooperate in the frame of the original project - either to contribute the changes you need or pay for them to the original author, as they have the know-how to implement them for you in a reasonable time-frame. Or to pay for using the trademark, hardware adaptation, guaranteed support timeline and generally to assure that the project you are using will be there in the future.

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Getting started on platform hacking - but also on all kinds of contributions to the whole system... As a wise man once described here:

https://together.jolla.com/question/...#post-id-68154

:)

Still my personal impression is (and I'd love to be corrected) that constructive input other that "feature request" here and "doesn't work sometimes" there is rare. Yes, it's difficult to get started, and it would be absurd to expect all of those who demand changes to actually contribute on a code level. But are there any users who contribute at all? Is there any benefit from having even parts of the code open?

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All i can say that there are more apps at openrepos than in original store, so it's not lack of willing to develop devs, but not best opportunity/rules?
As well as contacting is one thing, helping and getting indie devs is other.

Truely i was not talking about whatsapp specifically, i was talking about optimization, and with all my thoughts on Jolla, actually they did a great job on optimization, as android apps work better than on blackberry (at least for me), but the point is if something is not good, people point fingers on anything but not at Jolla.
it's good to be fan, but not to follow blindly and think sometimes.

They do use opensource and surely they push back to what they use(need). Same way as even Nvidia/MS or other company using Open source does.
They opened few things and i don't mind if even they do not open anything else, what bother me is they keep telling that they opensource and opensource friendly. All they need to opensource what was promised, to not talk about opensource if they do not open it. And if they ant to be open source friendly, they can start even with simple road map and public bug tracker (yeah we heard of soon for a year now)


A lot of people did, i barely use Jolla (only for candy crash) so all i had is few reboots and sim cards disconnects when i tried phone (that's why i barely use it first place :P ).
But you can read posts on TJC to understand it's not me just imaginanig things.

The problem that it takes a lot of noise and whinning and fights till something done.


I'll repeat myself:
The problem is that if there is something not good happening around Jolla, while TMO will bash apple/android/NAME_IT_ company if same will happen to them, but with Jolla people point fingers on anything but not at Jolla itself.
It's good to be fan, but not to follow blindly and people should look around and think sometimes.

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Yes, however they are not doing it in consumer market but in enterprise. Their way of selling support (in way which is sometimes hard to extinguish from standard licensing fees) suits that world but it's pretty hard to do it in consumer space and mobile.

Company with very limited resources can easily be rendered obsolete by stronger parties who can basically take the project and ship products with enhanced closed source software bundled in. That's exactly what Google is doing with Android, now that it has become the "gold standard", more and more of their contribution is directed towards closed source parts which have significantly more features than their open source counterparts. It's very hard to see how company like Jolla could go fully Open Source and remain financially solvent.

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Tizen is OSS
One Plus One uses opensource cynamogen

So again, if you go android way, what's your difference between android and why we'll need one more andoird?
Btw android has more open source AFAIk and there are fully opensource android flavours :)

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oh boy, it's that time of the month again, woodworks and under bridges so empty right now